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Ford Edge
Bolt Pattern (in): 5x4.50
Bolt Pattern (mm): 5x114.3
Offset Range (mm): 34 to 42
Front Center Bore (mm): 70.6
Rear Center Bore (mm): 70.6
Stud_Size: 1/2x20
next time use this site
www.myboltpattern.com
Bolt Pattern (in): 5x4.50
Bolt Pattern (mm): 5x114.3
Offset Range (mm): 34 to 42
Front Center Bore (mm): 70.6
Rear Center Bore (mm): 70.6
Stud_Size: 1/2x20
next time use this site
www.myboltpattern.com
Last edited by 04RangerDave; 05-09-2012 at 01:07 PM.
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You're probably going to want a 1 1/2" - 2" spacer. You can get them from many wheel sellers, on ebay, etc.
Try to get hub centric if possible. I'm not a fan of lug centric, because it adds shearing forces to the lugs, and can also cause vibrations from imperfect centering of the wheel.
Try to get hub centric if possible. I'm not a fan of lug centric, because it adds shearing forces to the lugs, and can also cause vibrations from imperfect centering of the wheel.
eBay spacers have a nasty habit of shearing and studs failing. Anything other than name brand is a risk I would not be willing to take(less you do ARP extended studs and slip on spacers).
PS most spacers recommend using open ended lug nuts with extended studs or bolt on spacers. Make sure if you are doing any wet climate driving that you take this into account and buy ones that are made of a material that will not rust. I'm told Snow/salt upnorth is hell on open end lug nuts as everything is exposed. Down in Florida my extended studs haven't had much issue with the elements.
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Flipper, you couldn't be more wrong. When the wheels are centered with the hub, the lugs only see clamping force. When they are used to center the wheel, they also become subject to shearing forces. It's that simple. Also, centering with the lugs is not as accurate as centering on the hub. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with someone's ability to mount and torque a wheel.
And the thickness he's going to need for those wheels is definitely going to be in a bolt-on format. Some of the bolt on spacers on ebay are actually quality made. Keep in mind they're not going to be the cheap ones. Whether you get something from ebay or a wheel dealer, you're going to have to pay for the quality ones. For this reason, unless you really like the wheels, I'd say sell them and buy something that fits without spacers.
And the thickness he's going to need for those wheels is definitely going to be in a bolt-on format. Some of the bolt on spacers on ebay are actually quality made. Keep in mind they're not going to be the cheap ones. Whether you get something from ebay or a wheel dealer, you're going to have to pay for the quality ones. For this reason, unless you really like the wheels, I'd say sell them and buy something that fits without spacers.
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Flipper, you couldn't be more wrong. When the wheels are centered with the hub, the lugs only see clamping force. When they are used to center the wheel, they also become subject to shearing forces. It's that simple. Also, centering with the lugs is not as accurate as centering on the hub. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with someone's ability to mount and torque a wheel.
Studs don't move, so they are placed on the hub at the exact same point every time. the nuts are tightened to the hub of the wheel and assuming the wheel is milled properly and the lugs are tightened properly there should not be any movement or play from it being centered. We have never used hub rings on any of our cars.
Even companies who market hub rings say "they can help reduce vibrations"... not "increase clamping force." If you want to believe they are magic, by all means enjoy.
The only time I have seen them improve anything was one XXR brand wheels and other cheap knock offs due to XXR not milling the stud holes proper @ the hub of the wheel.This was a function of a bandage to cure a poorly milled wheel. My wife rolls on 4 Volk Racing wheels that were built only 3-4 years after she was born and to this day still have no need or functionality for hub rings. Spending money on well built wheels will last 2 decades no problem.... hub rings or not.
hell even some of our Race cars even ran MR gasket Flat non hub centric spacers to non hub centric drag wheels with drag tires(with screws in them to make sure the tire did separate from the wheel on launch)..... not one fear of them having problems, even when the car lifted the front tires to the point where you were looking head on into the sky instead of down the strip.
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LOL. I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest with you, flipper, but yes, I am sure about it. I've been building all kinds of cars for 25+ years myself, and I also know quite a bit about engineering and physics.
Nowhere did I say that rings increase clamping force, that's your inability to read thoroughly. I said the lack of them puts a shearing force on the lugs. And yes, they primarily reduce vibrations. Why? Because they more accurately center the wheel on the hub. Period. Add to these facts, we're talking about spacing the wheel out over an inch beyond the hub. You've now put even more strain on everything, so making sure it's properly lined up becomes more important.
If you feel the need to argue more over this, start another thread instead of jacking this one.
Nowhere did I say that rings increase clamping force, that's your inability to read thoroughly. I said the lack of them puts a shearing force on the lugs. And yes, they primarily reduce vibrations. Why? Because they more accurately center the wheel on the hub. Period. Add to these facts, we're talking about spacing the wheel out over an inch beyond the hub. You've now put even more strain on everything, so making sure it's properly lined up becomes more important.
If you feel the need to argue more over this, start another thread instead of jacking this one.
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LOL. I'm not going to get into a dick measuring contest with you, flipper, but yes, I am sure about it. I've been building all kinds of cars for 25+ years myself, and I also know quite a bit about engineering and physics.
Nowhere did I say that rings increase clamping force, that's your inability to read thoroughly. I said the lack of them puts a shearing force on the lugs. And yes, they primarily reduce vibrations. Why? Because they more accurately center the wheel on the hub. Period. Add to these facts, we're talking about spacing the wheel out over an inch beyond the hub. You've now put even more strain on everything, so making sure it's properly lined up becomes more important.
If you feel the need to argue more over this, start another thread instead of jacking this one.
Nowhere did I say that rings increase clamping force, that's your inability to read thoroughly. I said the lack of them puts a shearing force on the lugs. And yes, they primarily reduce vibrations. Why? Because they more accurately center the wheel on the hub. Period. Add to these facts, we're talking about spacing the wheel out over an inch beyond the hub. You've now put even more strain on everything, so making sure it's properly lined up becomes more important.
If you feel the need to argue more over this, start another thread instead of jacking this one.
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I happen to be an engineer and specialize in chemical make ups of metals for use in pressure vessels. (see fuel storage tanks, oil/water separators, ect)
You are happy believing that this is going to stop your studs from breaking, by all means, it is fine(not like they are really all that expensive anyway). I have seen decades of proof to suggest that they are not needed, but if it helps you sleep at night it is all good.
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