explorer swap 98-01 swap
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I have to vent for a minute here. Does anyone else find it very fustraiting to find any good information? Seems like every site I go to has mixed information on it. I realize that there has only been a hand full of people that have done it but it's still fustraiting. I plan on doing one beginning of summer and will be in the meantime looking for evreything I need.
A few questions that I have been confused about. I realize not alot of people know about it at this site so therefore none of yal need to answers just part of my venting fustration.
Do you need to get a new drive shaft, or cut your excisiting one?
Why do people play it off like it's such a plug and play thing?
Do you need to use the explorer mounts or regular ranger ones?
These are for 99 and up rangers and torsion bar (or edge) setup. Forwhich ever people claim that it is plug and tow and yur done basically.
A few questions that I have been confused about. I realize not alot of people know about it at this site so therefore none of yal need to answers just part of my venting fustration.
Do you need to get a new drive shaft, or cut your excisiting one?
Why do people play it off like it's such a plug and play thing?
Do you need to use the explorer mounts or regular ranger ones?
These are for 99 and up rangers and torsion bar (or edge) setup. Forwhich ever people claim that it is plug and tow and yur done basically.
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09-19-2005
Originally Posted by GregsEdge
1) Do you need to get a new drive shaft, or cut your excisiting one?
2) Why do people play it off like it's such a plug and play thing?
3) Do you need to use the explorer mounts or regular ranger ones?
4)These are for 99 and up rangers and torsion bar (or edge) setup. Forwhich ever people claim that it is plug and tow and yur done basically.
2) its not
3) not totaly sure would have to ask BOB to pull the build stuff off ford I dont have clearness at home to do it
4)its not, nothing going from 2 different vehicals will be
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Bob, thanks for the props. I am just getting my feet wet with this board, so I will visit a little more often.
I can attest that the 98+ torsion bar ranger V8 swap with explorer components is indeed a plug and play swap. If you have a wrecked explorer V8 and a torsion bar ranger (and you use the explorer auto trans), you have every part you need except exhaust aft of the cats. All Explorer parts are direct swap over.
Explorer parts used:
1) Fully dressed engine assembly
2) Auto trans (4R70W)
3) AWD transfer case if 4x4
4) Explorer front drive shaft if 4x4
5) Explorer drive flange and ranger rear drive shaft
6) Explorer engine mounts / plates
7) Explorer manifolds / CAT pipes / sensors
8) Explorer radiator / hoses
9) Explorer P/S hose
10) Explorer Fan / Shroud
11) Ranger A/C condenser is fine / Explorer hoses
12) Explorer Throttle, cruise, shifter cables
13) Explorer engine and battery wire harnesses
14) Explorer EEC
15) Explorer Zip Tube, MAF, Airbox
16) Other minor parts I am forgetting.
I did this swap in 3 weeks (weekends), even with ordering parts I needed. I started with a rolling explorer chassis / engine, so I needed EEC, radiator, hoses, fan shroud, airbox, etc.. If you can replace an engine with a like engine, you can perform this engine swap. Very straight forward.
I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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I can attest that the 98+ torsion bar ranger V8 swap with explorer components is indeed a plug and play swap. If you have a wrecked explorer V8 and a torsion bar ranger (and you use the explorer auto trans), you have every part you need except exhaust aft of the cats. All Explorer parts are direct swap over.
Explorer parts used:
1) Fully dressed engine assembly
2) Auto trans (4R70W)
3) AWD transfer case if 4x4
4) Explorer front drive shaft if 4x4
5) Explorer drive flange and ranger rear drive shaft
6) Explorer engine mounts / plates
7) Explorer manifolds / CAT pipes / sensors
8) Explorer radiator / hoses
9) Explorer P/S hose
10) Explorer Fan / Shroud
11) Ranger A/C condenser is fine / Explorer hoses
12) Explorer Throttle, cruise, shifter cables
13) Explorer engine and battery wire harnesses
14) Explorer EEC
15) Explorer Zip Tube, MAF, Airbox
16) Other minor parts I am forgetting.
I did this swap in 3 weeks (weekends), even with ordering parts I needed. I started with a rolling explorer chassis / engine, so I needed EEC, radiator, hoses, fan shroud, airbox, etc.. If you can replace an engine with a like engine, you can perform this engine swap. Very straight forward.
I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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10-05-2005
Yah I'm seriously thinking about doing a V8 swap but the hardest part to me is finding a perfect donor vehicle.
