SAS project??
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SAS project??
Ok i'm going to first say what my plans are so far and what I wanna do with my vehicle then hopefully you can answer a couple of my questions based on this info. In about 2 months or maybe a little less i'm planning on sas on my ranger.
The axles i'm planning on running are dana 44 for front leaf sprung and dana 60 rear. I was thinking 4" long travel all pro leafs but not sure if thats the best option. I'm going to be running 37x14x15 tires, 5:13 gears, arb's front and rear, etc... It will be my DD but I'm not the type that rarely goes out and wheels it so it's not gonna be a street queen. What I do is snowy roads with deep snow on them, snow trails and in the summer I do forest type trails and maybe dunes every once in awhile. I probably go up to the snow about every weekend. I want the 37x14's to not look "stuffed" so i want plenty of clearance. Not saying I need rockcrawler clearance and flex but I want a pretty decent amount.
What would you suggest I do if I plan on running these axles as far as suspension/lift setup? Do I use a toyota IFS steering box? I really wanna do leafs since they are of course easier to do. I was looking at this truck and I think that would be close to the amount of lift I want and need but with some 37's on it instead of those 33's he has on it temporarily.
http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...d.php?t=228985
Anything else you would like to talk about that I may not of asked about or discussed, please go ahead.
thanks
The axles i'm planning on running are dana 44 for front leaf sprung and dana 60 rear. I was thinking 4" long travel all pro leafs but not sure if thats the best option. I'm going to be running 37x14x15 tires, 5:13 gears, arb's front and rear, etc... It will be my DD but I'm not the type that rarely goes out and wheels it so it's not gonna be a street queen. What I do is snowy roads with deep snow on them, snow trails and in the summer I do forest type trails and maybe dunes every once in awhile. I probably go up to the snow about every weekend. I want the 37x14's to not look "stuffed" so i want plenty of clearance. Not saying I need rockcrawler clearance and flex but I want a pretty decent amount.
What would you suggest I do if I plan on running these axles as far as suspension/lift setup? Do I use a toyota IFS steering box? I really wanna do leafs since they are of course easier to do. I was looking at this truck and I think that would be close to the amount of lift I want and need but with some 37's on it instead of those 33's he has on it temporarily.
http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...d.php?t=228985
Anything else you would like to talk about that I may not of asked about or discussed, please go ahead.
thanks
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I think that depends on the snow, Zach. From what I've been reading, snow is a lot like mud in the sense that there are different kids. For some snow there's no substitute for flotation, while other conditions require digging to terra-firma.
The requirements of a tire for sand vs. snow can be very different, again depending on the depth and quality of snow.
For all that you've going to need a pretty broad compromise or run different sets of tires.
Some of the snow I've wheeled at Wharton would have been better with narrower tires, but even in that season, you can still break ice and end up in deep mud which wants a wider floatation tire because Wharton mud is "bottomless" -- that is, it's a result of an underground aquifer which makes the water go deep, deep, deep.
That's one of the things that skews tire discussions sometimes: we talk about "pure" wheeling environments when in reality many of us do such a mix there really is no single "best" tire I think.
Being the leaf spring bigot I've been accused rightly of being, lol -- I would suggest taking your time and doing front coils. Better ride when you do street it and long term I think you'd be happier. Many will disagree. What you will find is guys with leafs will defend them, and guys with coils will defend them. I've got coils in the front of my SAS in case you hadn't guessed, lol...
But coils are generally acknowledged as being a better choice up front for a DD offroad truck like mine. High arch front leaf springs are usually much harsher, but perhaps it doesn't matter to you -- it seems not to for some. I'm old though and like my comfort, lol!
The requirements of a tire for sand vs. snow can be very different, again depending on the depth and quality of snow.
For all that you've going to need a pretty broad compromise or run different sets of tires.
Some of the snow I've wheeled at Wharton would have been better with narrower tires, but even in that season, you can still break ice and end up in deep mud which wants a wider floatation tire because Wharton mud is "bottomless" -- that is, it's a result of an underground aquifer which makes the water go deep, deep, deep.
That's one of the things that skews tire discussions sometimes: we talk about "pure" wheeling environments when in reality many of us do such a mix there really is no single "best" tire I think.
Being the leaf spring bigot I've been accused rightly of being, lol -- I would suggest taking your time and doing front coils. Better ride when you do street it and long term I think you'd be happier. Many will disagree. What you will find is guys with leafs will defend them, and guys with coils will defend them. I've got coils in the front of my SAS in case you hadn't guessed, lol...
But coils are generally acknowledged as being a better choice up front for a DD offroad truck like mine. High arch front leaf springs are usually much harsher, but perhaps it doesn't matter to you -- it seems not to for some. I'm old though and like my comfort, lol!
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Hey dude thats my truck you have there in that link.
