Originally Posted by 1993power ranger
sorry i meant $30,000 dollar installs
and i dont care if youve seen them
once you work on one get back to me
have you even heard a 13w7 as loud as it can go?
1 1/2" inches of travel both ways? what?
all im saying is you get what you pay for...
Xmech is not Xmax nor Xsus. The W7 13.5 does not have 3" Xmax or Xsus.
The JL 13 W7 has 28mm Xmax IIRC. However, Xmax doesnt equal loud. Linear travel doesnt mean jack when you put it in a ported enclosure. Hence why DD doesnt even post (or at least hasnt for a long time) their Xmax specs. Their drivers have minimal Xmax compared to subs like the W7, the old RE XXX, etc... but are much louder on the mic.
But your back pedaling has already begun.
Like I said, money doesnt make a system loud. SQ installs cost as much or more than SPL installs.
Also, kicker has been sound quality world champion numerous times...using L7's at that. It's all in the install. Sound Quality and SPL are 90% install, 10% product.
My SI mags are louder than the JL W7 13. They also sound fantastic. Stereo Integrity Mags are designed to be SQ woofers, just like the W7.
Lets not forget that you said a single W7 13 will be louder than two L7 15's...simply a moronic statement. Assiming equally well done installs yo uare talking nearly three times the cone area, nearly twice the power handling capability, and drivers intended for SQ vs drivers intended for SPL.
So continue to be a JL fanboi. If I am going to pay $600 for a sub with just getting loud in mind, JL is the last place I am going to look.
I'm sure you'll come back with some hot shot rebuttle about how many super expensive installs you've seen and done. Agian, like I said, show me the numbers and I'll give you credit. You dont see the JL W7 in the SPL lanes 99% of the time. When you do, it is a.) someone who doesnt know much about SPL or b.) someone who is just trying it out.
I will give the W7 this, it is quite an old motor yet still hangs in there pretty well as far as daily SPL goes. When it was first released, it may have been the end all be all minus all out SPL drivers. However, times have changed and the W7 has not. However good a woofer, its intentions are far from SPL and its good SPL days have come and gone and blown away with the air movement of newer, louder speakers.