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98 2wd Ranger 2.5 doing a 5.0 swap...

Doing this swap Iíve heard 99-01 Explorer/ mountaineer 5.0 is the most compatible motor to use is this right?
 
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To me any 5.0 will work fine, I stuffed a '93 Mustang 5.0 in my '88 Ranger... a while back, and the only problem was the Fan and the headers.
The headers were fixed with special headers and the fan fixed with an electric unit.

The Explorer 5.0 has a shorted front end, all of the accessory mounting is back couple of inches, this might allow for mounting a Standard Fan.

If you want to run headers then you need to order up the Torque Monster Headers, I do not believe there is any other headers for this swap. The Stock Headers on an Explorer may work OK.

Thats about all I know, not much but the Explorer 5.0 should bolt in and get you started.

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scrambler82 is right any 5.0 (302) will work. using the explore/mountaineer 5.0 just makes it easier especially when you a donor car. it allows for pretty much a direct bolt in swap. but with the right aftermarket parts a lil know how and the funds you could easily swap in a 351w or 460 i have even seen 7.3 & 6.0 powerstrokes and 4bt cummins. i have been throwing around the idea of a flat head v-8 ranger with a t56 6 speed
 
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Originally Posted by Scrambler82 View Post
To me any 5.0 will work fine, I stuffed a '93 Mustang 5.0 in my '88 Ranger... a while back, and the only problem was the Fan and the headers.
The headers were fixed with special headers and the fan fixed with an electric unit.

The Explorer 5.0 has a shorted front end, all of the accessory mounting is back couple of inches, this might allow for mounting a Standard Fan.

If you want to run headers then you need to order up the Torque Monster Headers, I do not believe there is any other headers for this swap. The Stock Headers on an Explorer may work OK.

Thats about all I know, not much but the Explorer 5.0 should bolt in and get you started.

Good Luck,
Thanks man, its going to be a job but well worth it when i'm done I'll post picks as I go
 
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Originally Posted by black06xlt View Post
scrambler82 is right any 5.0 (302) will work. using the explore/mountaineer 5.0 just makes it easier especially when you a donor car. it allows for pretty much a direct bolt in swap. but with the right aftermarket parts a lil know how and the funds you could easily swap in a 351w or 460 i have even seen 7.3 & 6.0 powerstrokes and 4bt cummins. i have been throwing around the idea of a flat head v-8 ranger with a t56 6 speed
That would be pretty cool as well. looking for a donor right now that doesnt have a ragged out motor.
 
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i have been throwing around the idea of a flat head v-8 ranger with a t56 6 speed
Sorry for Hi-Jacking... Flathead, I think I nice 260 or 289 cu in SB Ford would be nice, put on the 289 HP Exhaust and you would have, what I think, is a nice package; V-8 in a small package.

I was thinking about one of the new Cummins Crate Motors, an R2.8L TD.

I am waiting to hear about their compliance with CA vehicle emission codes.
 

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to the best of knowledge a flathead has been swapped in a ranger yet. when built right make some big power
 
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Originally Posted by Brandonwidener22 View Post
Doing this swap I’ve heard 99-01 Explorer/ mountaineer 5.0 is the most compatible motor to use is this right?
Explorer 5.0l(302) is chosen because it is fuel injected and has a low intake manifold for fit, height wise, in a Ranger

Pretty much any year 302 engine could be used with explorer upper and lower intake.

Your 1998 Ranger uses Returnless Fuel system, so you only have 1 fuel line from gas tank to engine

1998 and old Explorer engines needed a return fuel line(2 fuel lines), 1999 and up didn't

So that's what gives you the 1999-2001 explorer range

Then computer and it's wiring harness also needs to be from 1999-2001 to match fuel system

And you also need a transmission for the 5.0l, Ranger trans won't bolt up

Also 1999-2001 Explorer will have PATS(passive anti-theft system) built into the computer, this means you need the Factory ignition KEY(s) in order to start the engine, computer will not work unless pre-programmed key is used


So 5.0l engine, computer(with Correct Keys), wiring harness, radiator, and transmission......this is why it is best to buy a rolled or otherwise body damaged but running 1999-2001 explorer just to get all the parts needed


The ford 302(5.0l) is a 60deg V engine and is only 19" wide, so fits between heater box and steering shaft, but very tight squeeze
Many other V8s are 90deg V's so 25+ inches wide, just don't fit well
 
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to the best of knowledge a flathead has been swapped in a ranger yet. when built right make some big power
I assume you meant to say, "To the best of my knowledge, a Flathead has never been swayed in a Ranger yet".

You are probably correct but there is a reason for that, old technology.