I used Rancho 44044's for my front leafs and some Chevy 63" leafs with a 2" Shackle lift and a 2" Block for the rear.
I think 37's may be a bit to small for the truck haha it sits pretty tall. I havent really been able to get it on the street for a while, keep running into steering adjustments that need to be made but once i clear it all up this is my DD. All my info is in my sig on parts i used. for the most part at least. i used a D30 not a D44 so that will differ for you but not much.
I used the Yota IFS Steering Box, the steering shaft will need to be custom aswel as alot of other stuff.
I used Rancho 44044's for my front leafs and some Chevy 63" leafs with a 2" Shackle lift and a 2" Block for the rear.
I think 37's may be a bit to small for the truck haha it sits pretty tall. I havent really been able to get it on the street for a while, keep running into steering adjustments that need to be made but once i clear it all up this is my DD. All my info is in my sig on parts i used. for the most part at least. i used a D30 not a D44 so that will differ for you but not much.
I used the Yota IFS Steering Box, the steering shaft will need to be custom aswel as alot of other stuff.
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Hey dude thats my truck you have there in that link.
I used Rancho 44044's for my front leafs and some Chevy 63" leafs with a 2" Shackle lift and a 2" Block for the rear.
I think 37's may be a bit to small for the truck haha it sits pretty tall. I havent really been able to get it on the street for a while, keep running into steering adjustments that need to be made but once i clear it all up this is my DD. All my info is in my sig on parts i used. for the most part at least. i used a D30 not a D44 so that will differ for you but not much.
I used the Yota IFS Steering Box, the steering shaft will need to be custom aswel as alot of other stuff.
I used Rancho 44044's for my front leafs and some Chevy 63" leafs with a 2" Shackle lift and a 2" Block for the rear.
I think 37's may be a bit to small for the truck haha it sits pretty tall. I havent really been able to get it on the street for a while, keep running into steering adjustments that need to be made but once i clear it all up this is my DD. All my info is in my sig on parts i used. for the most part at least. i used a D30 not a D44 so that will differ for you but not much.
I used the Yota IFS Steering Box, the steering shaft will need to be custom aswel as alot of other stuff.
Once I get my **** back going its getting 4" all pros in the rear, and EB coils up front with a d44 and a 9" to run 36" IROKS. So I know how you feel.
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I more question the unit bearings. A jeep non disco 30 I'd guess? My g/f's cherokee hates the 33's on it.
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instead of our steering shaft going into the rack and pinion, you need to make one that goes into the yoda or F150 or w/e you use steering box.
i would say maybe the 5" springs and do high steer.
are you going to do a body lift?
willing to trim the fenders?
Remember, Kevin aka 2002fx4 has the 6" springs and no body lift he had to cut his fenders for 38s.
i would say maybe the 5" springs and do high steer.
are you going to do a body lift?
willing to trim the fenders?
Remember, Kevin aka 2002fx4 has the 6" springs and no body lift he had to cut his fenders for 38s.
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Dont let me offend you when I ask but are you planning on doing this yourself with no guidence or help from anyone else other than this thread ?
If so Ill save you thousands of dollars in therapy , dont try this till you get all your ducks in a row , Ive seen what i would consider experts on this board just want to trash there trucks after undertaking this . It is not a simple axle swap , its very complicated , might I add you need to be very good with welding and fabrication this is not a simple bolt on sorta thing ...
Once again not trying to insult you or take the wind out of your sails , just trying to prepare you for what eeveryone else has been sugar coating ...
If so Ill save you thousands of dollars in therapy , dont try this till you get all your ducks in a row , Ive seen what i would consider experts on this board just want to trash there trucks after undertaking this . It is not a simple axle swap , its very complicated , might I add you need to be very good with welding and fabrication this is not a simple bolt on sorta thing ...
Once again not trying to insult you or take the wind out of your sails , just trying to prepare you for what eeveryone else has been sugar coating ...
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Yah, Cory knows what he needs to do
For me, it's not going to be all that hard, I'm quite good at fab'ing **** so it's nothing new to me... Hopefully if he sells his banshee and trailer he'll be starting on it soon, in which case I'll be able to help him... Shane may also be of assistance as well as Austin!
For me, it's not going to be all that hard, I'm quite good at fab'ing **** so it's nothing new to me... Hopefully if he sells his banshee and trailer he'll be starting on it soon, in which case I'll be able to help him... Shane may also be of assistance as well as Austin!
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Your one of the people I was refering to Ive read your SAS project several times Zack , and from your post your what I would consider highly knowledgeable in the areas needed to do an SAS and like you said you had every thing lined out . Its all those little things that hang you up you know and I dont think is prepaired from what im reading do deal with this thats why I was curious to see if he was getting some help . If for nothing else so he doesnt get hurt during fab or worse from something that failed at highway speed ....
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