2WD Ranger still fish-tailing in snow even with weight in the back and all terrains?
#26
I had about 300 hp in a 2wd S-10 when I was 18/19 driving it in Illinois & CT during winter blizzard conditions, less than 100 lbs in the back running on 31"tires... 2nd gear starts no matter what, and max speed of like 40 when I was driving around town. God was it fun though... Scared the hell out of all my friends....
Use less skinny pedal...
Use less skinny pedal...
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Less skinny pedal, lower gears, sand bags, snow tires (not mud tires, they suck in the snow), trac-loc axle swap if you want L/S.
The difference between my open rear end winter last year and my Torsen LS winter this year has been minimal though. I went from 4 sandbags to 3 though.
#29
I hope to God I never see you driving in the snow... cause i'd probably get just as pissed off as I do with anyone in my home town tries to drive in the snow.
Last edited by 95Rangerjunkie; 12-26-2010 at 11:27 AM.
#30
Don't do that, be nice to your clutch.
agreed x2
#31
Better tires, lower air pressure, and beyond that you just need to learn to drive in the snow. You need to learn to counter steer when the rear end slides out, it is no big deal.
I could drive any of my trucks in 2wd and get around fine. Yes they will fish tail on a corner that is sloped the wrong way, so what. Use a little bit of throttle and counter steer through it if you have to.
Go find an empty parking lot with no poles and slide around and feel it out. If the rear is sliding when you're not on the throttle, a 4x4 will do the same thing. I have a feeling that you have really crappy tires on there too, with a hard tread compound that isn't friendly to lower temperatures.
I could drive any of my trucks in 2wd and get around fine. Yes they will fish tail on a corner that is sloped the wrong way, so what. Use a little bit of throttle and counter steer through it if you have to.
Go find an empty parking lot with no poles and slide around and feel it out. If the rear is sliding when you're not on the throttle, a 4x4 will do the same thing. I have a feeling that you have really crappy tires on there too, with a hard tread compound that isn't friendly to lower temperatures.
#33
I drove a 2wd Ranger (4.0, LS diff) for 3 years in Canadian winters. Never got stuck once. And the first year I ran it with the crappy Goodyear RT/S tires! The next 2 years I ran BFG All-Terrains.
Sure it will fishtail a bit, but you just need to learn to use it to your advantage and it will be fine.. in fact, it is even makes it fun to drive :-)
Not sure what you're doing, but it seems that you just need to learn to drive in snow...
Sure it will fishtail a bit, but you just need to learn to use it to your advantage and it will be fine.. in fact, it is even makes it fun to drive :-)
Not sure what you're doing, but it seems that you just need to learn to drive in snow...
#34
My 4wd with limited slip will fish tail on the bare pavement if I want it to, in 2wd. It goes sideways very easy in 2wd when it's slippery out, the car is much more stable on the road than the truck at speed.
What is fun in a 4wd is get on a large patch of ice in 4wd and do some cyclones!
What is fun in a 4wd is get on a large patch of ice in 4wd and do some cyclones!
#35
The problem could well be his tires.
Uniroyal has a harder composition rubber for longer treadwear. But in colder weather it sacrifices traction.
I'm running Cooper WeatherMaster s/t2 which is a softer rubber , which works better for Winter traction. But bare road will wear them down faster.
The softer the tire compound , the better cold weather traction.
Uniroyal has a harder composition rubber for longer treadwear. But in colder weather it sacrifices traction.
I'm running Cooper WeatherMaster s/t2 which is a softer rubber , which works better for Winter traction. But bare road will wear them down faster.
The softer the tire compound , the better cold weather traction.
#36
I talked to my brother in law earlier tonight and asked what he does to prepare his 4x4 Tacoma for winter conditions. He said he uses his BFG all-terrain KO tires year round with cinder blocks in the bed and never thinks of putting winter tires on. Last year he didn't have a problem getting out with almost 3 feet of snow either and said his truck only fish tails when turning at high speeds. His Tacoma is all stock with a 5-speed BTW.
At this point I'm pretty sure it's the cheap Uniroyal all-terrains. I had them put on 2 years ago for $75.00 per tire and my brother in law said his BFG's ran him around $250.00 each. I've been doing everything everyone here has said to do with a 2WD pickup in bad weather so hopefully this all comes down to poor quality tires.
At this point I'm pretty sure it's the cheap Uniroyal all-terrains. I had them put on 2 years ago for $75.00 per tire and my brother in law said his BFG's ran him around $250.00 each. I've been doing everything everyone here has said to do with a 2WD pickup in bad weather so hopefully this all comes down to poor quality tires.
#37
x2.. were getting a storm up here and everyone is flipping out about the roads and such..people have no idea how to drive..
Better tires, lower air pressure, and beyond that you just need to learn to drive in the snow. You need to learn to counter steer when the rear end slides out, it is no big deal.
I could drive any of my trucks in 2wd and get around fine. Yes they will fish tail on a corner that is sloped the wrong way, so what. Use a little bit of throttle and counter steer through it if you have to.
Go find an empty parking lot with no poles and slide around and feel it out. If the rear is sliding when you're not on the throttle, a 4x4 will do the same thing. I have a feeling that you have really crappy tires on there too, with a hard tread compound that isn't friendly to lower temperatures.
