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8-Cylinder Tech If you are one of the few with a V8 engine in your Ranger, or if you dream of a Ranger with a V8 engine, this is the sub-forum for you.

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5.0L V8 from explorer will bolt in with no clearance issues. I had one in my truck for 48K miles. Added a 1.5L Kenne Bell supercharger about 20K into that. Loved the truck, just wanted ore HP, so that is when I started the 351W / 2.6L Autorotor / water intercooler engine swap. Not much has been done in the last 1-1.5years...
Thanks man. Should I use Hooker Header's motor mounts or the explorer mounts? I thought about using an in floor automatic in place of my manual trans but don't know if it will fit or not. If I do the swap the tranny will have to go because it won't fit the 5.0 and if it did it wouldn't last.
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Any non-torsion Ranger from 98 and back would make the best donor as L&L, Advanced Adapters and several other companies make a lot of swap parts.
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in no engine expert but i dont see why you can just drop a 302 in do some rewiring and boom its done

i mean sure it will take a while but crate motors are alot easier to work with than all these new fuell injected emissioned big hunk of wiring new engines they put in cars these days
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Haha yeah go ahead and do that and let us know how it goes.
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well i have a 289 in my 1953 f100, the thing ran like a champ, but 302's are sick engines
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in no engine expert but i dont see why you can just drop a 302 in do some rewiring and boom its done

i mean sure it will take a while but crate motors are alot easier to work with than all these new fuell injected emissioned big hunk of wiring new engines they put in cars these days
Do you know what a crate motor is? Also, what makes a crate motor easier to work with?
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Alot of people put a 5.0 in there truck. Honestly, I wouldnt do it in your truck. A 2007 is way to new with to many nice features you would lose if you go an old explorer PCM (assuming you go that route). Eventually youll have to go to emissions which you wouldnt pass as its an OBD2 scan.

If you really want a 302 in a ranger I would go 95 or older or I would just get an explorer with a V8 in it. Alot of V8 swaps have been done, but honestly, its not going to be super amazing power unless you pump up the motor.

Just buy a supercharger or throw some money into the engine and youll be happy hopefully.

Ok edit : I just found online that 01 explorers had a 5.0... If you got an 01 Explorer PCM for the 5.0, and trans, motor, wiring harness, all the odds and ends and fabricated some stuff it would probably work out ok. The Explorer 5.0 was only 215hp, your motor weighs less, and makes 207HP. So if you get a crate, you probably want something worth all the effort. A straight over explorer swap wouldnt be worth the extra 8hp/30tq.
theres a guy on the rps forums that has a black 4.0 with a supercharger on it liftee. man that thing is awesome, and all you hear is blower scream. check it out, i dont remember his name, but i know he has a video on there of it.

but yea if your ranger is a 07, dont do it man. maybe if it was a 97 that would be a different story, but dont mess with a brand new truck. get the blower, and flow masters, prob a 40 series i think it is. yea the original 40 series, and youll be set

yea blower, exhaust, and a nice ecu tune, forget about it
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A crate motor is no different or special than a rebuild you could do with your local machine shop. I don't get your fascination with them.

As for the issues with the later trucks, it is the integration of the controls and instruments with a specific electrical architecture. The older explorer systems are not compatible with the newer 04+ ranger systems. Short of ripping everything out and using aftermarket gages, you will have quite a project trying to get everything to talk.

The "new fangled" electronically controlled EFI engines are much better than the old carb systems in almost every way. Better fuel metering, for all temps and altitudes, better fuel economy, quicker (usually automatic) adjustment for performance enhancements, etc.. They also include a fantastic theft deterent system known as PATS. With PATS properly functioning, your truck can only be stolen by tow truck or if the theif has a NGS Star flash device and 1 hour to re-flash new key transponders. A very nice feature for a truck with the time and money we sink into them.

Now, for mounts. In 1998+ coil spring trucks, use 4.0L mounts and special design engine plates. BrianB31 from RPS has a design that works well. On torsion bar 1998+ trucks, use explorer V8 mounts and plates - bolts right in.

