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Not to sure but I think this guy knows more than God himself!!!
Well I seriously doubt that...lol....
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i was being very sarcastic
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Well I seriously doubt that...lol....
I didnt mean it like that i should have said that he thinks he does sorry. I was typing fast and didnt think about what i was sayin
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COnsidering I've seen videos of Nick's truck I would bet that he knows a little something about the tuning and engineering skills needed to really make that EE kit's eaton sing... and lemme tell you, his truck is no slouch. You will not be disappointed with the EE kit.
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i was thinkin of aftercooling/intercooling (wuts the difference between the two?). but i wasnt sure how this supercharger would respond to that. well, now that the new mustang is out with my engine in it, i think ill wait till some bigger company comes out with sumthing. who knows, by the time im able to afford this stuff it may be out (goin back to the real money making in a month)
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Not to sure but I think this guy knows more than God himself!!! When you decide to try the 90 or 112 over the 62 think about it this way... IT TAKES POWER TO MAKE POWER THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO USE MORE HP FROM YOUR ROTATING ASSEMBLY TO MAKE ANY BOOST FEASABLE FOR GOOD HP#S... ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS THE 112 WAS DESIGNED FOR A V8 ENGINE AND UNLESS YOU HAVE VERY BIG CYLINDERS ON YOUR V6 YOU WILL MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF INEFFICIENT BOOST AND ALSO THIS RESULTS IN A BUNCH OF HEAT TOO... HMM WHOSE NOT USING THEIR OVERENGINEERED NOGGIN???????? NOT THAT IM MAD I JUST HAVE ALWAYS SAID "DONT KNOCK IT TIL U TRY IT" AND IF U WANNA TRY IT LETS MEET UP... OH YEA ONE MORE THING THE EE KIT IS CAPABLE OF BEING INTERCOOLED BECAUSE GUESS WHAT I HAVE ONE AND ILL BET SOME OF U GUYS CANT SEE CHARGE TEMPS OF 70 DEGREES FAR. JUST VOICING MY OPINION AINT THAT WHAT WE ARE ALL HERE FOR?????

Sorry bro, my money is on D. Until you show some timeslips that prove otherwise I'll never believe you run better than a 9.5 in the 1/8 and I can tell you that D can beat that N/A so why don't you put up or shut up because I know he never backs down from a race.
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Not to sure but I think this guy knows more than God himself!!!
I might. Ya never know. Then again, teh Almighty blessed me with a concious that tells me everyday HE is ontop, Not I.

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When you decide to try the 90 or 112 over the 62 think about it this way...
I don't have to THINK, I have seen the results from my own MP90 back in July of 03. I've seen the results of McKlevey and Dougs ongoing experiments... **** Doug designed the current fuel system I run.
Dyno charts dont lie bro, Doug and McKlevey prove the 112 is QUITE effective with even LOW boost levels.

[QUOTE=NicksterSVT]IT TAKES POWER TO MAKE POWER THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO USE MORE HP FROM YOUR ROTATING ASSEMBLY TO MAKE ANY BOOST FEASABLE FOR GOOD HP#S...

Thus compensation from innercooling effects such as a water/Menthahol injection.

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ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS THE 112 WAS DESIGNED FOR A V8 ENGINE AND UNLESS YOU HAVE VERY BIG CYLINDERS ON YOUR V6 YOU WILL MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF INEFFICIENT BOOST AND ALSO THIS RESULTS IN A BUNCH OF HEAT TOO... HMM WHOSE NOT USING THEIR OVERENGINEERED NOGGIN????????
Hmm.. apparently your the last word on design flaws? I think some of teh smaller spools out there like a T4 or T5 were designed for 4 bangers, teaming a pair up against a v6 isn't a good idea then? I guess your against the grain of what HotRodding is all about?

Your member profile here says otherwise. I don't doubt others credentials, I feel 4 grand could be better spent for 75 ponies.

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NOT THAT IM MAD I JUST HAVE ALWAYS SAID "DONT KNOCK IT TIL U TRY IT
You blast others in reguards to putting an M112 on a sohc...

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AND IF U WANNA TRY IT LETS MEET UP... OH YEA ONE MORE THING THE EE KIT IS CAPABLE OF BEING INTERCOOLED BECAUSE GUESS WHAT I HAVE ONE AND ILL BET SOME OF U GUYS CANT SEE CHARGE TEMPS OF 70 DEGREES FAR. JUST VOICING MY OPINION AINT THAT WHAT WE ARE ALL HERE FOR?????
So.. you have an EE Kit ( shrug ) not my fault ya wasted 4grand.

