About to do Compression Test: P0301 & P0305
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About to do Compression Test: P0301 & P0305
I have a 2000 Ranger V6 3.0L Flexfuel that is a tad bit rough at idle/stops, otherwise runs ok. Just picked up a compression test kit at Harbor Freight and will wait for sun light out tomorrow to test all the cylinders in accordance to these instructions.
So far, I have only Ω'ed out the coil pack. Connector-side and and plug wires-side both check out. I figure if I get bad compression, I am going to have to evaluate if I wish to go further with the investment in lower engine mechanical repair. If I get good compression, then I'll approach it as a tune-up. But if I start throwing parts at it right away (new sparks, wires, coil pack, fuel filter, etc.), I won't be approaching the job in the most economical way. I'll update this tomorrow.
Sound strategy?
EDITS w/Additional Details:
So far, I have only Ω'ed out the coil pack. Connector-side and and plug wires-side both check out. I figure if I get bad compression, I am going to have to evaluate if I wish to go further with the investment in lower engine mechanical repair. If I get good compression, then I'll approach it as a tune-up. But if I start throwing parts at it right away (new sparks, wires, coil pack, fuel filter, etc.), I won't be approaching the job in the most economical way. I'll update this tomorrow.
Sound strategy?
EDITS w/Additional Details:
- Mileage +165k
- CEL doesn't come on
- Scan shows P0301 & P0305 DTC's
Last edited by DiepBotchery; 01-03-2021 at 07:38 AM.
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Sound strategy
Compression is mechanical so once ruled out you can look at spark and injectors, so yes it is economical choice
3.0l Vulcan engine runs 9.3:1 compression ratio, so expected dry test/cold engine would be 160-170psi, but depends on compression gauge calibration, which is why you need to test all cylinders first, that will give you calibration for the new gauge
Actual PSI number is dependent on battery voltage, starter motor speed, altitude above sea level, and gauge itself, so you are looking for stable average, not high numbers
Once you have the stable average then you can see if any cylinders deviate from that average
Also keep spark plugs in order after removal, their tips may show you a hint if a problem is found in one or two cylinders
Compression is mechanical so once ruled out you can look at spark and injectors, so yes it is economical choice
3.0l Vulcan engine runs 9.3:1 compression ratio, so expected dry test/cold engine would be 160-170psi, but depends on compression gauge calibration, which is why you need to test all cylinders first, that will give you calibration for the new gauge
Actual PSI number is dependent on battery voltage, starter motor speed, altitude above sea level, and gauge itself, so you are looking for stable average, not high numbers
Once you have the stable average then you can see if any cylinders deviate from that average
Also keep spark plugs in order after removal, their tips may show you a hint if a problem is found in one or two cylinders
Last edited by RonD; 01-02-2021 at 11:24 AM.
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I updated the OP with the mileage (+165K) and thanks for the encouraging words. A little FYI on this Ranger, I just picked it up on the cheap and will decide to keep it or let it go depending on if it passes or fails the compression testing. Passes, keep and fix misfire + tune-up. Fails, let it go. Previous owner tells me he didn't change the coil pack or wires. He said he did change the spark on cylinder 1.
So......no update. I got all the plugs out and they looked good (see below), new even. Anyhow, I could not get the compression kit's hose to thread into the engine block. Just couldn't get the proper angle on it to bite within the cramp space and on account that the hose is rather long. Spent 45mins-1hour trying to thread onto cylinder 1 and 6 (the easy to access ones) and could NOT pull it off. A combination of good ol' Ford engineering, making components hard to get to, Chinese HF tools, and having short big arms made it impossible. Went to different stores looking for a longer compression adapter or a M14 riser. No luck. Ended up renting a compression test kit at Autozone and will stack compression testing adapters so I can get better leverage to complete the job. Will report back tomorrow.
Anecdote with one of the sparks and visual inspection in the spoiler.
