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Every gasoline pump has a sign that tells you to turn off the engine while refueling. So does your owners manual.
EXACTLY!!

There are just stubborn, thick skulled individuals that just seem to have no respect for rules and policies. I guess it makes them feel more important or something. When I'm filling up at a gas station and I see someone else with their vehicle running, I politely tell them that they should shut the engine off. Usually it works and they act as if they "forgot". .......then there's the 1% of @ssholes that fly off the handle.
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This is so weird, I haven't seen this since I lived in northern Idaho. Personally, I never fill my truck when the engine is running because I log my MPG and I don't want to ruin it. My '02 Navigator has an overhead console and usually around town I can get 13-14mpg, but when I left it running trying to jumpstart my girlfriend's car ('05 Accord) it dropped down to 6.6mpg...yikes!!
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Fueling a vehicle with the engine running has no effect at all on your MPG. Jump starting another vehicle also has no effect on you MPG. I think you are getting confused.
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It's a given, anytime you are sitting with the engine running = 0 MPG.
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Right. And the amount of time spent at idle while fueling or jump starting someone is so short, it is a non-isse. You probably use more gas starting it than you idling for a few minutes.
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Right. And the amount of time spent at idle while fueling or jump starting someone is so short, it is a non-isse. You probably use more gas starting it than you idling for a few minutes.
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This is so weird, I haven't seen this since I lived in northern Idaho. Personally, I never fill my truck when the engine is running because I log my MPG and I don't want to ruin it. My '02 Navigator has an overhead console and usually around town I can get 13-14mpg, but when I left it running trying to jumpstart my girlfriend's car ('05 Accord) it dropped down to 6.6mpg...yikes!!
LMAO........

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Idling for 5 minutes while you fill up will use .0275 gallons of gas on 4.0. That is not a measurable amount of usable fuel and will have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on your MPG calculations. Jump starting someone's car takes what... 2 minutes? Oh boy...... .011 gallons.

So I guess you can lower your BS flag in shame now.
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Idling for 5 minutes while you fill up will use .0275 gallons of gas on 4.0. That is not a measurable amount of usable fuel and will have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on your MPG calculations. Jump starting someone's car takes what... 2 minutes? Oh boy...... .011 gallons.

So I guess you can lower your BS flag in shame now.
That is .0275 gallons of gas that could have been allocated for better use, IMO. I'll reiterate: "While sitting there idling, you are getting 0 (ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH) Miles Per Gallon." Will it effect your entire tank at a gaugable amount? Probably not, however the matter of the fact, you are wasting fuel. It is like traffic, you will always use more gas going the same route sitting in traffic vs. the same route void traffic. Idling wastes gas,. (period).

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Right. And the amount of time spent at idle while fueling or jump starting someone is so short, it is a non-isse. You probably use more gas starting it than you idling for a few minutes.
You know, this is funny because if I am running low on fuel, I will shut my car off at a known long stop light. Guess what, it uses less gas than if I had sat there idling for 5 minutes. Fuel injection is surprisingly efficient these days when it comes to starting up.

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Well it's not a fire hazzard leaving your engine running. Like stated before, it's the static electricity. Even with your car off, you can create static electricity by getting in/out of the truck/car.

I don't mind idling, I'd rather idle than restart my truck...I'd rather spend 25 cents in gas than wear and tear on the starter/battery...thats my thinking
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Bull. You didn't measure anything. You are making that up. You have no idea how much fuel you used starting up. Neither do I, which is why I used the word "probably" in my statement. You're grasping at straws now and are making up facts from thin air to argue your losing battle. You're also not very good at driving if you let yourself get that low on fuel which doesn't lend much reassurance to your point of view.

Bottom line remains, idling for 2-5 minutes while fueling or jump starting someone is not wasting anything and I have proven this with actual facts and numbers.
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That is .0275 gallons of gas that could have been allocated for better use, IMO.
Do you realize that is like $0.05 worth of gas?

When you are stopped at traffic lights idling you waste way more gas then that each and every day most likely...
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Wow guys. Let's just turn this thread into a pissfight.
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Idling for 5 minutes while you fill up will use .0275 gallons of gas on 4.0. That is not a measurable amount of usable fuel and will have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on your MPG calculations. Jump starting someone's car takes what... 2 minutes? Oh boy...... .011 gallons.

So I guess you can lower your BS flag in shame now.
.0275 gallons.....a conservative guess of 200 million registered cars in the US alone.....now it's 55,000 gallons of wasted gas each time people fill up.

Not so insignificant now, eh? I'm far from a tree hugger, but we gotta start conserving, I've lived in that hellhole too long to send myself or anyone back there.

Just to clarify this is not meant towards individual fuel economy, just the big picture. I agree, your MPG is hardly affected.

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I leave my truck idle when fueling and I fire up the lawn mower and the weed whacker in the bed just for good measure. Of course when some one tells me to shut everything off at the gas station I tell them that they should drive/fuel their car/truck and I will drive/fuel my car/truck!
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I leave my truck running, while i fill it up and the cans in the bed and the two in the front seat while talking on a cell phone smoking a cigarette and lighting a sparkler for my son.

