Question for LED Gauge Cluster Modders...
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Question for LED Gauge Cluster Modders...
I'm wanting to do do a LED mod on my gauge cluster, and I've read the write ups and I'm more looking for opinions from the experienced...
First, is it better to paint the overlays and have white or blue LEDs behind, or has anyone had success with just making the overlays clear and just putting colored LEDs behind.
Also, has anyone had a bad experience with the plug-and-play 194 LEDs. I see most of the modders on her use the component ones and solder them together using resistors (which I find very impressive). I'd rather just do the plug-and-plays but wanted to get some opinions first.
And last... has anyone done an LED conversion on a gauge cluster as old as my 93...?
First, is it better to paint the overlays and have white or blue LEDs behind, or has anyone had success with just making the overlays clear and just putting colored LEDs behind.
Also, has anyone had a bad experience with the plug-and-play 194 LEDs. I see most of the modders on her use the component ones and solder them together using resistors (which I find very impressive). I'd rather just do the plug-and-plays but wanted to get some opinions first.
And last... has anyone done an LED conversion on a gauge cluster as old as my 93...?
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My experienced opinion is that plug and play LEDs are never as good as component LEDs with the exception of L1224Rs when it comes to brakelights and turnsignals (even know they really aren't "plug and play"?)
The reason is this: a bulb is basically a bubble of light. It looks basically the same from all directions. LEDs are directional, sorta like an arrow of light that shines away from the source. If you want to take an LED and make it into a bulb like application you are taking multiple LEDs and putting them in different directions. So... why not just use LEDs that are aimed so that they only shoot in the direction you want the light? Think about it. The other problem with LEDs when it comes to clusters is that you want the light to be evenly spread so that it looks pretty to the eye. Bulbs work good at this. The way OEMs do it is they take a bulb and paint the overlay different thicknesses so that there is more paint near the bright spots, and less where it is dim. If your going to use plugin LEDs you might not get very good results here, so you need to engineer your way out of the problem. Things like shiny foil tape help. Adding extra LEDs helps. I think that component LEDs kick a$$ when it comes to clusters. You can put them wherever you want as long as you have a hot glue gun, and if you know how to solder. Adding resistors in isn't that hard, and I laugh when I see other ranger-forums members who get scared of this.
I really disagree with the whole "painting the back" theme. The reason is that whenever you pass the light through any kind of tinted color, you will lose brightness. Why not just buy the LEDs in the color that you want?
Oh yeah, on a 2004 Ranger the needles are orange. I noticed that you get almost no light through the needles when you use blue LEDs because blue and orange are opposites. White and Red LEDs work fantastic. You might want to look into getting aftermarket needles if you are a Blue freak like me. (well not in my Evo, its all Red or White)
If this is too overwhelming for you, I'm sure you can find another RF member to do the cluster work for you. I handle 2004 and up clusters, and I know of 2 other members who will no doubt hone into this thread too who do the older ones. The best bet is to be careful taking things apart, and use common sense. Making an LED modded cluster is like arts and crafts.
Here are some pictures of my work:
The reason is this: a bulb is basically a bubble of light. It looks basically the same from all directions. LEDs are directional, sorta like an arrow of light that shines away from the source. If you want to take an LED and make it into a bulb like application you are taking multiple LEDs and putting them in different directions. So... why not just use LEDs that are aimed so that they only shoot in the direction you want the light? Think about it. The other problem with LEDs when it comes to clusters is that you want the light to be evenly spread so that it looks pretty to the eye. Bulbs work good at this. The way OEMs do it is they take a bulb and paint the overlay different thicknesses so that there is more paint near the bright spots, and less where it is dim. If your going to use plugin LEDs you might not get very good results here, so you need to engineer your way out of the problem. Things like shiny foil tape help. Adding extra LEDs helps. I think that component LEDs kick a$$ when it comes to clusters. You can put them wherever you want as long as you have a hot glue gun, and if you know how to solder. Adding resistors in isn't that hard, and I laugh when I see other ranger-forums members who get scared of this.
