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I'm not trying to be a smart a**, but nobody with a 2004 + Ranger has ever tried it because they know they can't keep their 2004 + cluster and I guess most people are like me, once you have a 2004 + cluster, you don't want to downgrade.

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How do they know it won't work if no one has tried it?

The question is still open as far as I can tell. Going by the schematic, it looks like the 2004 Ranger speedometer is an end user of the corrected VSS signal from the PCM just like the 2001~2003 clusters were. The only question I have is whether there would be any problem with the Module Communication Network in 2004+.

I can understand why someone might be reluctant to be the one to experiment with using the 2004+ Ranger cluster with the 5.0 PCM. However, I have seen no evidence that shows that it cannot work.
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How do they know it won't work if no one has tried it?

The question is still open as far as I can tell. Going by the schematic, it looks like the 2004 Ranger speedometer is an end user of the corrected VSS signal from the PCM just like the 2001~2003 clusters were. The only question I have is whether there would be any problem with the Module Communication Network in 2004+.

I can understand why someone might be reluctant to be the one to experiment with using the 2004+ Ranger cluster with the 5.0 PCM. However, I have seen no evidence that shows that it cannot work.
Well, It's not like one of those things that everyone is 100% sure about, it's more like 99.9%. Just enough to keep someone from doing it.
I think if one person took the first step then others would follow.
You're saying that the 2004 Ranger speedometer is an end user of the corrected VSS signal from the PCM just like the 2001-2003 clusters were, does that make the impossible possible? And the 2004 Rangers are 7 years old now, so I think it's a matter of time before someone starts experimenting with this.
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so with all the wire changes, from 2007+. a 4.6 from an exploder might be easier since the wiring could be similar. also the PATS?

you'd have to deal with width, no a/c and some other little things but might still be easier.
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Thanks Rwenzing!

By the way, how do you know all this? Any chance you work, or have worked for Ford? Do you have a good amount of the wiring diagrams?

I am very interested in doing something like this as well well. The wife just gave me the OK to start a project similar to this. Mine will differ however in the fact that I am looking at doing a V8 swap into a 2004-2005 Sport trac. I was wanting to put in the 2004+ ranger gauges in addition to the swap, but was unsure if they would work. I am willing to try this, I'm just working on finding a sport trac for a good deal first.

Sorry to jack the thread, I just had some questions that may have helped the inquiry on a v8 swap into a 2004+ ranger.
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Thanks Rwenzing!

By the way, how do you know all this? Any chance you work, or have worked for Ford? Do you have a good amount of the wiring diagrams?

I am very interested in doing something like this as well well. The wife just gave me the OK to start a project similar to this. Mine will differ however in the fact that I am looking at doing a V8 swap into a 2004-2005 Sport trac. I was wanting to put in the 2004+ ranger gauges in addition to the swap, but was unsure if they would work. I am willing to try this, I'm just working on finding a sport trac for a good deal first.

Sorry to jack the thread, I just had some questions that may have helped the inquiry on a v8 swap into a 2004+ ranger.
X2 ...

There has got to be someone on one of these Ranger forums that knows how to deal with the 2004 + digital odometer and cluster. This isn't rocket science but it's begining to seem like it. I might go over to some of the F-Series forums or the Mustang forums and see if someone there knows how to deal with a digital odometer.
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When you find out, let me know!
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When you find out, let me know!
I sure will ... I have a feeling that I'm going to be making a call to one of the electrical engineers that helped design the Ford Ranger to figure out how to do this.
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Hey Bob, what problems would arise with a 2wd expo?

In order to have 4wd, is there anything electrical necessary for a manual T-case?

I'm thinking that I could still use all of the parts for 2wd, then get the tcase and all.
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A transfer case will not bolt up to a 2WD transmission without swapping in the 4x4 extension housing and output shaft. There is a switch on the 1354 manual or 4406 manual case that can be wired to the 4x4 dash indicator lights.
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Short story, a gentleman I know has a 98 expo he wants to sell. If you guys say that a 99-01 is the best option, should I pass this one up?
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96~98 Ex adds an extra complication. It uses a return fuel system that does not match the 98+ Ranger's returnless system. This does not make the swap impossible but it does require additional plumbing. Using the 99~2001 Ex setup in my 2003 made the fuel system part of the swap plug and play.
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Well, from the beginning of this thread I had (and still have) 2 options.