For trans, you are open to many options. In 4x2, the tremec with mid-shift kit is best. In 4x4, limited options - T5 with AA conversion kit, M5OD R2 from F150, or some other custom setup. For Auto - far and away best option is the 4R70W from explorer. A very tough trans that can be modified extensively and is controlled by the Explorer EEC.
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yea i understand that dropping a motor in my ranger would not be the best idea..so instead of waste that money i can get a old f150 around here for a little under 2 grand and just put a engine in it and use it as a mud truck
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Any non-torsion Ranger from 98 and back would make the best donor as L&L, Advanced Adapters and several other companies make a lot of swap parts.
Thanks D. I just forgot about one small detail that just put doing anything to this truck down the tubes. The wiring is not a problem for me seeing as how I install wiring in 18 wheelers for a living at Utility Trailer Manufacturing Co. But due to the anti theft system installed at the factory prevents me from doing the swap. Plus I just found out that in 04 explorers some of them had different wiring harnesses and different ecu's as well. The engine would work but the wiring would become a project within itself. In other words you'd have 2 projects in 1 and it could go very, very badly. I am have decided to use either an older model Ranger (mid to late 80's) or an early to mid 90's Mazda B2000 donor vehicle.
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A crate motor is no different or special than a rebuild you could do with your local machine shop. I don't get your fascination with them.

As for the issues with the later trucks, it is the integration of the controls and instruments with a specific electrical architecture. The older explorer systems are not compatible with the newer 04+ ranger systems. Short of ripping everything out and using aftermarket gages, you will have quite a project trying to get everything to talk.

The "new fangled" electronically controlled EFI engines are much better than the old carb systems in almost every way. Better fuel metering, for all temps and altitudes, better fuel economy, quicker (usually automatic) adjustment for performance enhancements, etc.. They also include a fantastic theft deterent system known as PATS. With PATS properly functioning, your truck can only be stolen by tow truck or if the theif has a NGS Star flash device and 1 hour to re-flash new key transponders. A very nice feature for a truck with the time and money we sink into them.

Now, for mounts. In 1998+ coil spring trucks, use 4.0L mounts and special design engine plates. BrianB31 from RPS has a design that works well. On torsion bar 1998+ trucks, use explorer V8 mounts and plates - bolts right in.

For trans, you are open to many options. In 4x2, the tremec with mid-shift kit is best. In 4x4, limited options - T5 with AA conversion kit, M5OD R2 from F150, or some other custom setup. For Auto - far and away best option is the 4R70W from explorer. A very tough trans that can be modified extensively and is controlled by the Explorer EEC.
You hit the nail on the head except for one small detail. Alot of states have a law that says you have to use the same year that your truck was manufactured to do a swap. an 04 explorer cpu's and gages are similar to the Ranger and if you look at the mustangs they use the same gage cluster. But the programming is way way different. I was told at a Ford dealership that they wouldn't do it but it can be done using explorer cpu components. I don't see what's so popular about crate engines either. That's the easy way out and if you ask me that takes the FUN OUT OF IT. I'd rather get the block and go from there at a local machine shop. It's kind of like "picking your poison". Plus you get to choose your C.I.D that way. It may say 4.6 liter on the valve covers but that doesn't mean that's what it is. Ford made the stroker engines famous or should we say infamous. Plus you can save alot of bread doing it that way. The reason alot of people pick carbs over efi is because they're afraid of the wiring that's involved and they're easier to tune than EFI. I like both now since Demon Carbs have a carb that can be used with turbos now. you'll find it at www.jegs.com . I think you're better off doing what BIG D. said in using and older model donor truck that didn't have all that crap to begin with and make the actual swap easier and more practical. Plus Crate Engines are usally built as a stock o.e.m replacement for antiques and restorations projects.
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Do you know what a crate motor is? Also, what makes a crate motor easier to work with?
Thank you. A crate engine is an o.e.m replacement usually used in resto projects and by people who wish to take the easy way out as far as engine building goes. Plus they usually use stock specifications when producing these motors. GM has one of the best but it's stock HP and torque specs they got when they purchased Cadilac. The 572 Big Block. It's an elephant but it sounds real nasty. Even with twin turbos, and a V8 I wouldn't race it.
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I don't think that was the point of his question...
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Icon13 An evil idea canceled...

After much debate, unanswered questions, harrasing vendors and a few bloggers on here who'd rather stir the pot than offer any words of wisdom or some first hand knowledge I AM KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS. Stock except the exhaust which will not be changed anymore at all. Plus the amount of money being put into this has alot to do with cancelling this project. Plus I am leaving this site for a while to catch up on some work and taking a break as well.
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