So......no update. I got all the plugs out and they looked good (see below), new even. Anyhow, I could not get the compression kit's hose to thread into the engine block. Just couldn't get the proper angle on it to bite within the cramp space and on account that the hose is rather long. Spent 45mins-1hour trying to thread onto cylinder 1 and 6 (the easy to access ones) and could NOT pull it off. A combination of good ol' Ford engineering, making components hard to get to, Chinese HF tools, and having short big arms made it impossible. Went to different stores looking for a longer compression adapter or a M14 riser. No luck. Ended up renting a compression test kit at Autozone and will stack compression testing adapters so I can get better leverage to complete the job. Will report back tomorrow.
Anecdote with one of the sparks and visual inspection in the spoiler.
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Nevermind. If I get this compression tester threading thing solved or if the rubber adapters work out, it will be small effort to also perform a wet compression test. I'll just use a turkey baster to add in the oil for the wet test. Then I can make a more informed decision from there.
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Its odd that kit didn't work, are the inserts hitting head or exhaust manifold?
No, on the rubber plug, very hard to get accurate readings above 100psi holding the rubber plug against spark plug hole
You can certainly try it
Problem is the "hard to get at" ones will probably show lower compression numbers because of weak seal, so hard to diagnose
Compression test is about the consistency at the time of the test, outside temp, engine temp, battery voltage, starter motor crank speed and gauge
If you tested an engine and then tested it a month later it would show different numbers, depending on the above, but thats OK because its not about the exact number its about the comparison between the cylinders for that one test
No, on the rubber plug, very hard to get accurate readings above 100psi holding the rubber plug against spark plug hole
You can certainly try it
Problem is the "hard to get at" ones will probably show lower compression numbers because of weak seal, so hard to diagnose
Compression test is about the consistency at the time of the test, outside temp, engine temp, battery voltage, starter motor crank speed and gauge
If you tested an engine and then tested it a month later it would show different numbers, depending on the above, but thats OK because its not about the exact number its about the comparison between the cylinders for that one test
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In the kit I got, the adapters are different than the picture in the link shown (see pic below). Firstly, the adapters I got are shorter and made of brass. Also, they don't have the hex head as show in the picture. Instead, they have knurling on all but the M18 adapter. If it had the hex head, I would have used a socket and small piece of paper towel to keep it from falling out of the socket to get it in. Box says it comes with the M10, M12, M14, M18 adapter. So the M14 adapter has to be the 3rd largest one. I lined up the threads on that adapter to one of the plugs and lines up in terms of size and threads. Incorrect angle/leverage, shoulder on the adapter being too wide, I don't know. Couldn't get a single thread to bite. Hopefully, stacking the adapter with the rented one from Autozone helps move things along (the chrome adapter in the picture). Or, I might have exchange this kit for another one with the other SKU's in this line-up.
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No, on the rubber plug, very hard to get accurate readings above 100psi holding the rubber plug against spark plug hole
You can certainly try it
Problem is the "hard to get at" ones will probably show lower compression numbers because of weak seal, so hard to diagnose
Compression test is about the consistency at the time of the test, outside temp, engine temp, battery voltage, starter motor crank speed and gauge
If you tested an engine and then tested it a month later it would show different numbers, depending on the above, but thats OK because its not about the exact number its about the comparison between the cylinders for that one test
No, on the rubber plug, very hard to get accurate readings above 100psi holding the rubber plug against spark plug hole
You can certainly try it
Problem is the "hard to get at" ones will probably show lower compression numbers because of weak seal, so hard to diagnose
Compression test is about the consistency at the time of the test, outside temp, engine temp, battery voltage, starter motor crank speed and gauge
If you tested an engine and then tested it a month later it would show different numbers, depending on the above, but thats OK because its not about the exact number its about the comparison between the cylinders for that one test
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Welp, it is not looking good. The cranking seemed to be very weak during the dry test; anything to make of this?
Here are the single-pass dry test results:
EDIT:
I wasn't able to get the compression tester to bite even in the slightest. I went to HF and swapped it out for the Quick Connect version where there are individual short hose adapters for each of the spark thread sizes. Even still, I couldn't get the proper angle/leverage to get it to work. Thankfully, I still had the rented compression tester from Autozone. The threads on the adapter with this kit are longer. So I coupled that adapter to the end of the HF adapter hose, then it went in easily. Quite possible the HF compression testers won't work on this engine as the threads are really short. I think you'll need an adapter in all cases no matter what HF compression tester you use.