The 98 expo or a 00 4x4 mountaineer

So it seams that the mountaineer is the better choice.
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I will agree, the 2000 mountaineer is a better choice
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Hey Taylor,

Do you have power or manual windows and door locks?
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Hey Taylor,

Do you have power or manual windows and door locks?
all power. POOWWEERR!!!!
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all power. POOWWEERR!!!!
RRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRR






Whoops, got a little too excited
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all power. POOWWEERR!!!!
SOUNDS PRETTY POOWWEERRFFUULL!
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any word on that digital odometer issue?
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Here are a few things to consider. There could be more that I'm not aware of:

To use the stock 98~01 Ex PCM, a 2001~2006 Ranger would need Type B PATS. Type B uses a different transponder key / transceiver module and adds the PATS Module that is not used on the Type E PATS in most 2001+ Rangers. As an alternative, PATS could be calibrated out of the Ex PCM using a custom tune.

The Ranger wiring harnesses changed significantly in 2001 and again in 2004, then again in 2007. Each of these revisions took the electrical system farther from the 98~2000 Ranger which is very similar to the 99~01 Ex. Every major step forward makes the 5.0 Ex swap more complicated electrically. 2007+ was the biggest change because of the introduction of the new 175-pin PowerPC PCM and because virtually every color code was changed throughout the truck.

The 2004+ cluster is an unknown. It has an onboard microprocessor that takes care of the odometer memory. It also interfaces to the Module Communications Network (including the PCM) which 2003-back did not do.

Any 2001+ Ranger with a 5.0 Ex PCM will need changes to the way the speedometer is driven, regardless of whether it uses a mechanical or digital odo cluster.



I don't know if that's true or not. To the best of my knowledge, nobody on this forum has tried it with the 2004+ cluster.


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How do they know it won't work if no one has tried it?

The question is still open as far as I can tell. Going by the schematic, it looks like the 2004 Ranger speedometer is an end user of the corrected VSS signal from the PCM just like the 2001~2003 clusters were. The only question I have is whether there would be any problem with the Module Communication Network in 2004+.

I can understand why someone might be reluctant to be the one to experiment with using the 2004+ Ranger cluster with the 5.0 PCM. However, I have seen no evidence that shows that it cannot work.


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X2 ...

There has got to be someone on one of these Ranger forums that knows how to deal with the 2004 + digital odometer and cluster. This isn't rocket science but it's begining to seem like it. I might go over to some of the F-Series forums or the Mustang forums and see if someone there knows how to deal with a digital odometer.

So doing some research I am pretty sure that the cluster / gauges will work just fine on with a v8 on a 2004-2006 ranger cluster. The only thing that I am still unsure of is how to keep the digital odometer.

I have the original wiring diagram for a 2000 explorer/mountaineer as well as a wiring diagram of a 2004 Sport trac. (The 2004-2006 Ranger gauges/cluster is practically the same as the 2004-2005 sport trac's cluster. Same amount of pins with the microprocessor. Needs to be verified though)

Anyway, these are the pictures of those pages that has those pin outs for proof:


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So any ideas how to keep or get the digital odometer working with the 2004+ ranger cluster? Is there a way to flash the PowerPC to get it to work with the Explorer v8 AND the digital odometer?
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Hey, I wanted to interject a little on this topic. As my sig shows, I drive on '03 ranger w/ a 3.0. I know from what I have read that the explorer 5.0 fits nearly perfect. What about a 5.0 crate motor? Do they have the same motor mount locations? Also, if I were to do this procedure to my truck, I would want to run the motor w/o the PCM. Going that route, will it make adapting the new motor any easier? Also, will the stock tranny handle the 5.0 or would I have to swap that out as well? thanks!
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To answer question on the crate motor - all 5.0L enignes have same block mount locations. Doing a crate motor will be a pain, as you have to chase down all the misc parts from an explorer - mounts, radiator, hoses, wiring, exhaust, transmisson ( the 3.0L trans won't bolt up and not strong enough), etc.. What do you mean run without the PCM??? Convert to a carb? If you are going to do that, why not go way back and cut holes in the floor board like fred flintsone??? I never understand why people try to go away from EFI.

As for years, yes- the 99-01 is best to use - closest to a plug and play. Back when I did my swap in 2001, I used a 1997 and had to convert the fuel rails and make several wire changes - including swaping out the starter harness for a 99-01 version. It can be made to use as I proved, but just easier to start with the later truck.

Digital cluster is an interesting proposition. My guess is there is logic in the cluster that simply counts off miles based on the speed and time. I do not see any "odometer" inputs on the 2004-2005 diagrams. Has anyone tried to hook one up?
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