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02-05-2009
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#1 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
| 302 In A 95 Ranger Okay so my truck is a 95 4.0 stick and I was wondering what all needs to be changed in wiring to use the explorer 5.0? Ive read on TRS and found that 96-97 explorers didnt have pats so thats good right? Also what are my options for manual trans, T-5? Does anyone know if they make a floor shift for the stock 4R70W trans so i dont have to modify the steering column.
What are some other donor motors to get the 5.0 from mustang F-150?
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02-06-2009
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#2 | | Stage IV Member
I am: Haywood Jablome Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sask, Canada
Posts: 1,487
| Every single question you asked has been answered within the past month, a quick search will show every answer.
A few links for your reading: http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...d.php?t=172714 http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...play.php?f=159
You should know if you want manual or auto, they're both about as difficult as the other (manual trans, the clutch cable/master cylinder becomes the main concern). The only difference between 96-98.5' and 98.6-01' Expo 5.0 is the GT40/GT40P heads and then internal/external EGR.
Again all has been discussed, sorry I sounded rude.
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02-11-2009
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#3 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
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| Didnt sound rude at all and yes i did read a lot of the stuff on RPS to.
So after more reading and trying to search the T-5 i have decided to go with the T-5, I now there was a certaint year that it was hydraulic like mine i want to say 88-89 and what did they come in also? When I get to the wiring part do you just start matching up wires from the 5.0 to the stock harness and splice them together? or do you swap in the complet 5.0 harness and make modifications to the rest of the stock harness. What are some of the major modifications that need to be made in the wiring?
I know its a lot of questions but any help is appreciated.
One last thing is the wiring basically the same for the 97 and older rangers?
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02-12-2009
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#4 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
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02-12-2009
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#5 | | Level 1 Supporter
I am: Rob H Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: St. Clair Shores, Michiga
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| Alright, i should be able to help, I have the same setup in my truck. There were one or two years that had a 302 with a hydraulic bell housing, I believe for a t-bird. You can also get a hydraulic setup from a newer 4.0 mustang that i'm told will work perfect. If you want to run a cable set up it can be done, that's what I have in my truck.
As for wiring. You don't need to modify really anything of your stock harness. You will completely remove your stock engine harness for whatever motor you have. On the mustang harness, the main modifications needed are the fuel pump relay, eec relay, and giving the harness the key on signal from the rangers wiring harness. Besides that the main modification needed to the harness is the neutral safety wiring. Now as for this wiring info, i'm only firmiliar with the mustangs, and not the exploders.
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02-12-2009
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#6 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
| Thanks for that i dont really care about the NSS working unless it has to for some reason. What T-case will bolt to these trans if any? What year did the t-5's come in mustangs. There was no big changes in what model 5.0 came in the mustangs good years/bad years. Heads and things like that |
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02-12-2009
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#7 | | Stage X Member
I am: Bob . Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,730
| 96~97 Explorers and 95~97 Rangers are very similar in their electrical and emissions systems. Both are OBDII, both have return fuel systems, both use the same speedometer setup. There's a chance that some repinning may need to be done at the 42 pin connector that joins the Explorer engine/ PCM harness to the Ranger engine bay harness.
It would help immensely to have copies of the dealer EVTM manuals for both trucks to match up everything electrically. Buy them used on eBay or new from Helm, Inc.
Explorer 5.0L heads and intake manifolds are roughly equivalent to 93~95 5.0L Mustang Cobra making them superior to other 5.0 Mustangs. The Explorer cam is milder than either the Cobra or HO cam though.
Manual trans could be a M5ODR2 from a 97~2003 F150 4.2L 4x4. The 4.2 uses the same bell housing bolt pattern as a 4.9/5.0/5.8. For better or worse, the M5ODR2 uses the same style hydraulic clutch system as a Ranger M5ODR1.
A full size BW1356 T-case from a 96-back F-series or Bronco will physically bolt right up to the 4x4 M5ODR2 or to the AWD AODEW/4R70W. You would need to be sure to use a full size Tcase that accepts the VSS signal generator that is currently on your 1354 Tcase. There could be some minor clearance issues at the left frame rail and at the fuel tank. Will need driveshaft alterations.
Another alternative for the 4R70W is the $600 Advance Adapters parts kit that will mate it to your stock 1354. This should also allow you to run your current driveshafts as is.
A Mustang T5 needs a different extension housing to bolt to a transfer case - rumor has it that the extension housing from a S-10/T5/4x4 will work. Advance used to make an adapter for the T5-to-1354 but it is out of production now.