If you wish to go off and berate others in comparrison to ' God ', I think you should first get to know the individual and see what they have done/accomplished.

I think you should let your EE kit boost your intake air pressure more then your ego/thought patterns.

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I didnt mean it like that i should have said that he thinks he does sorry.
No need to appologise or even backstep. When angered, folks show their true colors. Its understandable. Everyone does it, myself included.

From your writings, you remind me of a Jarhead that was in a platoon with myself at Lejeune many years back.

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Play nice now children. and CAPS LOCK IS EVIL!!!
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EE kits arent **** they really r pretty good. the kit comes highly reccomended by a tuner localy, nd a blower rebuilder. but i hear u know ur stuff D u got any vids?

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The only way to settle this is with either a race or vids of what each truck runs in the 1/8th mile or 1/4 mile... its the easiest way to "put up, or shut up"
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EE kits arent **** they really r pretty good. the kit comes highly reccomended by a tuner localy, nd a blower rebuilder. but i hear u know ur stuff D u got any vids?
A couple. I don't race at tracks all too often however. I doubt too many folks besides some of the locals whom have helped me even know what all has been done. Theres things done that I don't even remember.

I'm not saying the EE Kit is junk ( it's better then anything *I* have personally designed ) , I'm saying its not worth 4grand ( for 75hp ), something apparently being tossed aside.

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The only way to settle this is with either a race or vids of what each truck runs in the 1/8th mile or 1/4 mile... its the easiest way to "put up, or shut up"
Who agreed to a race ? Whats the terms ? Who gets the move and are we playin ' run what ya brung ' ( can I bring 8 cylinders and a bottle? ) ? Seeing as your the mouth-piece, you bringing the title to YOUR vehical to this event?

Whats to settle? What your saying is a video will justify someone spending 4grand? for 75hp?

Hell, Theres MANY ways to settle things

( $h1t like this doesn't belong on forums where civilty is expected. )

Your proposal seems kinda stupid to *me* ( but probably not to others ) , and this is why I like going to ' meets '. Seeing things in person are real ( at least to me ) . I've met enough people and enough people have met me ( including a bunch from your area.. one of them from your area even filmed me racing before LOL! ) to understand that I'm wreckless enough to get involved to the point where forums become a bad place to visit.. its an UNDERSTATEMENT.

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Heres some background and insite for you. It might be something to reflect upon before you make such jestures in the future.
I was one of the first people to be banned from GE That dude even mailed back my 75$ donation. I framed his check and laugh at it every day when I look at it ( I'll post a pic of it and the letter he sent upon request ) . I laugh because it was over some dumb rubbish that his ROOMMATE started between 2 other people ( or some kid and his mightmares... whatever it was over ). The bad thing is, I have no Quams with Jason Allen. I actually have respect for what he attempted to do with an MP90 on his ride... for some reason, He and I just can't seem to converse anymore civily ( which really sucks ).

Is your name ' Mark ' per se? That ' middleman ' or third party person?

If you mention my name in a post over there, it will probably be deleted.

I ask YOU, "Who benefits from it ?". Think long and hard , This isn't just the internet, people DO in fact meet up and hard feelings carry over to the real word. If you want a contest, it will be REAL WORLD, and you'll have to make the stakes desireable for those involved... Make it worth the time effort and ' liabilities '
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Nothing exceeds like excessiveness, Thats a firm belief I have ( and sometimes a bad one ).

So heres the same question back at ya, seeing as I never insinuated racing anyone ( Just that the EE kit STILL isn't worth 4grand, and now that we have this thread hijacked ), How bout we have this race and the winner gets YOUR truck. OR, we sell your truck to promote the event. The proceeds benefit all as they will secure a dedicated server for this site with a RELIABLE provider ( for quite some time as your truck is nice and worth quite a bit ) . This is something that would be prosperous for everyone involved. You would reep the benefits knowing it was your idea

Heres the terms I'll race to. I'll give your man ( Seeing as your speaking for him ) ' Home court advantage '. Say.. Raleigh. We do the 440/54/64 loop.
Heres where it gets intresting and REALLY tests the ability of both vehicals...
( and makes the event worthy of which vehical REALLY is superior )

We do it AGAINST traffic ( Yes, Thats right, AGAINST traffic. All 132 miles of it ). Ask yourself ' Why would he suggest such a thing? Is he stoopid? Crazy? Thats Madness!'. Maybe it takes away someones ' home court advantage ' because someone might have more experience at it ( you shouldn;t have to think about what I'm saying here ). This is a show of lesser manhood isn't it? It's not like I'm at a meet with dave01978 in the passengers seat playing chicken with a building doin 100+ MPH ( I dont think he would ever do that with me again ) , its just some oncoming traffic ( anyone whom was there, please chime in ). Your filming from *my* passengers seat as well. I don't take kindly to brown stains on the sparcos either. That is the ONLY thing that would get ya killed, Trust me.

