What would I do to them? They are already cut for the 38's...

 

Please flex it out if you can, I am curious as to the flex you get. I think the front springs will be a little stiff, but want to see flex shots first.

Did you upgrade the rear shafts? I dont think the 8.8 will like the 38s, and it looked like a 6 lug wheel (quick glance), and I know stock is 5 lug. I have not read the entire thread.

 

I posted everything I did in the thread man, go look.

They are superior chromoly 6-lug shafts...the tubes are welded and I have a full-carrier detroit. Yes the front springs will be stiff, they are brand fawking new but are still soft as is.

Go read the thread, thats why it's here!

 

Thats a lot of reading to do LOL

I know they will soften up as they get used, but a 7 leaf pack just seems to be very stiff. My truck had 3 leafs in its pack in the rear, I would imagine a 5 pack would be suffice. Being SOA, it is going to be a lot stiffer than SPUA, it is less unsprung weight. I dont want to start an arguement over this, just sharing my thoughts.

It looks good, looks a little high but that may be becuase there are no front fenders on it. Good work, now go roll it over!

 

If you did research anywhere about SOA leaf springs, just because it has more leafs, doesn't mean it's more stiff. Go look up waggy 7-leaf springs, they are SOFT AS HELL. I had the springs custom made from alcan, to my weight and measurements. If you look at the pic where its flexing on the 31's MT/R's, the front is flexing just a little bit less than the rear, already and they arn't broken in yet...

 

Which picture is that? I may have seen it, is it one of your night pictures?

FIrst off, I am Cameron, Chris' brother. I own the Sammy he talks about. It is SPOA with a small shackle. It rides like ***. I also have one of my ASE certifications in Suspension and Steering, I know what the difference is between SPOA and SPUA. It is sprung and unsprung weight. That is why explorers are SPUA, for the ride quality.

I was unaware of the custom made springs, (i dont like to read that much, it makes my head hurt) i did read the initial post in this thread, and that said 7 leaf waggy springs. I have read to about page 5, skimming over some of the nonsensical posts. I may have missed it, I may have read it.

Like I said, I am not out to start an arguement, I dont know the spring rate for a waggy spring, it just seems like it would be a stiff spring. However, I would still like to see a picture of it flexed out, about to pull a tire off the ground. I am sure you would like to flex it out that much, just to see your hard work in action (I know I would). That is the first thing I am going to do when I finish up my Sammy, flex it out as much as I can to see how my work turned out initially, then I want to hit a trail (hell, I want to hit a trail now, but I still need quite a few parts and a lot of work).

Once again, nice work. I look forward to seeing some more pics and especially some action pics.

 

Tub the bed!!! put some fender tubs...... so u don't spray mudd all over the place when u take it off road.... and get your cooler and stuff nasty..... go to tractor supply and buy some trailer fenders like 50 bucks for the pair and weld them in there and make a back plate for them that'd bee kick ***.....

 

no mud..just trails..if mud on trials then hes gotta do it but no mud..i think thats what he said..

JEy pics look tight...keep workin on them fenders man..the truck is a beast

 

Here you go you pic ***** bastards! I got stuck trying to get in this shot...damn 2 wheel drive doesn't wheel for shiat.





Front springs soft enough? Sorry I have to LOL at the ASE comment, that's classic. O and SOA is spring over axle...wtf is the p for, S Pring Over Axle? lol. (i know i'm an ***, so sue me ) The rear is barely even flexing, i don't have anything bigger to flex it on though.

















and on top of a 31" mt/r again lol.

 

still seems kinda stiff to me but hey what do i know?
wtf you mean by ase being classic?
sorry if i needed to have it for my job
SOA=SPOA thats how it is on the sammy forums

 

dude, tell me, how the fawk are my front springs too stiff, do you see how much travel I have out of them and they arn't even broken in?

I've seen people fail out of automotive classes (at the program i was in) and go and pass the ASE tests haha.

Sammy owners are wrong. heh.

 

settle down kiddies.....anyway very nice job ....... the waggy springs are soft.....thewy are almost as soft at 52" chevy springs this makes me want to go work on my blazer lol..... very nice good job

 

They are too stiff because you did all that work and thats all the flex you have. I would expect that after all that work, you would be able to compress the springs more than that. If the springs compressed like that and were inboarded, it would be amazing how much flex you would have. That is not that much travel, but it is a great improvement over the stock IFS that was there.

It was my first ASE test time, and I had prepared quite a bit for them. I have a few more months and I will have my Associates Degree in Automotive Technology. I have spent a lot of time in school learning everything I can about a vehicle (a lot more in suspension classes, because that interests me more than the rest of the stuff).

Please explain how Sammy owners are wrong, I am very interested in this response.