Oh yeah and i forgot about my quad in the bed idleing too. Just so its warmed up when i get to the trails.
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In that second video, the cell phone had nothing to do with the fire. Whoever made the titles for the video is an idiot.


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.0275 gallons.....a conservative guess of 200 million registered cars in the US alone.....now it's 55,000 gallons of wasted gas each time people fill up.

Not so insignificant now, eh? I'm far from a tree hugger, but we gotta start conserving, I've lived in that hellhole too long to send myself or anyone back there.

Just to clarify this is not meant towards individual fuel economy, just the big picture. I agree, your MPG is hardly affected.
Yes, it is insignificant. 5x more gas is wasted by people with remote starters who fire the car up 10 minutes early every morning in the winter. The car starting up cold and sitting there is using A LOT more gas than a warm engine idling at the gas pump. And there's a lot more doing that than there are leaving the car running at the gas pumps. So more people doing it plus more gas used in the process.

So compared to all the other things that a lot more people do with their car, it is very insignificant. Spit in the ocean.
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In that second video, the cell phone had nothing to do with the fire. Whoever made the titles for the video is an idiot.



Yes, it is insignificant. 5x more gas is wasted by people with remote starters who fire the car up 10 minutes early every morning in the winter. The car starting up cold and sitting there is using A LOT more gas than a warm engine idling at the gas pump. And there's a lot more doing that than there are leaving the car running at the gas pumps. So more people doing it plus more gas used in the process.

So compared to all the other things that a lot more people do with their car, it is very insignificant. Spit in the ocean.

55k gallons of gas insignificant? Just b/c one wrong is bigger than another does not make that other a right. We're not talking other stupid wastefull habits here, stick to the topic. I would not support any wasteful habit.

I'm not sure I'm clear on your point....so you think people should leave cars running when refueling? Or at the very least you don't think it matters?
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55k gallons of gas insignificant? Just b/c one wrong is bigger than another does not make that other a right. We're not talking other stupid wastefull habits here, stick to the topic. I would not support any wasteful habit.

I'm not sure I'm clear on your point....so you think people should leave cars running when refueling? Or at the very least you don't think it matters?
Sorry. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. I'm not encouraging people to do it, just pointing out that there is nothing overly dangerous or wasteful about if someone chooses to do it. The whole reason I brought it up was because someone claimed it ruined their fuel mileage which is obviously incorrect.
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Sorry. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. I'm not encouraging people to do it, just pointing out that there is nothing overly dangerous or wasteful about if someone chooses to do it. The whole reason I brought it up was because someone claimed it ruined their fuel mileage which is obviously incorrect.
x2 I have to agree with fireranger here. Should you let it run? No. Does it hurt your fuel economy ? No.



buckgnarly, You are arguing the whole save the world deal, and you don't know where others are conserving that you are not. For example I may idle my truck when fueling, but only have florescent light bulbs in my house. You may shut your truck off when you fuel and not have a single florescent light bulb in yours.

Everyone has his or her own way to save the world, and you'll never see everyone agree on one way. If you could achieve that, then we'd have world peace.


Maybe we should argue why more people don't use solar power in their homes? No matter how "clean" You burn coal it still pollutes the environment. And for Nuclear plants oh how clean they are

And before you start...No I am not changing the topic just using these other ideas to prove a point.
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Not a good idea, due to evap reasons and static electricity would be my answer. Why would you leave your vehicle running while filling up? You're getting 0MPG while sitting there filling up, if it's because you just like to watch your gas gauge then just leave the ignition in the "ON" position and it'll work exactly the same as having the engine running. BTW, Has anybody ever heard of the horror stories of static electricity causing fires at the pump? Do a google search if you need more convincing.
a running engine doesnt cause static discharge.
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Right. And the amount of time spent at idle while fueling or jump starting someone is so short, it is a non-isse. You probably use more gas starting it than you idling for a few minutes.
Dear god how I hate this illogical belief. With modern fuel injected vehicles you'll use less fuel to start the engine than idling for 10 seconds.

Even with old carbed engines you couldnt idle for a minute on the ammount of gas used to start it, even if it were out of tune.

The worst thing you are doing by re-starting your engine is dumping a bit of unburnt fuel into your cats and putting more wear on your starter.
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I leave my truck idle when fueling and I fire up the lawn mower and the weed whacker in the bed just for good measure. Of course when some one tells me to shut everything off at the gas station I tell them that they should drive/fuel their car/truck and I will drive/fuel my car/truck!
lmao!!!

anyways the only times ive left the car idling is when either my battery was dying, or one time i was in my 91 civic in wyoming in the dead of winter and didnt think the damn thing had enough cold cranking amps to start again.
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Ya know, this was a post about why a truck idled rough or died while filling up. That question was answered with "the evap system". The rest of this thread is just pissing in the wind. I expected more from a moderator.
No, the thread evolved into a more indepth discussion about matter perfectly relevent to the topic at hand. The pros and cons of doing what the OP was asking about i perfectly legitimate to this thread.

But since you expect me to do something about posts not related or neccessary, my first act will be deleting your reply and seeing if you have any other posts anywhere else in the forum that aren't neccessary or off-topic.
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