I really disagree with the whole "painting the back" theme. The reason is that whenever you pass the light through any kind of tinted color, you will lose brightness. Why not just buy the LEDs in the color that you want?
Oh yeah, on a 2004 Ranger the needles are orange. I noticed that you get almost no light through the needles when you use blue LEDs because blue and orange are opposites. White and Red LEDs work fantastic. You might want to look into getting aftermarket needles if you are a Blue freak like me. (well not in my Evo, its all Red or White)
If this is too overwhelming for you, I'm sure you can find another RF member to do the cluster work for you. I handle 2004 and up clusters, and I know of 2 other members who will no doubt hone into this thread too who do the older ones. The best bet is to be careful taking things apart, and use common sense. Making an LED modded cluster is like arts and crafts.
Here are some pictures of my work:
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Thanks for the quick reply, and your cluster is one that has really encouraged me to do this, you put a lot of time and effort into it and it shows.
I also read that yours took you some serious time, and that would be fine with me if I had an extra cluster... but being that I have a '93, the clusters and overlays are getting harder and harder to find...
The only issue I have with the clear overlay with colored LEDs is that you might lose the red-limit spots, such as redline on the tach or hot/high on the temp and ammeter. So that's why I've been toying with the idea of painting so I don't lose those.
I also read that yours took you some serious time, and that would be fine with me if I had an extra cluster... but being that I have a '93, the clusters and overlays are getting harder and harder to find...
The only issue I have with the clear overlay with colored LEDs is that you might lose the red-limit spots, such as redline on the tach or hot/high on the temp and ammeter. So that's why I've been toying with the idea of painting so I don't lose those.
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On my truck the red of the KPH and what not is on the front of the cluster, so there is no scratching it off (unless you want it to look retarded), the blue does struggle to get through there, but I have LEDs right near it and this helps alot. What color are you looking to do anyways? There are a bunch of other products that I might use if I had to do this again. Half of what took me so long was getting parts: Paint, Needles (ordered them 2 times, because the first batch was too loose) - Plus I kept changing the kind of LEDs I wanted to use, and then I kept running out of LEDs..
Last edited by Jp7; 10-26-2008 at 03:29 PM.
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I'd probably go with blue like you and Trevor did in the other write up, looks really good that way. Plus it would match my Alpine HU perfectly.
I think the needles on my display are just clear, b/c they have a incandescent (sp?) look to them when they're on, same color as the odometer, so a blue LED behind that might just work out.
And does anyone know of what other overlays might work for a 93?
I think the needles on my display are just clear, b/c they have a incandescent (sp?) look to them when they're on, same color as the odometer, so a blue LED behind that might just work out.
And does anyone know of what other overlays might work for a 93?
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i only have one spot where its brighter then the rest of the gauge it is on the high side of the voltage gauge. Other then that they illuminate pretty evenly
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Well I'm probably going to start taking things apart on the dash today to see if I still want to do this... now has anyone done an LED conversion on a truck as old as mine? If so any tips/tricks/dos and don'ts (specifically for this year, I've already read the write-ups so no need to quote those)
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Well I'm probably going to start taking things apart on the dash today to see if I still want to do this... now has anyone done an LED conversion on a truck as old as mine? If so any tips/tricks/dos and don'ts (specifically for this year, I've already read the write-ups so no need to quote those)
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^^ No kidding.
I don't think I'm going to do it after all, it doesn't appear to be as easy as it is for the newer models. It isn't just an easy pop and play overlay system, there are the servos that move the needles, and the plastic overlay parts are heavily glued to a plastic backing... plus I can't for the life of me get the stupid cluster out, I think one of the wiring harnesses in the back is kinked, so it's not giving any slack. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
The only way I might be able to do this, and it may sound stupid, would be to put bright yellow LEDs behind the overlays. That way, the yellow LED mixed with the green overlay would equal Blue... not sure if that would work but hey, maybe if I get really bored some rainy day...
