power from fuse pannel
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Looking into any unused fuse cavity in the dash fuse panel, there will likely be a terminal on one side only. The output terminal from the fuse cavity to the load is not factory installed unless it is needed.
Also, different 'zones' of the panel have different inputs: hot in RUN, hot in START/RUN, hot in ACC/RUN, hot at all times, etc, etc. It is necessary to determine which open cavity would be suited to the circuit being added.
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I have successfully added maybe 6 low current circuits to my dash fuse panel by disassembling it and installing output terminals and fuses in the correct zones.
To install any additional terminals, it is necessary to pull the panel out and remove the locking grid from the front so the terminals can be added to the hidden side. The fuse panel is hard wired into the dash harness so it must be worked on in the truck but pulled out slightly for access. It is a little awkward but still possible.
Real fuse terminals are very heavy duty and necessary for this application but I'm sure that they would be next to impossible to find individually. I salvaged my terminals from this junkyard Ranger panel:
Stuff to remember:
- Definitely disconnect the battery before beginning. About half of the dash panel circuits are hot all the time.
- As always, it is critical that any circuit be adequately wired and properly fused near the source.
- In general, the groups of fuses in the dash fuse panel are served by larger fuses in the Distribution Box under the hood. If circuits are added to the dash box indiscriminately, it is very possible to reach a combined current that can melt a larger fuse in the Distribution Box.
- For anything but a very low amp circuit, it would be better to forget about the dash panel and run a new circuit from the source. It would be possible to wire it directly from the cable clamp at the battery but, IMO, it is cleaner to come off the bolted positive cable at the front of the distribution box.
- Any electrical modification is potentially risky, probably more so for a fuse panel modification. Proceed at your own peril!
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FWIW, this is the "region" layout in my 2003 Ranger. Other years are probably different:
Always hot: 1 5 9 13 17 18 21 22 25 26 29 30 35
Hot in Run: 2 6 10 14
Hot in Run/Acc: 12 16 20
Hot in Run/Start: 11 15 19
Hot in Start: 24 28
Trailer tow turn signals: 3 7
Hot with high beams: 33
Last edited by V8 Level II; 02-05-2011 at 07:39 PM.
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IMHO… Run a separate fused power cable for each of the added components straight from the battery or a Terminal Strip or Post.
That way with the properly sized wire for pwr and grd each component will function at full capacity and not overload the other components you are stealing power from.
If you hookup with taps or over load the fuse panel, the first time you turn on all your components, especially the lights and your engine stalls or sputters you will wish you had separate power for each component.
You might be able to add some smaller components to the main fuse panel but 4 130w lights @ 40+ amps and 2 55w lights @ 9+ amps and you will overload the main box quickly.
Again, this is "in my humble opinion" not from looking at the schematics and determining the full load of the Fuse Panel feed.
When it comes to higher current draw components leave the main fuse panel to running the truck, add a separate Circuit panel or separate fused feed line for the big stuff.
That way with the properly sized wire for pwr and grd each component will function at full capacity and not overload the other components you are stealing power from.
If you hookup with taps or over load the fuse panel, the first time you turn on all your components, especially the lights and your engine stalls or sputters you will wish you had separate power for each component.
You might be able to add some smaller components to the main fuse panel but 4 130w lights @ 40+ amps and 2 55w lights @ 9+ amps and you will overload the main box quickly.
Again, this is "in my humble opinion" not from looking at the schematics and determining the full load of the Fuse Panel feed.
When it comes to higher current draw components leave the main fuse panel to running the truck, add a separate Circuit panel or separate fused feed line for the big stuff.
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IMHO… Run a separate fused power cable for each of the added components straight from the battery or a Terminal Strip or Post.
That way with the properly sized wire for pwr and grd each component will function at full capacity and not overload the other components you are stealing power from.
If you hookup with taps or over load the fuse panel, the first time you turn on all your components, especially the lights and your engine stalls or sputters you will wish you had separate power for each component.
You might be able to add some smaller components to the main fuse panel but 4 130w lights @ 40+ amps and 2 55w lights @ 9+ amps and you will overload the main box quickly.
Again, this is "in my humble opinion" not from looking at the schematics and determining the full load of the Fuse Panel feed.
When it comes to higher current draw components leave the main fuse panel to running the truck, add a separate Circuit panel or separate fused feed line for the big stuff.
That way with the properly sized wire for pwr and grd each component will function at full capacity and not overload the other components you are stealing power from.
If you hookup with taps or over load the fuse panel, the first time you turn on all your components, especially the lights and your engine stalls or sputters you will wish you had separate power for each component.
You might be able to add some smaller components to the main fuse panel but 4 130w lights @ 40+ amps and 2 55w lights @ 9+ amps and you will overload the main box quickly.
Again, this is "in my humble opinion" not from looking at the schematics and determining the full load of the Fuse Panel feed.
When it comes to higher current draw components leave the main fuse panel to running the truck, add a separate Circuit panel or separate fused feed line for the big stuff.
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Yea i was thinking about getting almost that exact one except i might get an 8 or a 10 just to have plenty of extra circuits. one question did you fasten it down or is it just sitting there?
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Here are a few places I have used:
http://www.k-four.net/
http://www.delcity.net/navi?action=home
http://www.pedal-2d-metal.com/ - nice switches with labels
http://www.trickcableandswitch.com/mm5/merchant.mvc
http://order.waytekwire.com/cgi-bin/...EBID(S0020):01
http://www.wiringproducts.com/
Last edited by Scrambler82; 02-13-2011 at 09:47 AM.
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The higher current components like the Aux Lights will have the relays under the hood for sure because I want the power wires to be as short as possible.
The lower powered components like CB and HAM Radios will have one power wire coming in the cab but from underneath the cab or just behind the cab, DRILL HOLE insert sealable thru fitting, one for red and one for blk; maybe a 6 or 8 gauge wire t handle a lot of stuff and it will be fused near the battery, just in case of a short.
I like my grounds all in one place too so there will be a stud near the battery where all of my components will have the ground wires connected, less corrosion to deal with this way.
If you want to run your wires in through the fire wall then there are a number of holes where other things are coming out and you can use these holes to feed your wires in; just don’t open up the grommets too much, keep it tight.
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Yeah defiantly do it right and clean and the way you want it to first time. I rushed when I did mine and it looks like crap and it really buggy. I replace have to replace switches and it short circuits all the time. I only hooked up 3 relays and 3 switches so I didn't use a fuse block but it looks really messy. I rushed through it and I am pretty unhappy with the setup. Part of the problem is I didn't have everything I needed like fuse holder clips or enough wire. I also didn't have any heat shrink wrap, no soldering, and I electrical taped everything. Thinking back I really f'ed it up actually lol.
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