If we do collide, I'll have the airbags OFF. Its THAT simple. It would suck living without limbs. I just had my knees unwired from my last wreck, I'm not going through it again. 'Crashing sucks' , thats the video I made of it and the only video I have ever made.

Maybe that 4grand for that EE would be better spent on some roll-bars, a helmet or some handeling equipment because $hit is tough to dodge at those speeds. The senario makes ya think different now, doesnt it?

You now know the level of the stakes that makes things ' real ' or intresting to me. A Video or timeslips? Seems kinda boring compared to the video of hedding into oncoming traffic ( take a vote on that, which race would people REALLY want to see , a straight up Quarter or a Race into on comming traffic! Ask for HONEST answers in your poll ).

Many folks will wonder where this all came from.. The simple fact that I'm not getting into forum ' competitions ' in these reguards anymore. I don't get into calling folks out or trash talking. In the past, It caused a great divide with Myself, Christian, Leo, RockinRobin, Sk0t, GE, R-F, My old site.. Challenges as your putting them belong in the real world, not on a forum. If destiny has it, the 2 of us will wind up at a meet someplace and have at it. Kmart Parking Lots in Centralia are awesome Ask svt focus owners

This doesn't reflect what *I* think the mods/admins here at R-F want ( I'm sure they will state their opinions if need be ) . http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=61885
Take a good read, watch the videos, even the part with the cops involvement. Makes for a good laugh till it happens in real life.

Maybe folks will remember a gentleman named Blades from the SVT forums. Eddie is good people, where is he now?

Give a good thought to what your suggesting and realise, it doesn't bolster the forums here, it causes problems.

To put things back on topic, 4grand for that EE kit is STILL not worth the money.

http://www.powerpro2000.com/lb_ford.htm
1400-1500$, and ya have 2500$ to stuff it in.

http://www.precisionengine.com/g_engines_d_ford.html
7823 '86-'91 302 ROLLER -VIN "F" 829.95 729.95 250.00
Longblock with a roller cam. Ya still have 3 grand to go at it with.

http://allstarperformance.carshopinc..._id/4490/38200
( theres soo many links to motors, especially the vernial 302/5.0 .. )

Theres everything needed besides an exhaust and your local boneyard electronics. Radiator, mounts, oil pan...

Whats the torque of a pushrod v8 compared to a v6.. even with a blower?
I don't even think a OHV to SOHC swap is worth the money for the gains anymore. With fuel econemy playing a factor, a mild v8 can still pull 15-18 to the gallon... the aftermarket having a plethora of parts. I'm about to suggest to a good friend to skip swapping a 3.0 to SOHC and just go for a 302.

A base v8 isn't taking the beating of a boosted/juiced engine. I believe its life expectency to be longer then an SOHC with ' timing chain rattles '. I've seen 302's go 200k miles with no issues.. I know our engines are new, but I've gone through 7 or 8 already from toying around.. their pretty fragile.

I have a good solution/proposal to your " put up or shutup ". This will let everyone reading ' Have at the fun '. The forums are for everyone to enjoy, not 2 or 3 jerks to go calling everyone out in ( Hint : I've learned there is a place to talk smack and call people out. Respect the mods/owners here and realise theres not a ' smackdown ' message area for a reason. I include myself in that Jerk catagory ).

We'll let the forums folk decide on this. We'll choose a *neutral* party. Take all the numbers of your mates ride. We'll take his vehicals dyno numbers and weight and let desktop dyno do the math. It would be a perfect .500 ( or .000 street ) light index. Well take an SOHC equipped ranger, delete the motor and tranny, shop online ( include the shipping costs ). We will NOT sell anything. This isn't monster garage. We have a base stripper vehical, nothing more. Or we could take the SOHC and do the math to build one..