Why are you trying to start an arguement, I was stating my opinion and trying to discuss something, then you start flaming on me.

How does this sound, if it was my truck with the SFA (solid front axle, just to get rid of confusion) I would want more flex out of it. Maybe take a leaf or 2 out of the pack, or inboard the springs. It is not my truck, this is just an idea, a suggestion, a peice of advise.

I dont know, I guess I am wrong because I own a Zuk. Heh.

 

could this be our problem? in the pics he has the springs look pretty da*n soft for being brand new. maybe waiting till he has a "full flex pic" will stop this madness!!

 

well i'll coment from what i know about my blazer....but if u inboard the springs they flex alot more but i would only ....."ONLY" do that if u didn't drive it on the road... it's already big enuff to flip over doing 50 around a sharp turn...he doesn't need any other things to help kill him.... hell hes probally just happy tyo be able to drive the truck.... but on another note yes it would be more flexy if they were inboard but like i said only if u towed it everywhere...and that includes down the street " like 2 blocks"

 

hows that 3.0 holdin up with all that heavy stuff behind it?

 

pics look unbelivable Jey...now work out the kinks and lets plan a meet..get this thing rollin

 

holy shat good job that thing is sweet

 

Awesome job!!!! Looks huge!!!!!!!!!

 

Ok this thread has gone 36 pages without some stupid *** telling me how to build my truck, and has no experience at what he is telling me to do.

I'm only going to say one thing. My springs are as "inboard" as possible, if you look at any of my fawking pictures, the spring perch is RIGHT NEXT TO THE DIFFERENTIAL on the drivers side, please tell me how i would go about moving it further inboard.

On to today's events. Whine on deceleration was a u-joint in the driveshaft that was wore the slap out. Thank god it wasn't my gears, didn't wanna pull that back apart heh.

Re-positioned drag link above the tie-rod for leaf-spring clerance. Put in a new pinion seal (re-used old one, bad idea). And changed the rear diff fluid, put synthetic back in.









Some stickers. Not too many, just right.

 

it looks huge, here:

 

Nc is "up" from me .

Gonna have tom woods make my d-shaft, with double cardan at the t-case, hopefully it will space it far enough from the t-case so I won't have to modify my crossmember that much.

 

first off aint nobody telling you how to build your truck. i was merely offering suggestions and my opinion on what i saw that could possibly make your truck better. if you cant take any constructive criticism or somebody staing there opinion you need to get off a public forum. and how do you know that i have no experience? betwenn me and my brother we have helped build numerous suspension setups. ranging from swapping yota axles to a sammy to 4links and bags. not to mention that both of us try and learn anything we can about our set ups and others.

2nd i aint stupid. i spend countless hours researching suspension setups and just about anything else to do with trucks. so stupid isnt the word to use. dont get your panties in a wad because somebady offered you a suggestion or thought your springs might be too stiff. your level of stiffness is more than likely different than mine. personally i think theyre too stiff but if you dont than thats cool its your truck. and i hope it turns out to be what you want and expect it to be.

i do have to say that i have lost all respect for you. i thought you were alright at first. doing something different and most important doing it yourself thats the big thing. up until now i respected you but now with you crying over someone offering a suggestion/opinion i think quite different. just because someone has a different opinion than your theyre wrong.
thats a wonderful way to look at it youll go far in life with that attitude.

 

I didn't "wine" and get my panties in a wad because you made a suggestion.

It's because you made an un-realistic suggestion. On a SOA waggy d44, the drivers side spring perch is right next to the pumpkin, in order for me to move the springs any further inboard the spring perch would be on top of the pumpkin! Also, there is only about 3/4" of the spring that is not directly under the frame.

Also, i took your suggestion negatively, because you showed no respect to me, by making statements and criticisms while ADMITTING that you did not read the majority of the thread, and obviously did not know the situation of my design/set-up before "criticising" it.

And if you looked, they are 6-leaf springs, BASED off of waggy load capacity, shortened, 7-5/8" rise, and are softer, since thats how i had them made.

So you lost all respect for me, because you come into my thread making suggestions/criticisms without even reading the whole thread or even bothering to "research" my suspension set-up?

 

theres a waggy 44, now where would mount your inboarded springs on this axle? You dont.

Now, Jey is a ***** for not linking that thing, but..Those springs have about 50 miles on them. I promise you they will have PLENTY of travel. They already do have damn good travel for a brand fawking new spring.

And look at what your saying man, you are living proof that ASE certification doesnt mean dick. I can understand why Jey would be irritated, with the amount of work that is in that truck, and how well put together it is. You really have no right to criticize his work, especially since your opinions, or constructive criticism sound... well, stupid