I don't think I'm going to do it after all, it doesn't appear to be as easy as it is for the newer models. It isn't just an easy pop and play overlay system, there are the servos that move the needles, and the plastic overlay parts are heavily glued to a plastic backing... plus I can't for the life of me get the stupid cluster out, I think one of the wiring harnesses in the back is kinked, so it's not giving any slack. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
The only way I might be able to do this, and it may sound stupid, would be to put bright yellow LEDs behind the overlays. That way, the yellow LED mixed with the green overlay would equal Blue... not sure if that would work but hey, maybe if I get really bored some rainy day...
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^^ No kidding.
I don't think I'm going to do it after all, it doesn't appear to be as easy as it is for the newer models. It isn't just an easy pop and play overlay system, there are the servos that move the needles, and the plastic overlay parts are heavily glued to a plastic backing... plus I can't for the life of me get the stupid cluster out, I think one of the wiring harnesses in the back is kinked, so it's not giving any slack. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
The only way I might be able to do this, and it may sound stupid, would be to put bright yellow LEDs behind the overlays. That way, the yellow LED mixed with the green overlay would equal Blue... not sure if that would work but hey, maybe if I get really bored some rainy day...
I don't think I'm going to do it after all, it doesn't appear to be as easy as it is for the newer models. It isn't just an easy pop and play overlay system, there are the servos that move the needles, and the plastic overlay parts are heavily glued to a plastic backing... plus I can't for the life of me get the stupid cluster out, I think one of the wiring harnesses in the back is kinked, so it's not giving any slack. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
The only way I might be able to do this, and it may sound stupid, would be to put bright yellow LEDs behind the overlays. That way, the yellow LED mixed with the green overlay would equal Blue... not sure if that would work but hey, maybe if I get really bored some rainy day...
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^^hahahaa....kinda like a colbalt in reverse right?
I'm currently in the middle of doing LED's on my buddy's '82ish toyota. Pretty much the method is the same. My '71 chevy is next for me....i'm feelin' like red this time.
Just for funsies.....get an extra cluster and mess around with it. Seriously.....use it as a learning device so you don't mess yours up. OR...you might get the job done on your extra cluster to your satisfaction, and bam! you've got a spare cluster should something happen.
I'm currently in the middle of doing LED's on my buddy's '82ish toyota. Pretty much the method is the same. My '71 chevy is next for me....i'm feelin' like red this time.
Just for funsies.....get an extra cluster and mess around with it. Seriously.....use it as a learning device so you don't mess yours up. OR...you might get the job done on your extra cluster to your satisfaction, and bam! you've got a spare cluster should something happen.
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^^ I agree, but I still for the life of me can't get the whole cluster out, and I can't see behind it to figure out what is holding it back. If anyone has any input on this it would be greatly appreciated. I know there are the two wiring harnesses on the sides, but there is a part attached to the back of the speedometer that prevents me from even pulling the cluster out more than about 1 1/2 inches (my chiltons manual doesn't go in enough depth on it either...)
Also, the needles don't show any way of coming off, I've tugged on them and looked for some kind of release, but no luck.
EDIT: After reading more, I think that it is simply the speedo cable, but does that detach right behind the cluster, or somewhere further down... I believe it's the cable though that's holding me back, not the wire harnesses...
Also, the needles don't show any way of coming off, I've tugged on them and looked for some kind of release, but no luck.
EDIT: After reading more, I think that it is simply the speedo cable, but does that detach right behind the cluster, or somewhere further down... I believe it's the cable though that's holding me back, not the wire harnesses...
Last edited by KulpaKabana; 10-27-2008 at 10:00 PM.
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I just want to thank everyone for their input. Never played with colors and thought the green looked good until I couldn't see the durned needles. Have ordered white LEDs. New at doing modifications to my 2004 Ranger, and since I am really close to retirement, thought I would spruce it up a bit. Guess I should have checked with someone who has done this first.
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