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02-12-2009
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#8 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
| thanks that really helped a lot but il keep on researching and see what else i can find also. good info to |
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02-12-2009
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#9 | | Stage X Member
I am: Cameron Downey Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Muncy, PA
Posts: 7,473
| Couldn't you just buy the adapter from advanced adapters so you can run a 1345 tcase and that would solve your axle problems too. |
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02-12-2009
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#10 | | Stage IV Member
I am: Haywood Jablome Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sask, Canada
Posts: 1,487
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Originally Posted by Downey Couldn't you just buy the adapter from advanced adapters so you can run a 1345 tcase and that would solve your axle problems too. | | They don't make it anymore. |
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02-12-2009
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#11 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
| Only problem i for see is rear driveshaft angles, Are there any good ways to find out exactly what trans is in a truck like at a junk yard? Say you have an explorer will it have 4R70W stamped on it? |
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02-13-2009
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#12 | | Stage X Member
I am: Bob . Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,730
| All 5.0L Explorers and 5.0L Mountaineers have the 4R70W. 99~2001 have improved durability over the earlier version but there may be wiring differences. |
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02-13-2009
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#13 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
| Did the explorers come with manual tran's? |
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02-13-2009
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#14 | | Stage X Member
I am: Bob . Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,730
| 4.0's yes. 5.0's no. |
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02-13-2009
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#15 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
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Originally Posted by rwenzing 96~97 Explorers and 95~97 Rangers are very similar in their electrical and emissions systems. Both are OBDII, both have return fuel systems, both use the same speedometer setup. There's a chance that some repinning may need to be done at the 42 pin connector that joins the Explorer engine/ PCM harness to the Ranger engine bay harness.
It would help immensely to have copies of the dealer EVTM manuals for both trucks to match up everything electrically. Buy them used on eBay or new from Helm, Inc.
Explorer 5.0L heads and intake manifolds are roughly equivalent to 93~95 5.0L Mustang Cobra making them superior to other 5.0 Mustangs. The Explorer cam is milder than either the Cobra or HO cam though.
Manual trans could be a M5ODR2 from a 97~2003 F150 4.2L 4x4. The 4.2 uses the same bell housing bolt pattern as a 4.9/5.0/5.8. For better or worse, the M5ODR2 uses the same style hydraulic clutch system as a Ranger M5ODR1.
A full size BW1356 T-case from a 96-back F-series or Bronco will physically bolt right up to the 4x4 M5ODR2 or to the AWD AODEW/4R70W. You would need to be sure to use a full size Tcase that accepts the VSS signal generator that is currently on your 1354 Tcase. There could be some minor clearance issues at the left frame rail and at the fuel tank. Will need driveshaft alterations.
Another alternative for the 4R70W is the $600 Advance Adapters parts kit that will mate it to your stock 1354. This should also allow you to run your current driveshafts as is.
A Mustang T5 needs a different extension housing to bolt to a transfer case - rumor has it that the extension housing from a S-10/T5/4x4 will work. Advance used to make an adapter for the T5-to-1354 but it is out of production now. | | Ill be running a fuel cell so theres no pboblem there, im thinking that a 96 or older manual trans f-series should have the vss in the t-case like mine now is anyone know for sure? Also what am i going to have to do to my fuel system the 96-97 expos are return style and what about the mustangs, also what am i going to need to flow will the stock ranger pump work? |
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02-13-2009
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#16 | | Stage X Member
I am: Bob . Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,730
| All 5.0 EFI Stangs are return fuel and so are 5.0 Ex through 1998. I was able to get away with the stock Ranger pump on my 302 but now with the supercharger it is marginal. If necessary, it is easy to find higher flow pumps that will fit the 95 Ranger tank unit. |
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02-13-2009
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#17 | | Level 1 Supporter
I am: Rob H Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: St. Clair Shores, Michiga
Posts: 2,166
| If you want a higher flow pump I would suggest this pump. Good Price, Good Quality. Will flow plenty for a naturally aspirated 302. |
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02-14-2009
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#18 | | Stage II Member
I am: Rob Berry Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: pinckney,MI
Posts: 378
| I geussing that the pump above will just swap out in place of the ranger pump? Anyone know about the VSS in the t-case on the f-150's? I might go to the junkyard monday and try to see what they have. What kind of headers are you running 91Ranger? I will need a filter relocation kit also right im thinking this one http://store.summitracing.com/partde...0&autoview=sku. |
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