Aaron
*edit* oh yah what i meant to say also. WHEN IT COMES TO VERY TECHNICAL PROBLEMS GO TO www.therangerstation.com !! They have a huge technical section and those guys could tell you all you need to know.
Aaron
Aaron
*edit* oh yah what i meant to say also. WHEN IT COMES TO VERY TECHNICAL PROBLEMS GO TO www.therangerstation.com !! They have a huge technical section and those guys could tell you all you need to know.
Aaron
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10-05-2005
Holy Guru, Todd! I want to be like you when I grow up!!!
I have a 3.0 -- the idea of a v8 is just making my head explode...
I have a 3.0 -- the idea of a v8 is just making my head explode...
Originally Posted by tmsoko
Bob, thanks for the props. I am just getting my feet wet with this board, so I will visit a little more often.
I can attest that the 98+ torsion bar ranger V8 swap with explorer components is indeed a plug and play swap. If you have a wrecked explorer V8 and a torsion bar ranger (and you use the explorer auto trans), you have every part you need except exhaust aft of the cats. All Explorer parts are direct swap over.
Explorer parts used:
1) Fully dressed engine assembly
2) Auto trans (4R70W)
3) AWD transfer case if 4x4
4) Explorer front drive shaft if 4x4
5) Explorer drive flange and ranger rear drive shaft
6) Explorer engine mounts / plates
7) Explorer manifolds / CAT pipes / sensors
8) Explorer radiator / hoses
9) Explorer P/S hose
10) Explorer Fan / Shroud
11) Ranger A/C condenser is fine / Explorer hoses
12) Explorer Throttle, cruise, shifter cables
13) Explorer engine and battery wire harnesses
14) Explorer EEC
15) Explorer Zip Tube, MAF, Airbox
16) Other minor parts I am forgetting.
I did this swap in 3 weeks (weekends), even with ordering parts I needed. I started with a rolling explorer chassis / engine, so I needed EEC, radiator, hoses, fan shroud, airbox, etc.. If you can replace an engine with a like engine, you can perform this engine swap. Very straight forward.
I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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I can attest that the 98+ torsion bar ranger V8 swap with explorer components is indeed a plug and play swap. If you have a wrecked explorer V8 and a torsion bar ranger (and you use the explorer auto trans), you have every part you need except exhaust aft of the cats. All Explorer parts are direct swap over.
Explorer parts used:
1) Fully dressed engine assembly
2) Auto trans (4R70W)
3) AWD transfer case if 4x4
4) Explorer front drive shaft if 4x4
5) Explorer drive flange and ranger rear drive shaft
6) Explorer engine mounts / plates
7) Explorer manifolds / CAT pipes / sensors
8) Explorer radiator / hoses
9) Explorer P/S hose
10) Explorer Fan / Shroud
11) Ranger A/C condenser is fine / Explorer hoses
12) Explorer Throttle, cruise, shifter cables
13) Explorer engine and battery wire harnesses
14) Explorer EEC
15) Explorer Zip Tube, MAF, Airbox
16) Other minor parts I am forgetting.
I did this swap in 3 weeks (weekends), even with ordering parts I needed. I started with a rolling explorer chassis / engine, so I needed EEC, radiator, hoses, fan shroud, airbox, etc.. If you can replace an engine with a like engine, you can perform this engine swap. Very straight forward.
I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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Originally Posted by tmsoko
Bob, thanks for the props. I am just getting my feet wet with this board, so I will visit a little more often.
I can attest that the 98+ torsion bar ranger V8 swap with explorer components is indeed a plug and play swap. If you have a wrecked explorer V8 and a torsion bar ranger (and you use the explorer auto trans), you have every part you need except exhaust aft of the cats. All Explorer parts are direct swap over.
Explorer parts used:
1) Fully dressed engine assembly
2) Auto trans (4R70W)
3) AWD transfer case if 4x4
4) Explorer front drive shaft if 4x4
5) Explorer drive flange and ranger rear drive shaft
6) Explorer engine mounts / plates
7) Explorer manifolds / CAT pipes / sensors
8) Explorer radiator / hoses
9) Explorer P/S hose
10) Explorer Fan / Shroud
11) Ranger A/C condenser is fine / Explorer hoses
12) Explorer Throttle, cruise, shifter cables
13) Explorer engine and battery wire harnesses
14) Explorer EEC
15) Explorer Zip Tube, MAF, Airbox
16) Other minor parts I am forgetting.