I could drive any of my trucks in 2wd and get around fine. Yes they will fish tail on a corner that is sloped the wrong way, so what. Use a little bit of throttle and counter steer through it if you have to.
Go find an empty parking lot with no poles and slide around and feel it out. If the rear is sliding when you're not on the throttle, a 4x4 will do the same thing. I have a feeling that you have really crappy tires on there too, with a hard tread compound that isn't friendly to lower temperatures.
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you want less surface on the ground in snow....wider tire put the weight on a larger scale..really not good....here you cant have less or more then 5 psi play in your tire...75 4 fine each low or excess tires....because stupid people where bringing there tire to 15 psi in winter...cause many blow out and accidents..on rad with snow. you want the smallest tire possible
#42
you gave lots of bad information..really.. 4x4 do fishtail if you put the gas...second start in second gear can make the difference between spinning and gripping. third weird you still fishtail i gt a 2wd and i have no problem with fishtalling lowering tire pressure is dangerus and wil disvantage you on snowy or icy condition.. plz take the bus man... your scary
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#43
Last week we got maybe 2 inches of snow. I loaded the back/rear axel area of the bed with about 400-500 pounds of wood and I have Uniroyal all terrains, but the rear end still fish-tailed like crazy at even the smallest turns. What else is there to do? I don't really feel like dropping a grand on mud/snow terrain tires for a small 2WD 4-banger Ranger. Am I missing something here? I mean, were just talking 2 inches of snow here folks. Do 4WD trucks still fish-tail even without weight in the bed?
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4x4 and limited slip do nothing if all four wheels have poor traction...you'll just be spinning four wheels instead of 2. In some cases, that's actually worse than a 2WD vehicle. I've been in Colorado doing full 180's on a highway with 4WD on, driving easy, and with a fully loaded bed...it's just a fact of driving on ICE. In some cases, I've found an open differential to work somewhat better at low speeds on ice and snow because of the extra wheelspin..it breaks up ice and can be a good thing. Limited slip helps me a lot more off road and in rain. Ice is just tricky as hell. Even in good conditions you can expect a bit of slipping and sliding. Just keep the speed down and keep yourself in a good gear. Second gear start can help sometimes.
WINTER TIRES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Any time you're in snow and ice, EASY does it...you can't just drive around like it's summer...the road is covered in ice...no tire or 4WD is going to make it easy...they're just tools that CAN help if you know how to use them properly and if conditions allow it.
My general experience with snow and ice is that lower tire pressure, easier driving, and keeping your rear end loaded is important. However, if conditions are too poor for driving, there's really no safe way to operate any vehicle.
A useful tip...if you're going down the highway and start to lose it...throw the truck in neutral as soon as you feel it get loose and steer out of the skid...the truck will right itself most of the time. Any power (even idle) to the rear wheels can be a big issue.
WINTER TIRES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Any time you're in snow and ice, EASY does it...you can't just drive around like it's summer...the road is covered in ice...no tire or 4WD is going to make it easy...they're just tools that CAN help if you know how to use them properly and if conditions allow it.
My general experience with snow and ice is that lower tire pressure, easier driving, and keeping your rear end loaded is important. However, if conditions are too poor for driving, there's really no safe way to operate any vehicle.
A useful tip...if you're going down the highway and start to lose it...throw the truck in neutral as soon as you feel it get loose and steer out of the skid...the truck will right itself most of the time. Any power (even idle) to the rear wheels can be a big issue.
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you want less surface on the ground in snow....wider tire put the weight on a larger scale..really not good....here you cant have less or more then 5 psi play in your tire...75 4 fine each low or excess tires....because stupid people where bringing there tire to 15 psi in winter...cause many blow out and accidents..on rad with snow. you want the smallest tire possible
example: Sentra with 205-50/16 tires and Corolla with 185-75/14 (or close to that). Sentra had BFG Traction T/A @ $130ish/tire Corolla had $50 Wall-mart all seasons. My driveway is on a hill. Corolla made it up after plowing with no problems in forward or reverse. Senta would spin all the way up if it even made it up (in forward or reverse). All comes down to the tires. Both sets of tires were carrying the recommended 32-34psi.
4x4 and limited slip do nothing if all four wheels have poor traction...you'll just be spinning four wheels instead of 2. In some cases, that's actually worse than a 2WD vehicle. I've been in Colorado doing full 180's on a highway with 4WD on, driving easy, and with a fully loaded bed...it's just a fact of driving on ICE. In some cases, I've found an open differential to work somewhat better at low speeds on ice and snow because of the extra wheelspin..it breaks up ice and can be a good thing. Limited slip helps me a lot more off road and in rain. Ice is just tricky as hell. Even in good conditions you can expect a bit of slipping and sliding. Just keep the speed down and keep yourself in a good gear. Second gear start can help sometimes.
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In short, the more pressure per square inch of tire tread, the better traction the tire will have in the snow (even if the tire has less overall tread on the ground). Ask your local tire technician.
and if not that how about physics? http://www.worsleyschool.net/science...dfriction.html
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