Here are the single-pass dry test results:
- 60 PSI (P0301)
- 92 PSI
- 105 PSI
- 120 PSI
- 32 PSI (P0305)
- 107 PSI
EDIT:
I wasn't able to get the compression tester to bite even in the slightest. I went to HF and swapped it out for the Quick Connect version where there are individual short hose adapters for each of the spark thread sizes. Even still, I couldn't get the proper angle/leverage to get it to work. Thankfully, I still had the rented compression tester from Autozone. The threads on the adapter with this kit are longer. So I coupled that adapter to the end of the HF adapter hose, then it went in easily. Quite possible the HF compression testers won't work on this engine as the threads are really short. I think you'll need an adapter in all cases no matter what HF compression tester you use.
Last edited by DiepBotchery; 01-04-2021 at 08:53 PM.
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Slow crank speed will lower the numbers, metal valves on metal seats and metal rings against metal cylinder walls are NOT good air tight seals, lol, nor do they need to be at 200rpm(cranking speed), or running RPM 700-5,000rpm
But if cranking speed drops so do the numbers, and pretty fast
But you got usable numbers, and the reason for the misfire codes, 60 and 32
You can do a WET test to confirm its not a ring issue, numbers will always go up on WET test just not up to 101psi, your average, on cylinders with bad valve seals
I see new heads in your future
But if cranking speed drops so do the numbers, and pretty fast
But you got usable numbers, and the reason for the misfire codes, 60 and 32
You can do a WET test to confirm its not a ring issue, numbers will always go up on WET test just not up to 101psi, your average, on cylinders with bad valve seals
I see new heads in your future
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Will do another dry compression test again tomorrow as a sanity check to see if I get different numbers at mid day. I don't expect the diagnosis to be any different. Just want to see if i get different PSI readings at mid day outdoor temperatures. Will do the "good" cylinders first (2, 3, 4, & 6), then do the two bad cylinders (1 & 5). Then quickly will wet test 1 & 5, finally will wet test the remaining cylinders for good measure. EDIT: That doesn't make any sense. Will just do each cylinder one at a time: dry test first, then wet test before moving to the next cylinder. That is, as long as it doesn't rain tomorrow.
The good news is that I think this proves that this is the most economical way to DIY diagnose a P030x DTC. I think others would have thrown dough away on these parts:
Yeah, LoLoL! I must be a bit twisted. I should dump this right now. But I am thinking of fixing it if it is just the heads. Keep your fingers crossed for me that it isn't the piston rings :{
The good news is that I think this proves that this is the most economical way to DIY diagnose a P030x DTC. I think others would have thrown dough away on these parts:
- Spark plugs: $5.00 each
- Spark wires: $40.00
- Ignition coil: $100
Yeah, LoLoL! I must be a bit twisted. I should dump this right now. But I am thinking of fixing it if it is just the heads. Keep your fingers crossed for me that it isn't the piston rings :{
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Well, I managed to only do cylinder 1 before realizing the turkey baster method wasn't a good idea. Oil got everywhere. Will get some tubing and a small funnel for the rest of the cylinders. But here is what I got:
So it went up a little like you said, but no where near my average of 101 PSI. Piston rings?
EDIT: Probably will have to get an average across all cylinders before making the determination of head vs. piston rings.
- Cold/Dry = 60 PSI
- Cold/Wet = 75 PSI
So it went up a little like you said, but no where near my average of 101 PSI. Piston rings?
EDIT: Probably will have to get an average across all cylinders before making the determination of head vs. piston rings.
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I use a drinking straw to add oil to spark plug hole, i.e. Burger King, McDonalds, ect.......
Drip straw in oil, put finger over top, lift straw out
Put straw in spark plug hole, remove finger
Use a teaspoon of oil, it isn't that much, you can see how much that is by dipping the straw and letting it drain into a teaspoon(regular spoon), then you will know the "dip depth", lol
Drip straw in oil, put finger over top, lift straw out
Put straw in spark plug hole, remove finger
Use a teaspoon of oil, it isn't that much, you can see how much that is by dipping the straw and letting it drain into a teaspoon(regular spoon), then you will know the "dip depth", lol
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