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5.8 swap.... Have I got in over my head?

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5.8 swap.... Have I got in over my head?

I've got a 93 ext. cab with a 3.0 and 35s... As anyone with a3.0 knows.. Not a good combo 5th is useless.. Well my boss totaled one of our duallys. It's a97 f350 with a 5.8 and auto. He give me the truck so I got to thinking everyone puts 5.0s in rangers can't be that different or can it? My problem so far is trans issues.. I hate automatics and want it to stay 5 spd. Will I have to change computers with the donor being auto? And what is a good 5 spd for this project?
 
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Originally Posted by Borncountry
I've got a 93 ext. cab with a 3.0 and 35s... As anyone with a3.0 knows.. Not a good combo 5th is useless.. Well my boss totaled one of our duallys. It's a97 f350 with a 5.8 and auto. He give me the truck so I got to thinking everyone puts 5.0s in rangers can't be that different or can it? My problem so far is trans issues.. I hate automatics and want it to stay 5 spd. Will I have to change computers with the donor being auto? And what is a good 5 spd for this project?
You won't have to change computers, But off the top of my head, I can't even think of a good tranny from those years period. you might just want to stick with the automatic.
 
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Your gonna have to do a lot of fab work to make it fit. I think your in over your head. I wouldn't get my hopes up
 
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your truck is on 35's so i'm assuming it's a 4x4... you can use a tranny from a 4x4 f150, 302 or 351 i think they are the same bell housings... you could need to tune the auto functions out of the computer though because the vehicle will idle and drive weird without removing the computer related auto functions out of it.
 
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find a small block zf5 if you want a 5 speed. But good luck making that pig fit under a ranger. Its tight in an F series truck. You can run a 5 speed on an auto computer all day long so long as you keep the shifter range switch plugged in and set in neutral. It works perfectly with those year trucks. As for making it fit there is no difference between a truck 5.0 and truck 5.8. But they use a rather tall intake plenum that will cause issues. If you are serious about this I actually have a set of motor mounts for this swap. 93-97 ranger 351w motor from james duff id sell ya
 
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Provided that he even got it in there , would a Ranger frame even stand up to that amount of torque?
 
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Oh yeah it would be fine. 5.8 isnt much of a motor as far as that goes. They are dogs really but will slightly out pull a 5.0
 
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Yeah a 351 would be sweet. Especially when it's free and you have nothing else to do with it.

If you were buying a motor I'd say stick with a 302.
 
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The more I look at it the more I realize its the same as a 302. But I dont think that high rise intake plenum they have will clear a ranger hood. may have to find an expo one cause I think they are the same but I could be wrong. I know the wiring is the same between the two motors
 
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My bad... It's 2 wd with 4" suspension 3" body... From what I've read the body lift helps with the swap... I also have a 3" cowl induction hood so I'm not too worried about clearance.... I just not sure bout the trans....
 
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You should have plenty of clearance with the body lift and the cowl. As far as the trans, I'm not sure.
 
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what you asking for them?
 
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if you have a body you should be fine, Although a 2 wheel zf5 may be a tough one to come by as they were mostly 4x4. a 5 speed out of an f150 will work as they are small blocks. M5OD iirc.

If you are pertaining to me about the motor mounts, I will shoot you a PM

EDIT: scratch that, mine are for a 4x4 truck, they will not work on a 2 wheel drive
 
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There are lots of trans options. M5ODR2, ZF5, T-5, T-18. Whatever. You just need to find a 2WD one.
 
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find a zf5 if you want big heavy and bulletproof. an m5odr2 is easier to find and decently tough. t-5 is awesome for a mustang......but pricey. And a t-18 lol really? rock box
 
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If I even do a 5.0 swap I'm probably gonna go R2 and a BW4406 or an NP205.
 
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On a project like that if you have to ask if you are in over your head then you are.
 
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Do you have the ability to get the engine out of the truck? Being a rather old used work engine it will need freshened up im sure. So are these things in your range of ability?

If these sounds like hurtles than fabbing your own steering and source exhuast headers/manifolds my just kill you for a while as those are the biggest issues.
 
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You don't have to get a 2wd tranny. Personally I'd do the 4wd with the xcase. 2 lo can be handy, and eventually one day you have the option to sas without pulling the tranny and have 4wd.
 
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^^ he has a good point. Along with the idea its a manual T case so its not anymore wiring or anything. Minus the two wire lead for 4x4 indicators (you could do something pretty cool and custom there).
 
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Yeah, x2 on the manual tcase.
 
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To the OP if you are serious about this then do a MAF conversion while you are at it. better fuel mileage as well as the potential to add power later on
 
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Zf is the way to go. You may have to run manifolds due to the taller deck height of the 351w. Depending on where your speed sensor is on the donor vehicle you may throw a code.
 
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It will be a tight fit, the 351 is a inch taller and a couple inches wider, but with a body lift it might free up enough space. Another note, I know the 351 is free but, a stroked out 8.2 deck motor will out perform a stock stroke 351 any day. If you can, find out the difference in lengths between the manual trannys. If it were me, I would just find a T-5, they are a dime a dozen and would easily handle the power of a stock 351.
 
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Originally Posted by Borncountry
I've got a 93 ext. cab with a 3.0 and 35s... As anyone with a3.0 knows.. Not a good combo 5th is useless.. Well my boss totaled one of our duallys. It's a97 f350 with a 5.8 and auto. He give me the truck so I got to thinking everyone puts 5.0s in rangers can't be that different or can it? My problem so far is trans issues.. I hate automatics and want it to stay 5 spd. Will I have to change computers with the donor being auto? And what is a good 5 spd for this project?

it is different....especially with the g 1-3 as the airbox for the hvac is a bit more crowded, but pretty easy to do all in all. the trans is an e4 and a monster. i would suggest a mild aod with a lentech vb.

the m50d from the 97 up v6 150 would be ideal with a manual 4406.

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To the OP if you are serious about this then do a MAF conversion while you are at it. better fuel mileage as well as the potential to add power later on
quite possible it has maf already.



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It will be a tight fit, the 351 is a inch taller and a couple inches wider, but with a body lift it might free up enough space. Another note, I know the 351 is free but, a stroked out 8.2 deck motor will out perform a stock stroke 351 any day. If you can, find out the difference in lengths between the manual trannys. If it were me, I would just find a T-5, they are a dime a dozen and would easily handle the power of a stock 351.

with a big tire lifted truck....starting with a good running roller efi 351....which may be already maf equipped and is obd2 tunable.....

how the hell would one justify a stroker 302 for a driver.

no way. big tires/lift demand a 351.....stroke it for near the same costs. invest in a moates 1/4 horse type setup and have fun.

302 for low 2wd track/street machines.
 


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