buggman's Raptor Ranger Grille Project
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buggman's Raptor Ranger Grille Project
I've been busy trying to come up with my own twist on the Raptor Grille Mod and here's a peek at what I've got so far...
I had to replace my old grille a year or so ago but kept the old cracked one for just such a project.
I gutted basically everything except for the top & sides & part of the clips on the bottom and started my first build using fiberglass.
The sides were widened and made to about 3/4" thick. Most of the bottom section was cut out and replaced with a hand cut piece of wood that got fiberglassed into the remaining part of the old grille. The underside of the top part was filled in to eliminate the gap where the mesh is attached too.
The letters are my own design, based on the Raptor font. Initially I had the sides of the F & D longer and angled to match the angle of the sides of the grille, but even after I tapered the ends front to back, I just didn't like the feel so I trimmed them both down square & I like the look a lot better.
The letters have been a real PITA as I first had to make prototype letters, then duplicate them in MDF to make plaster molds that got fiberglass laid inside. Once the fiberglass hardened I added wood blocks to give some structure inside to screw them to the mesh.
My first idea was to paint the letters gloss black but even after several layers of bondo, sanding, primer, etc I just couldn't get a couple tiny imperfections to come out so I sprayed all sides, front & back with about 5 coats of spray on bedliner. I'm glad I used the bedliner as it has a slight texture that covered up all imperfections.
The mesh is stainless, or at least it's supposed to be stainless. I've had a chunk of it setting in a jug of water outside for about 3 weeks now & there's not a hint of rust yet.
I'm already thinking about a similar mod for newer grilles, but since I don't have any other spare grilles to work on, I may just have to size the letters to fit those grilles & make some mesh inserts that are over sized so you can trim them to fit your application.
Also need to try some new ideas on fiberglassing the letters as the molds are a real pain to work with since the areas inside are so small.
Since you've patiently read through all that stuff, here's a (link) to a ton of pics I got today.
I had to replace my old grille a year or so ago but kept the old cracked one for just such a project.
I gutted basically everything except for the top & sides & part of the clips on the bottom and started my first build using fiberglass.
The sides were widened and made to about 3/4" thick. Most of the bottom section was cut out and replaced with a hand cut piece of wood that got fiberglassed into the remaining part of the old grille. The underside of the top part was filled in to eliminate the gap where the mesh is attached too.
The letters are my own design, based on the Raptor font. Initially I had the sides of the F & D longer and angled to match the angle of the sides of the grille, but even after I tapered the ends front to back, I just didn't like the feel so I trimmed them both down square & I like the look a lot better.
The letters have been a real PITA as I first had to make prototype letters, then duplicate them in MDF to make plaster molds that got fiberglass laid inside. Once the fiberglass hardened I added wood blocks to give some structure inside to screw them to the mesh.
My first idea was to paint the letters gloss black but even after several layers of bondo, sanding, primer, etc I just couldn't get a couple tiny imperfections to come out so I sprayed all sides, front & back with about 5 coats of spray on bedliner. I'm glad I used the bedliner as it has a slight texture that covered up all imperfections.
The mesh is stainless, or at least it's supposed to be stainless. I've had a chunk of it setting in a jug of water outside for about 3 weeks now & there's not a hint of rust yet.
I'm already thinking about a similar mod for newer grilles, but since I don't have any other spare grilles to work on, I may just have to size the letters to fit those grilles & make some mesh inserts that are over sized so you can trim them to fit your application.
Also need to try some new ideas on fiberglassing the letters as the molds are a real pain to work with since the areas inside are so small.
Since you've patiently read through all that stuff, here's a (link) to a ton of pics I got today.
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I like it,looks pretty good, only thing I would really change is maybe make the letters slightly smaller, not alot, just maybe 1/2" shorter. Other than that, it looks awesome, I have been wanting to do something very similar, and kinda have a half *** mock up built. Cracked my grill last winter in -42C weather, raptor/ranger grill mod is my fix too, just need to finalize it and get time to work on it.
Buggman, have you tried laying a few layers of fg down on a waxed sheet of glass, letting it cure into a large sheet, then trace out your letters on it, and just cut it out with a jig saw or a dremel. Also, you can lay a few layers of glass, then place either wood in there and glass around it to hold it, giving you a molded in way to screw to it, or same idea, but instead of wood, stan bolts in there on thier heads, and glass them in, then just place the threaded part through your mesh grill and pop a washer and nut on the back side... tada, secured in place.
Buggman, have you tried laying a few layers of fg down on a waxed sheet of glass, letting it cure into a large sheet, then trace out your letters on it, and just cut it out with a jig saw or a dremel. Also, you can lay a few layers of glass, then place either wood in there and glass around it to hold it, giving you a molded in way to screw to it, or same idea, but instead of wood, stan bolts in there on thier heads, and glass them in, then just place the threaded part through your mesh grill and pop a washer and nut on the back side... tada, secured in place.