Yes Flatheads can be built with reasonable power especially if you happen to have or can find an Auburn Hemi Head System for it.

Still for the money involved in any swap, I would want as much reasonable power I could get for the bucks involved.

I mean, it would be an interesting swap, not sure what adapters would be required... motor mounts, transmissions, headers, what milage can be expected... too many IFs for me but then again I am not building it.
 
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Ford V8 Flathead is 26" wide, there would be cuttin' involved, lol
Also weighs close to 600lbs

429/460 is 27" wide and weighs a whopping 720lbs, and more cuttin'

Exhaust pipes would HAVE to be outside the frame rails on these

302 is 450lbs
 
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Originally Posted by Brandonwidener22 View Post
That would be pretty cool as well. looking for a donor right now that doesnt have a ragged out motor.
If a good Explorer is not available, engine wise, you might consider buying it for parts and finding a good 5.0 short of long block somewhere else.

I just noticed your truck is 2WD so my comment on the headers is up in the air... not sure what will fit !
 
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Originally Posted by Scrambler82 View Post
If a good Explorer is not available, engine wise, you might consider buying it for parts and finding a good 5.0 short of long block somewhere else.

I just noticed your truck is 2WD so my comment on the headers is up in the air... not sure what will fit !
yeah I may have to get custom headers built for it, I have a motor lined up with 92,000 original miles on it can hear it run. Iím going with a Explorer with a blown 302 in it to use all the computer and wiring harnesses and brackets and radiator that I need. Also want to keep it a standard trans so Iím open to suggestions on what trans will work with the 5.0..... thanks guys!
 

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The ford 302(5.0l) is a 60deg V engine
The Ford 5.0L/302 is a 90 degree V8 as are its earlier relatives the 221, 260 and 289. What makes the 302 comparatively "small" is its low deck height. All else being equal, lower deck height means a lower overall height and narrower overall width.

By comparison. the larger 5.8L/351W (also 90 degree) has a taller deck height, primarily to accommodate its longer stroke. Although it uses the same head profile and basic architecture as a 302, the increased deck height makes the 351W both taller and wider overall compared to the 221/260/289/302.
 
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yes that is what i meant. i just reread what i typed man that was bad.
 
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Originally Posted by Brandonwidener22 View Post
yeah I may have to get custom headers built for it, I have a motor lined up with 92,000 original miles on it can hear it run. I’m going with a Explorer with a blown 302 in it to use all the computer and wiring harnesses and brackets and radiator that I need. Also want to keep it a standard trans so I’m open to suggestions on what trans will work with the 5.0..... thanks guys!
The 5.0L with 92L on it... is it from an Explorer ?
If not, consider having the heads from the Blown 302 check out, if they can be rebuilt they will be a better head for your 5.0L application. You will need to tear the top end apart on your 92K motor but the heads can make a little difference in HP !
You need headers, they too will increase torque and HP and make the swap the much better. The OEM Headers on the Explorer are not good pieces, they are crimped to fit and in tight places and do not flow as well but they do work.
When I was going to do my 5.0L swap in my EDGE-Ranger, things change, I was considering the 289 High Performance Exhaust Manifolds. They are cast iron and flow well enough for over 300 HP and their shape is similar to a header but I never got a chance to check out fitment.

Take your time, get the parts together a head of time, and go for it !
Post pictures, we always like pictures.



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Hows things going, well I hope !
327... any word !

As Bob has said...

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The Ford 5.0L/302 is a 90 degree V8 as are its earlier relatives the 221, 260 and 289. What makes the 302 comparatively "small" is its low deck height. All else being equal, lower deck height means a lower overall height and narrower overall width.

By comparison. the larger 5.8L/351W (also 90 degree) has a taller deck height, primarily to accommodate its longer stroke. Although it uses the same head profile and basic architecture as a 302, the increased deck height makes the 351W both taller and wider overall compared to the 221/260/289/302.
All of the Windsor Engines are the same except the 351 which is wider and IMHO, although it has more torque it is too big for a Ranger's engine bay, just an opinion.
With the Horse Power from a 5.0L and all of the aftermarket equipment for it, you can build any HP you think you want but do not forget TORQUE. A Truck needs torque and it will give you a better performing street vehicle.


Brandonwidener22,

Back to the 98 2WD, a stock 5.0L (approx 235) should give you all of the power you will need for a street daily driver, if you want more power consider a chip change for the computer, actually an add on chip set for Ford, and you will be amazed at the power at your call.

And what trans does the Explorer you are using for parts have ? You may need to play with the computer to run manual and believe me that is the way I would go but the computer may say something different.
 

