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*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
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Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
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*The gas engines are much more affordable, especially when buying new.
*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
Back on topic...
Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
Back on topic...
Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
I don't know, when somebody else owns it? It may be going to the curb with a for sale sign. I don't know yet, It's got so many problems, but I love that big ol' brick.
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07-30-2009
looks good John!
I agree, sometimes i wish I would have got a f250 only because of the front axle, able to lift it and the stability of a heavier truck. Would be a bit overkill though. btw i cant believe you said that! i love the 09s!
*The gas engines are much more affordable, especially when buying new.
*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
Back on topic...
Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
Back on topic...
Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
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07-30-2009
*The gas engines are much more affordable, especially when buying new.
*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
Back on topic...
Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
*The gas engines are much cheaper to maintain.
*The gas engines are NOT much less economical, especially compared to the 6.4L. For example, if fuel costs $2.39/gal it costs me ~ $0.14/mile. Add in the 7 quarts of oil [$20] the in the 5.4L crancase holds, the FL820s filter [$4] and air filter FA-1883 [$18] and see how the cost per mile goes up. The new 6.4L doesn't get the mileage numbers diesels of yesterday got. And now with diesel generally being more expensive than unleaded, it takes longer (if ever) to recover the initial buy-in. Then consider the 15 quarts of oil it needs, the FL2016 oil filter [$18], the FD-4609 fuel & water seperator kit [$46], and the FA-1886 air filter [$50], and the actual cost per mile is not as low as many people think. When I bought my 2009, checking that diesel engine check-box added about $7000 onto the truck.
*The gas engines will get the job done.
With that said, I will say this.
*The diesel has more torque.
*Getting diesel at a truck stop is awesome!
Back on topic...
Winks, your F250 looks awesome. Truth be told I like that bodystyle over my '09. Which axle ratio does it have?
i think i just got owned. ha
a diesel does get better fuel mileage while hauling too.
i want to say mid 03? 02? and up were D60 fronts. Maybe thats just the diesel?
I built an 09 too and was amazed a how fast the price jumped. that truck would have a 6.0 in it though so not all of your logic is valid
and I'll most likely be getting a 7.3 which will be even cheaper./hack
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The 6.0L diesels in Winks body style usually get better mileage than the 6.4L and generally feel more "punchy" off the line, mostly due to emissions standards the new diesels have to deal with. Many people complain about the 6.0L, not so much about the power but about the reliability issues. On the other hand one of my buddies who owned one never had a problem. Another one of my friends just bought a '09 F250 with the 6.4L and TorqueShift automatic. I drove it the other day and you can quickly tell it has nearly double the torque of my '09 F250 5.4L. I asked him what kind of mileage he's been getting out of his new 6.4L and he said, "about 13.5" I get very similar mileage out of my truck. But again, I only have roughly half the torque on tap that he does...
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Thanks Mike. We did our research before we looked into them and knew we only needed a gasser. This truck makes me want to double lift the Ranger and throw on some bigger tires. However, I don't want to worry about breaking **** with the smaller axles, and I don't have the ability to do a SAS here on my own.
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I love my diesel. Its way over kill for the towing I do but.
#1 - I got a awesome deal
#2 - Better Mileage
#3 - I don't drive it everyday
#4 - It should last a long *** time!
#5 - Who don't like the sound
#6 - Power
I am going to have to keep this truck for atleast 10 years. So I know right now I have no use for a diesel except for awesome mileage but who knows, I could have a nice jeep, a beater truck, a camper in a couple years ya know? Atleast I know I do not need ot buy a new truck just to buy something heavy.
#1 - I got a awesome deal
#2 - Better Mileage
#3 - I don't drive it everyday
#4 - It should last a long *** time!
#5 - Who don't like the sound
#6 - Power
I am going to have to keep this truck for atleast 10 years. So I know right now I have no use for a diesel except for awesome mileage but who knows, I could have a nice jeep, a beater truck, a camper in a couple years ya know? Atleast I know I do not need ot buy a new truck just to buy something heavy.
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08-02-2009
Sorry, must have missed that one. I have no idea what transmission is in my F250. I tried looking up the build sheet which Trent posted up this week in a different thread, but my VIN isn't working.
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Starting in 2005, Ford began using the Torque Shift transmission. As far as I know, the Torque Shift is used behind all the engines. I'm about 90% sure on this one.
The only drivetrain difference on a '05+ 5.4L Super Duty is the rear differential. It has a 2-pinion design vs the 3-pinion design on the V10 and diesel engine. Also, the V10 with factory 4.30 ring and pinion got a Super 60 front axle. I don't think even the diesel engine got the Super 60 because the only available ratio was/is 3.73. The dual rear wheel trucks could be equiped with the Tow Boss package which netted a diesel engine, the Torque Shift automatic, and 4.30 ring and pinions. These may very well have the Super 60 as well, but I'm not sure. Oh, and the DRW trucks got a Dana 80 rear axle vs the Ford 10.5" in all SRW trucks.
Everything else should be the same no matter the engine. But knowing Ford, there are probably trucks built that defy these general guidelines.
The only drivetrain difference on a '05+ 5.4L Super Duty is the rear differential. It has a 2-pinion design vs the 3-pinion design on the V10 and diesel engine. Also, the V10 with factory 4.30 ring and pinion got a Super 60 front axle. I don't think even the diesel engine got the Super 60 because the only available ratio was/is 3.73. The dual rear wheel trucks could be equiped with the Tow Boss package which netted a diesel engine, the Torque Shift automatic, and 4.30 ring and pinions. These may very well have the Super 60 as well, but I'm not sure. Oh, and the DRW trucks got a Dana 80 rear axle vs the Ford 10.5" in all SRW trucks.
Everything else should be the same no matter the engine. But knowing Ford, there are probably trucks built that defy these general guidelines.
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08-02-2009
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