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So I just bought a 2003 XLT 4x4 with 139k. A week after I bought it, it was already in the shop. I paid on the higher end for the vehicle, but wouldn't say I overpaid. They told me that the timing chains need to be replaced and quoted me $3500. It's hit or miss on when I hear the noise because it doesn't always happen and is not super loud when it does it, but I've read that once you hear it, it's too late. I have ordered timing chain tensioners and hoping that helps prevent it from getting worse and it extends my time to my options listed below. I also hear a super soft constant ticking noise while driving it and hear a scrapping sound (sometimes) while going up hills.
I'm just lost on whether or not I should invest in getting these things fixed or cut my losses and put the tensioners in and sell it. I love the truck, there is no rust on the body and minimal on the frame (rare thing for Michigan) and it only has 139k.
Looking at my options it looks like I have 4 options
1. put the timing tensioners in it, throw some thicker oil in it and sell it -- cut my losses
2. drive it until it gets worse and replace the timing chains and guides ($3500)
3. drive it until it gets worse (since its not a super loud rattle like I've heard in other videos) and once it gets to that point, put in a used/reman motor for around the same price as replacing the chains and guides; comes warranty
4. drive it until it gets worse and spend more and put in a 05 or newer engine
Based off of what I mentioned here, what are all of your options on what I should do.
This all hurts deep (lol) bc the 1st vehicle I bought was a 05 Honda accord and haven't had to sink any money into it besides the normal regular maintenance for the 6+ years I've had it
Do #1 because you can afford a ~$250 gamble. I assume you'd do this yourself because you said you've ordered the parts.
What did they cost if you don't mind me asking? Intake gaskets are involved, no?
2,3 and 4 all begin with, "drive it" and that's what you'd do after doing #1 so it's a no-brainer.
Ask around for good shops while driving it.
Dry / failing U-joints, spring sets AND shocks can sound like scraping. Have you checked for loose heat shields?
A soft ticking can be an accessory belt pulley / tensioner, something dying in an alternator or maybe even something caused by impeded oil flow.
It'd be funny if a snake oil treatment could cure it.
I too have read, "once you've heard it the damage is done", but you said it's intermittent AND fairly quiet when it happens.
Do get back to this thread with any developments.
Last edited by Georgeandkira; May 7, 2021 at 11:35 AM.
The tensioners will be here Tuesday (hopefully). I don't know much about vehicles, but am resourceful with finding information and am super comfortable with all things DIY & tools so I'm confident I can get it done. I paid like $80 for the parts and it'll cost me some time.
The shop was quoting me $650ish for them to do it. They replaced a belt tensioner while it was in the shop, could that new part now expose other potential issues with the truck?? Am I headed down a never ending road of repairs on the truck?
They didn't mention anything about the soft/quite constant ticking noise I'm hearing, (if I didn't drive around with the radio off and windows shut, I'm not even sure I would have noticed it) but did tell me that my shocks were "old". I've been digging into that, and looks like something I'd be able to do myself for cheaper than the $560 they quoted me to do them.
It's just a lot to take in, I knew buying an older truck would come with repairs and costs to replace things, but don't know how to determine when I hit that point where I should cut my losses.
Keep records of expenses on one sheet and fuel use on another. A third sheet tallying maintenance and insurance costs wouldn't be a bad idea.
You're the only one who can determine the bottomlessness of any money pit.
"... could that new {tensioner} now expose other potential issues with the truck??" No.
A tensioner assembly is free standing and only touches your belt. There is a separate idler pulley which I would've also replaced.
The bearings in such pulleys have a lifespan (dry out/wear out) as does the spring (rust + crack) in the tensioner.
A nearly inaudible tick is hard to diagnose. When the engine is making this ticking, try removing the belt and starting the engine.
Don't let it run more that a few seconds as the engine will be warmed up. If this ticking is belt drive related you won't hear it.
Do you know if the truck has seen quality service? Any record of oil changes?
Many are from the "throw engine flush in any unknown engine" camp. I am not.
For the money and effort involved I'd simply do an oil change using Castrol synthetic 5W-30 or 0W-40.
Mobil1 in either of the grades mentioned above is also good. People who know say they are good at cleaning engines slowly.
While brand isn't the point, knowing there's a good cleaning oil in your engine is.
Secure a small bit of rag to a stiff wire and insert it into the oil drain hole. If it comes out covered in black sludge you can decide if you want to go the solvent route.
One thing you can do is remove and inspect the PCV valve. Mine was factory original and nearly full of gunk.
That it still rattled a bit provided little consolation. No way it was doing its job completely.
My truck's PO was religious with oil changes but used a cheap "quickie lube" joint.
While my 4.0 wasn't sounding bad at all, changing the oil to the Castrol made my engine run silently.
It's common, cheap maintenance and won't cure anything but the PCV valve -and its suction line to the intake- should be clean and not cracked (leak).
A dirty one could "tell you something". Change 'em every 3rd oil change up North and every 4th OC in warmer climes.
Gaining some familiarity with your new twuck is what's next for you.
Last edited by Georgeandkira; May 7, 2021 at 02:02 PM.
@Georgeandkira
has all good advise.
First time swapping out the left+right Tensioners can be intimidating;
like the first time riding a bike, dancing, or having sex;
be persistent but patient, take your time & make logical choices, pay attention to detail & you'll succeed.
As George said, ticking could be several things; was the SerpBelt replaced with the BeltTensioner?
If not, I had an annoying ticking; ending up being a cheap belt; replaced with GoodYear#Gatorback = Continental#Elite & fixed that. Click here for more info on the OilPressurized TimingTensioners.
This past weekend I was able to swap both Timing chain tensioners, and replaced the front shocks.
After I completed the tensioners (front one ended up being a pain in the a**) we started it up and heard a terrible rattle. Now the rattles consistent and alot louder. I noticed that if I turn my truck on, let it ding 4x, turn it off and repeat this process 2 or 3 times, my truck starts up quieter. So my worst fear happened.
On the plus side the shocks were super easy and I'm loving the KYB gas a just shocks.
Replacing the PVC valve and rear shocks hopefully this upcoming weekend.
We replaced the right tensioner and things still rattled alittle but it was better. I should have just left the left tensioner because now there's definitely some issues with the timing chain.