I did this swap in 3 weeks (weekends), even with ordering parts I needed. I started with a rolling explorer chassis / engine, so I needed EEC, radiator, hoses, fan shroud, airbox, etc.. If you can replace an engine with a like engine, you can perform this engine swap. Very straight forward.
I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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I can attest that the 98+ torsion bar ranger V8 swap with explorer components is indeed a plug and play swap. If you have a wrecked explorer V8 and a torsion bar ranger (and you use the explorer auto trans), you have every part you need except exhaust aft of the cats. All Explorer parts are direct swap over.
Explorer parts used:
1) Fully dressed engine assembly
2) Auto trans (4R70W)
3) AWD transfer case if 4x4
4) Explorer front drive shaft if 4x4
5) Explorer drive flange and ranger rear drive shaft
6) Explorer engine mounts / plates
7) Explorer manifolds / CAT pipes / sensors
8) Explorer radiator / hoses
9) Explorer P/S hose
10) Explorer Fan / Shroud
11) Ranger A/C condenser is fine / Explorer hoses
12) Explorer Throttle, cruise, shifter cables
13) Explorer engine and battery wire harnesses
14) Explorer EEC
15) Explorer Zip Tube, MAF, Airbox
16) Other minor parts I am forgetting.
I did this swap in 3 weeks (weekends), even with ordering parts I needed. I started with a rolling explorer chassis / engine, so I needed EEC, radiator, hoses, fan shroud, airbox, etc.. If you can replace an engine with a like engine, you can perform this engine swap. Very straight forward.
I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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Check out the following links. Each has several pages, so be sure to check out the others.
http://groups.msn.com/RangerKB/shoebox.msnw?Page=1
http://groups.msn.com/MarlaTodd/ranger.msnw
These are fairly well outdated, but get the point accross.
http://groups.msn.com/RangerKB/shoebox.msnw?Page=1
http://groups.msn.com/MarlaTodd/ranger.msnw
These are fairly well outdated, but get the point accross.
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It would make the access to top trans-to-engine bolts a whole lot easier. That is probably the toughest part of the swap!
The power was never where i wanted it to be, but it did not have an idea tune either. It made 263 rwhp and 353rwft-lbs. That was at 8psi? With a better tune would have been ~300/380ish.
The power was never where i wanted it to be, but it did not have an idea tune either. It made 263 rwhp and 353rwft-lbs. That was at 8psi? With a better tune would have been ~300/380ish.
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Originally Posted by tmsoko
9) I drove my 1999 Ranger 4x4 with a 1997 Explorer V8/AWD drive train for 48K miles, 27K of them with the Kenne Bell installed. I am now in process of swaping in a 96 351W roller engine with custom pistons / rods, AFR 205 heads, Kenne Bell 2.2L blower, '03 Cobra intercooler system with Fluidyne exchanger, and custom headers. You will never have enough power!
Todd
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Originally Posted by tmsoko
It would make the access to top trans-to-engine bolts a whole lot easier. That is probably the toughest part of the swap!
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For the late model trucks - 98+ - it is best to use the Explorer 302 V8 and 4R70W trans. That way, you don't have to re-wire your truck, as the factory gages and PATS system require a EEC-V engine to work.
As for thetrans, the 4R70W is a very good transmission. That is what I am building to use with my water intercooled, supercharge 351W. I will also use when I upgrade to the 410ci stroker engine. With the proper upgrades it can handle plenty of torque - and give you overdrive. Many of the 600+ RWHP cobra guys swap out the T-56 manual to put these in!
As for thetrans, the 4R70W is a very good transmission. That is what I am building to use with my water intercooled, supercharge 351W. I will also use when I upgrade to the 410ci stroker engine. With the proper upgrades it can handle plenty of torque - and give you overdrive. Many of the 600+ RWHP cobra guys swap out the T-56 manual to put these in!
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I have stock 4x4 front suspension / carrier. I have been thinking of swaping in a 8.8 IFS carrier from F150, just no time. It will work with some custom machine work on the F150 8.8 carrier to narrow and make new brackets.
As for the t-case, I am running the 4404 AWD case from explorer now. I have trial fit the f150/expedition 4406 t-case and 410Fortune from explorer4x4.com has completed a 4406 swap, so it will work. I will stick with the 4404 until I detonate it, then decide if I go 4406 or Atlas.
As for the t-case, I am running the 4404 AWD case from explorer now. I have trial fit the f150/expedition 4406 t-case and 410Fortune from explorer4x4.com has completed a 4406 swap, so it will work. I will stick with the 4404 until I detonate it, then decide if I go 4406 or Atlas.