When everything is said and done, well let a GOOD dyno program run the numbers for whatever vehicals are built ( let everyone build. have EVERYONE prove their view of things ) . We'll see if 4grand for that supercharger ( and whatever else he's done being included, maf, exhaust.. we'll overlook ALL of its cost ) is worth it ( for everyone to decide for themselves ).

I'm not downing your mates ride, I'm just going to prove 4grand is way too expensive for 75 ponies. What ya say? Have everyone ' All in ' in this game of Holdem, or ya still want a private party?

I have had the joy of riding with Bob Rez at Centralia ( his ride is VERY modded! ). I can't remember what all was said but he mentioned he was going ( or would go to ) a v8 swap for power before a supercharger ( Hate saying anything Bob, but If I recall, it was you. If I quoted ya wrong, please correct me ) .

Doug a/k/a the 4.0 God and I have had discussions in the Merit of 4grand for 75 ponies.. his responce was ' theres no 500 ponies for 500$ ' or something to the effect. With all his assets, Why did he use a Paxton? Why Did he use a whippled 3.0? Why is he playing with a M112 instead of the EE kit?

Why did Jason Allen defy all odds and use an MP90 and play with the headaches? Why did I use an MP90 ( ditched it for juice early on , I think one of ScottyG's friends has it now LOL!) ? I think Tremor John can account through his own words about Jason Allens ride.

What about Brian Mc? Hes played with more things on an SOHC then anyone else I can think of. Why doesn't he just spend the 4 grand and get it over with?

Are all these people that dumb or unknowing? *I* don't think so. They would all say the same as I have ( I'm actually plagerising one of them in saying "4 grand for 75 ponies aint worth it!" , you guess which one ) .

D.

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i dont think there is a need to race agianst traffic or race at all, but it would be neat to see to rangers racing fun.lol no since in arguing i like both of your truck and the hard work you put into them.

and D how long did it take you to type that?lol
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i dont think there is a need to race agianst traffic or race at all, but it would be neat to see to rangers racing fun.lol no since in arguing i like both of your truck and the hard work you put into them.

and D how long did it take you to type that?lol
Honestly.. not long. I don't become pent-up on forum talk much anymore. I've raced other Rangers at meets. I've whooped up on an SLP Thunderbolt.. then on the way to the Hayfield bash I had WedTurner Hand me my *** on the highway ( was before I learned how to jump from a roll with a stick... ) In person and off the forums, it can be fun.

What I've given up on is ( and heres the reason why I don't like videos ) making my own incriminating evidence. I'm on a conditional liecense to begin with. The last thing I need is for someone on a forum to send local authorities a link to a movie scene of myself having a good time ( again ) and having to walk to work. Heaven forbid someone sends it to the Boarder agaent. I'm lucky enough to make it into Canada without being snagged for something, let alone they hear about or see me coming.

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i guess that is a good point on the vids, cant wait to see your truck in person, i here you are coming to Zach's BBQ in June...

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i guess that is a good point on the vids, cant wait to see your truck in person, i here you are coming to Zach's BBQ in June...
OH.. I might show up. Might be there before hand if they Gimme a liecense ' full time ' again
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D i was in no means defending NickterSVT.. I know his truck is fast but D i know some of what is done to your truck and I was just saying what Zach (Zabeard) was saying.. it would be awesome so see two ranger's go at it esp. with the modifications both of you do. And if you wanna race since there is no talk of whether I should bring my Ranger or one of my other rides I have something you can run up against no problem.. the time slip for it doesnt even begin to show how fast the truck is but thats beside the point. But anyway, I understand what you are saying and I left GE because they're forum ***** and thats why Im here. I respect you and what is done to your truck and do I think the EE kit is worth 4 grand for 75 hp no. I will agree with you on that. It takes some extra tuning and time to make that kit sing and even as you said it may not sing as much as a larger blower like doug has found. Its always good to see guys use their brains and blaze their own path.
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I wouldnt agrue with D he has done more to his 4.0L then people could even dream of
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then why not just buy a 302?
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D's truck is the shiznit, wish I had seen the motor.

I'll drive to charlotte and see nick's run.
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Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior he has gotten me through a whole lot and i will never ever disrespect him again like that... Lord please forgive me for making any kind of remark against my better jugement. As for d. he has way too much time to type and its too cold up there to get traction!!! lol
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Temps hit the low 100F's in the summer in the Bafalo/western NY region man.. That too cold?!
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