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Swampdonky Sep 15, 2007 12:09 PM

3.0 please help
 
Hello,

When I cold start my 99 ranger it knocks pretty bad but goes away after about 5 minutes of driving. Also when I first start it i hear a squeeking noise, and ive already changed the belt. After reading many threads on this forum im begging to think its my camshaft synchro or position censor. My question is, what is the difference between the two? And where is the cps? If anyone could help me out, or show me a guide on how to change these out that would be great.

99 3.0 100k

04 EDGE Sep 15, 2007 03:48 PM

that sensor is also the oil pump drive. it somewhat looks like a distributor but has a sensor on the top. this is probley your problem, its very common on 3.0's!

Jazz921 Sep 17, 2007 01:20 PM

My 2000 did that at first and now I get that noise almost all the time. It runs really rough sometimes until I just floor it and blow the crap out of it and then it runs great again and will sometiems throw missfire codes. The 99 and 00 have the same 3.0 dont they? I dont think there are any differences but you know how Ford loves to change things.

Mark98xlt Sep 17, 2007 11:12 PM

change your cam syncro and put a new cps in, this is what caused the 3.0 in my 98 to blow and lock up back in may.

Jazz921 Sep 18, 2007 10:47 AM

did yours have the symptoms that we have described? My engine has 239K on it and im sure replacing those wont hurt me.

V8 Level II Sep 18, 2007 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Swampdonky
After reading many threads on this forum im begging to think its my camshaft synchro or position censor. My question is, what is the difference between the two?

The synchronizer is the housing and gear drive that fits where a conventional distributor would have been on an earlier version of the engine. The camshaft position (CMP) sensor is mounted on top of it. As mentioned before, a total failure of the synchronizer means that the oil pump loses its drive. Engine time.

When the synchronizer is removed, the CMP must be retimed to the engine, similar to timing a distributor. A special tool will locate the synchronizer drive in the correct position when #1 is at TDC, compression stroke.

Be sure to get the right kind. Ford changed the CMP from a 3-wire Hall Effect sensor to a 2-wire Variable Reluctance sensor around 1999.

Although they vary from engine to engine, this is generally what it looks like when removed.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/at...ntid=577&stc=1

Swampdonky Sep 21, 2007 03:53 PM

Hey thanks alot guys, I really appreciate it.

RentonRanger Sep 21, 2007 09:47 PM

Is this something that is DIY friendly, or do I need to have a mechanic do it?

mj550 Sep 24, 2007 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by RentonRanger
Is this something that is DIY friendly, or do I need to have a mechanic do it?

I would think it would be a little bit of a pain finding TDC on cylinder #1. The theory is easy, but probably just time consuming.

Jazz921 Sep 25, 2007 06:37 AM

I changed my cam sensor and syncro last night. Took me about an hour and a half and it was done. Took the plenum off for better access and didnt time anything, just made sure to put the new one back just as the old one was and it runs so much better. I have more power now and it runs so much smoother.

Prerunner-Ranger Jun 24, 2008 04:19 PM

Should I change both of them or just the sensor?

I was told just the sensor...

Earl43P Jun 25, 2008 06:36 AM

If it's "chirping", replace the entire synchro assembly (See RWenzing's photo above).

You may want to do some searching; I recall a series of threads relating that some aftermarket brands (Dorman?) had quality issues (chintzy washer). It may be prudent to get this part from Ford, despite the higher cost. If it fails (gear strips), you lose oil pressure and the engine may seize.

GSU4x4 Jun 25, 2008 08:49 AM

My camshaft postion sensor went out around 80,000 miles on my 98 3.0, locked the motor & and the tranny...$5200, re-built engine and tranny later I was riding again, I would def get them replaced now before she blows.

Prerunner-Ranger Jun 25, 2008 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Earl43P (Post 991029)
If it's "chirping", replace the entire synchro assembly (See RWenzing's photo above).

You may want to do some searching; I recall a series of threads relating that some aftermarket brands (Dorman?) had quality issues (chintzy washer). It may be prudent to get this part from Ford, despite the higher cost. If it fails (gear strips), you lose oil pressure and the engine may seize.

Mine isn't chirping, it isn't making any noises at all actually. So should I just replace the sensors as a preventive maintenance measure?

whippersnapper02 Jun 25, 2008 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Prerunner-Ranger (Post 991302)
Mine isn't chirping, it isn't making any noises at all actually. So should I just replace the sensors as a preventive maintenance measure?

I would. Cheap insurance.

Prerunner-Ranger Jun 25, 2008 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by fddriver02 (Post 991307)
I would. Cheap insurance.

Awesome, thanks Christian.

I've looked them up on rockauto and it looks like my part would be:

MOTORCRAFT Part # WPT552
Black; 2 Leads

$27.79 $0.00 $27.79

Does this sound right?

whippersnapper02 Jun 25, 2008 01:42 PM

Not sure. Check it on Motorcraft's website.

Prerunner-Ranger Jun 25, 2008 01:46 PM

The only other option I have is:

MOTORCRAFT Part # WPT759 {#3U2Z14S411SLA}
Round Terminals; Black; 2 Leads

$22.79 $0.00 $22.79

I'll try to figure out the difference in the two.

Roach2004 Jun 25, 2008 02:21 PM

Here is a good thread on replacing it:

http://www.rangerpowersports.com/for...d.php?t=226230


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