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Originally Posted by Scrambler82 View Post
The 5.0L with 92L on it... is it from an Explorer ?
If not, consider having the heads from the Blown 302 check out, if they can be rebuilt they will be a better head for your 5.0L application. You will need to tear the top end apart on your 92K motor but the heads can make a little difference in HP !
You need headers, they too will increase torque and HP and make the swap the much better. The OEM Headers on the Explorer are not good pieces, they are crimped to fit and in tight places and do not flow as well but they do work.
When I was going to do my 5.0L swap in my EDGE-Ranger, things change, I was considering the 289 High Performance Exhaust Manifolds. They are cast iron and flow well enough for over 300 HP and their shape is similar to a header but I never got a chance to check out fitment.

Take your time, get the parts together a head of time, and go for it !
Post pictures, we always like pictures.



Bob,
Hows things going, well I hope !
327... any word !

As Bob has said...



All of the Windsor Engines are the same except the 351 which is wider and IMHO, although it has more torque it is too big for a Ranger's engine bay, just an opinion.
With the Horse Power from a 5.0L and all of the aftermarket equipment for it, you can build any HP you think you want but do not forget TORQUE. A Truck needs torque and it will give you a better performing street vehicle.


Brandonwidener22,

Back to the 98 2WD, a stock 5.0L (approx 235) should give you all of the power you will need for a street daily driver, if you want more power consider a chip change for the computer, actually an add on chip set for Ford, and you will be amazed at the power at your call.

And what trans does the Explorer you are using for parts have ? You may need to play with the computer to run manual and believe me that is the way I would go but the computer may say something different.
The explorer that i'm using has an automatic in it, I'll have to have the computer flashed to forget the automatic trans. The motor is from a 2000 explorer at a local salvage yard. I am planning on putting a better cam in it before putting it into the ranger. other then that I think the horsepower that the 5.0 already has will be more then enough for this little truck lol.
 
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The motor is from an 2000 explorer, will do plan on starting it next week after I get my engine stand that I ordered. I already have a hoist lift. Will post lots of pictures as I go
 
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Can I use the rear drive axle from the explorer and put it on the ranger? I want to change it to have disc brakes in the rear... going to look at the donor explorer and probably buy it this weekend. 350.00 is what the girl is asking, motor "runs" but has bad trans and has been sitting for a few months. I'm on the fence about buying the one with 92,000 miles on it or rebuilding the one from the donor explorer which has 170,000 on it.
 
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you can use tghe explorer axle or you get the rear brakes from a 1994-2004 for mustang gt or v-6 car. cobra brakes are different
 
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you can use tghe explorer axle or you get the rear brakes from a 1994-2004 for mustang gt or v-6 car. cobra brakes are different
Cool thanks!
 
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Do you need headlight to tail light wiring harness to do this swap?
 
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First, I am not against this swap, I would do it in a heart beat to my '03 but I have other plans.
Before starting this swap, check out all of the swap issues, Engine harnessing, motor mounts, which trans and mods needed based on Computer type, and rear axle mods, the Explorer has a great axle..., you will be happy you checked things out ! It can be done and it is a great swap so dont lose interest just go in prepared.


The Explorer rear axle needs to be modified to fit in the Ranger, it does have 31 spine axles, nice, is a little wider, and disc brakes, and I think a limited slip, so the mods are worth it , $$$.
There is a kit available for the rear axle install to make it easier, and check it out while it is out of the vehicle, maybe even new gaskets and seals, and take a look at the gears for wear.

The Engine Harness: I am not sure how the Engine Harness comes out of the Explorer, I like the after market Ford Harness, $$$ maybe too much ! There maybe other companies out there that make a harness that will have a thee wire hookup... ! A '93 Mustang has a separate engine harness so it is a little easier, maybe something you can pick up.

I only needed the engine harness, but your truck does not have a separate engine harness, so it will take a little work to change out the wiring, you need to check this out with someone, maybe Ron will know.

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The explorer axle has spring mounts under, the ranger has spring mounts over. You will need to weld a set of mounts on also.

And I have looked at 2 so far 2001 explorers with v8's that were 4.6 and not 5.0. I have seen one with 5.0 so some time in 01 they switched motors.
 
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yeah I may have to get custom headers built for it, I have a motor lined up with 92,000 original miles on it can hear it run. Iím going with a Explorer with a blown 302 in it to use all the computer and wiring harnesses and brackets and radiator that I need. Also want to keep it a standard trans so Iím open to suggestions on what trans will work with the 5.0..... thanks guys![/QUOTE]
The 302 bolts up to a wide variety of transmissions.. my favorite is the toyo kogyo 5speed however the c6 transmission is a great bulletproof transmission... if you go to monster transmission you can buy built transmissions for whatever application street drag or off road they're fairly reasonable .
 
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