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If/when you guys have time, I'm in need of some info on all the different year ranger grilles...
Basically the overall height of the grille from the very bottom to the very top & the distance from the very top to the bottom lip of the top. That will give me a good idea of how much height there will be to work with when the bottom is reformed.
Also the overall width from outside to outside at the highest point at the top & lowest part at the bottom before the grille starts to curve. That will help determine the inside dimensions when the sides are formed as well as the angle of the sides for anyone wanting the angled F & D letters.
Also if there are any obstructions directly behind the grille like trans coolers, horns, etc that might hit the back of the new grille once installed. The new mesh grille should be about 1" thick from the very front of the grille to the back of the mesh & shouldn't be an issue... but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Basically the overall height of the grille from the very bottom to the very top & the distance from the very top to the bottom lip of the top. That will give me a good idea of how much height there will be to work with when the bottom is reformed.
Also the overall width from outside to outside at the highest point at the top & lowest part at the bottom before the grille starts to curve. That will help determine the inside dimensions when the sides are formed as well as the angle of the sides for anyone wanting the angled F & D letters.
Also if there are any obstructions directly behind the grille like trans coolers, horns, etc that might hit the back of the new grille once installed. The new mesh grille should be about 1" thick from the very front of the grille to the back of the mesh & shouldn't be an issue... but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Depending on how that style grill will look with a 1" "frame" down the sides & across the bottom, I may need to increase that dimension & adjust the width of the letters accordingly.
I should be able to remove the honeycomb from all 3 spots as well as the upright dividers to make one single, larger opening.
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This was my first time using fiberglass, so by the time I made the templates, blanks for the molds, made the molds, cut the blanks out of the molds, laid the glass, cut / trimmed / shaped the letters, filled in imperfections, sanded, primed & sprayed the letters with a few coats of bedliner... probably took me 4 weeks which includes time modding the grille too.
The woodworking was the easy part for me but the glass & molds were an all new experience.
Unless I come up with an easier process for making the letters, I'll be lucky to make $0.25 an hour
This mod is still in it's infancy right now though... I hope to have letters scaled to each specific grille type. If/when I have a streamlined process, I'd like to be able to make up any letters too.... maybe FX4, OFF ROAD, LEVEL II, RANGER or whatever.
I've also got some ideas in mind for the marker lights in the grille too.
I may have to pick your brain for some tips & tricks using fiberglass too
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Hey you did a good job. Im glad to see other people do this type of work. When you try to tell someone
"Ive got 120 hours of pattern making in a set of parts for a ranger conversion kit, at $70 an hour"
which is my shop rate, they dont understand. 70x120=$8400. Then you have to build the molds, another20+ hours. Then you get to the stage of "now I can make a part" Oh! I forgot theres about $1200
in materials.
You have to sell 20 parts before braking even. Its a labor of love nobody wants to understand. Glad to see others rise to the challenge. Keep it up.
Mike
"Ive got 120 hours of pattern making in a set of parts for a ranger conversion kit, at $70 an hour"
which is my shop rate, they dont understand. 70x120=$8400. Then you have to build the molds, another20+ hours. Then you get to the stage of "now I can make a part" Oh! I forgot theres about $1200
in materials.
You have to sell 20 parts before braking even. Its a labor of love nobody wants to understand. Glad to see others rise to the challenge. Keep it up.
Mike
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Yup and if you lucky you will make more money than friends once you recover the engineering cost… only problem is that most of these guys, like buggman are hobbyist and could not afford $70/hr for anything.
So the only thing here is IF you are LUCKY you will make some money at least material costs will be covered.
So the only thing here is IF you are LUCKY you will make some money at least material costs will be covered.
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Yeah,
If I did this stuff for money, I'd be nuts
Especially when you have 4 or 5 different versions/sizes of the same thing & have to make templates, molds, etc for each one & try to keep them organized.
It's definitely a labor of love
I'm lucky to cover the parts/materials & PP fees, when I do make a buck it goes to Dr's bills or into more stuff to mod.
I guess I could farm the labor out to "insert name of funny sounding country here" so I'd have more time to come up with stuff
If I did this stuff for money, I'd be nuts
Especially when you have 4 or 5 different versions/sizes of the same thing & have to make templates, molds, etc for each one & try to keep them organized.
It's definitely a labor of love
I'm lucky to cover the parts/materials & PP fees, when I do make a buck it goes to Dr's bills or into more stuff to mod.
I guess I could farm the labor out to "insert name of funny sounding country here" so I'd have more time to come up with stuff
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feel free to pm me with any questions or tips for laying glass, I have done tons of it, and I'm pretty sure there is a law somewhere about the amount of reading I have done on the subject..... lol
I have a great grasp on it, i just have poor access to good glassing materials since i live in Canada, best resin is in the US, comes from us composites.
I have a great grasp on it, i just have poor access to good glassing materials since i live in Canada, best resin is in the US, comes from us composites.
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