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I understand that switching to a stiffer coil would fix this, but i really dont want to stiffen up the ride too much. I also know if you pre load a spring too much, it increases the spring rate, is that correct? So it might just be a wash
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Since you guys were asking questions, I got curious and emailed Down South Motorsports. Here is his reply to my email:

Hi Ryan,

We do plenty of these Fox 2.0 coil over conversions for the Ranger and Explorer's so we are quite familiar with the set up. If you have a 4x4 you will need the longer eyelet on the shock to clear the 4wd axle. For the spring rates the price is all the same but if you do not have any added weight now I wouldn't suggest doing anything higher than a 700# coil as it will ride extremely stiff at 750# or 800#. The price for the coils are all the same so you can determine which one you want when your ready place the order. On the shocks you have 2 options for a remote reservoir or a non-reservoir. If you plan to use it off road due the the short amount of travel I would strongly suggest a remote reservoir shock. If the truck is strictly a daily driver you can get away with a non-reservoir shock. There is no extra charge to swap out the lower rod end for the longer one or to custom valve them to suit the Ranger:

Fox 2.0 x 5" travel non-reservoir coil over shock: $206.95 each

Fox 2.0 x 5" travel remote reservoir coil over shock: $260.95 each

Extended lower shock eyelet (to clear the 4wd axle): $35.00 each

Eibach 2.5" ID x 10" coil spring: $71.99 each

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That's exactly what happens, and a heavier weight coil with little preload will cycle better cause it's not binding on itself tho the spring rate is stiffer.
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Got it. So your saying I will likely hit coil bind bind before i bottom the shock?
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Yes it will bind before you fully compress your shock
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Quick question for the superlift guys. Im looking to get a estimated length for the limit straps I need to buy. I dont have the lift on the truck yet so I cant really measure. Im thinking 8-10" but not sure.
I had good luck with 10in straps
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Can you guys refresh my memory what would a "standard" coil over weight be?

I need to compensate for my snow plow
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Can you guys refresh my memory what would a "standard" coil over weight be?

I need to compensate for my snow plow
Read the email Ryan posted about 5 posts above yours.
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Thanks Mike, thats what I was thinking just wasnt sure.
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I'm going to throw a few thoughts out here on spring rates. Maybe this will help people chose their springs.

For a bone-stock truck with or without a Superlift, I would recommend somewhere between 550 and 650 lb spring rates. This is a little personal preference.

The following are add-on rates to whatever you start with:

V8 swap.........100-150
plate bumper...100-150
winch.............50
plow...............150-200

I would consider these rates cumulative, but when adding the larger ones together, go with a number in between the low and high I listed.

For example, a truck with a V8 and a plate bumper with a winch, here's how I would figure:

stock...............600
V8...................125
Plate bumper.....125
Winch................50
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spring rate........900


A truck with just a plate bumper:

stock...............600
Plate bumper.....150
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spring rate........750



Hopefully this will help people figure their desired spring rate. Personal preference comes into play here, so if you want a little stiffer, you can certainly add to these numbers, or if you want a little softer, subtract, but this should give you a decent starting point.


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Here is my main issue though, I love the way it rides on a 600lb spring, but to level the front of the truck up with the back, i have to preload the spring so much, its practically in coil bind sitting under its own weight. so the way i see it, moving up to 650-700 is my only option
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My 700 lb springs were a little stiff but had only a little preload. Was great till I added sliders and bumper and long travel arms just cause to much compression. Now I have 800 lb springs with a 1/4" of preload max and it's great
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I have some 10" 700 lb coils for sale if anyone needs coils
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Read the email Ryan posted about 5 posts above yours.
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Here is my main issue though, I love the way it rides on a 600lb spring, but to level the front of the truck up with the back, i have to preload the spring so much, its practically in coil bind sitting under its own weight. so the way i see it, moving up to 650-700 is my only option
What brand coil are you running? my 650lb eibachs havent sagged at all in 3 years and Ive got 1/2" preload, however I have crappy viper coils on my rear coilovers and they have sagged badly in 4 months.

Dont buy cheap springs!
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I disagree with some of the spring rate stuff going on here I ran 12in 700lb coils with my superlift with a winch, plate bumper, sliders, supercharger, IE lots of weight had them pre loaded but not overly so. the ride was good and gave me plenty ride height.
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What brand coil are you running? my 650lb eibachs havent sagged at all in 3 years and Ive got 1/2" preload, however I have crappy viper coils on my rear coilovers and they have sagged badly in 4 months.

Dont buy cheap springs!

They are two week old king springs. not sure what the deal is. maybe that extra 50lbs makes a pretty big deal
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Indeed they are. Pricing and ordering info is the same as my most recent post containing the info. I actually have a few sets at the welder at the moment.
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They are two week old king springs. not sure what the deal is. maybe that extra 50lbs makes a pretty big deal
That is really strange, a 600lb should not be doing that, do you have pics?
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That is really strange, a 600lb should not be doing that, do you have pics?
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I read someone was having binding issues. Saw this was bumped and re-read my build thread and the for sale thread when I bought my setup.

I don't think I had the binding issue but I did break a coil. I looked at the brand in my thread and it was a 650 hypercoil. DSMS doesn't carry them anymore and when I replaced it I went with the 800lb ones that I originally bought in my kit. The previous guy said he had them valved for 800lb coils and wanted to add armour. I have a feeling mine broke cuz the valving was wrong for the spring. I also noticed in the pics my preload was similar to mr blewregaurd when I ran 650 and less when I swapped to 800 coils. Obviously because they are stronger.

You might have to run a heavier spring rate coil even if you don't want to. Especially if you want the ride height. I also wanted to add neither the 650lb hypercoil brand coils OR the 800lb Kings im running now have sagged. The hypers were on there for a couple years now. The Kings have been on since xmas.


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Eibach is the way to go for springs. Had my 800 lb springs since January and no sagging or anything
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I disagree with some of the spring rate stuff going on here I ran 12in 700lb coils with my superlift with a winch, plate bumper, sliders, supercharger, IE lots of weight had them pre loaded but not overly so. the ride was good and gave me plenty ride height.
Mike, I actually agree with you on going lighter, but most guys around here seem to want the heavier side of the scale. Personally, I'm putting 500 lb coils on my truck that has no added weight. The 600 lb springs were too stiff for me.

I'm starting to also think that the ratings are not accurate accross some of the spring manufacturers. It's the only thing that makes sense when hearing all of the different setups and results.
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