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What would it cost to put a 302 in a ranger. After the whole project is complete.
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i dont think anyone can give you a really accurate measure.

always expect high, so ide GUESS about 2,500. maybe a little more.


it might be cheper, maybe a tad more, but no one can really know about the cost of an engine in your area, how much personal fab you can do and etc.
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http://therangerstation.com/tech_lib...nversions.html

theres a list of parts to give you an idea also... i was going to say around 3000 total...
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carbed or EFI?

Carbed about easy $3000

EFI your talking $5000+

that is to do it RIGHT...now you can hack it togeather for far cheaper
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hmm I was thinking show quailty be around 8K or more for chrome engine bay, lol
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Lets figure cheap and figure expensive.

Cheap: you get a rolled explorer for 1000 bucks.
Assuming you do everything yourself, which isn't terrribly hard, 1000 bucks is your price.

And that's for a well running engine.

Expensive explorer: that rolled exploder instead of costing you 1000 bucks costs you 2-4 thousand bucks...

Expensive non-explorer 302:
Now you have to get all these parts yourself. Engine is easy, **** 302s are everywhere. Now you need a front driveshaft. 350 bucks? You need a new transfercase. 800 bucks? You need a new tranny. 1000 bucks?

So obviously you look for rolled explorers that still run at junkyards. They're easily the best deal as getting all the parts at once is much much easier than buyin em seperately.



If you're paying 5000+ you suck at finding deals.

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Oh yah I forgot. You can then sell your engine/tranny/etc

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As aaron said, for your late model 4x4, you could convert to explorer 302/trans/AWD case for simply the cost of a rolled explorer and exhaust aft of the cats (~$100-200). I have seen complete explorers as low as $800 with running engine.

Otherwise, you could spend upwards of $10K very easily on a custom, high output drivetrain. I will have somewhere around that by the time all is said and done with my 351W supercharged/intercooled conversion.
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What would it cost to put a 302 in a ranger. After the whole project is complete.
Eh just supercharge the 4.0. Sounds so much easier and unless you go through a lot of trouble to rebuild the old 302 it isn't any more powerful than the 4.0 unless you're getting one out of a Mustang than you'd need to go to EFI to have something nice on your hands.
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Eh just supercharge the 4.0. Sounds so much easier and unless you go through a lot of trouble to rebuild the old 302 it isn't any more powerful than the 4.0 unless you're getting one out of a Mustang than you'd need to go to EFI to have something nice on your hands.
Once you SC a 4.0 you've basically maxed out its power AND you're messing with a potentially "****upable" engine.

If you go V8 you now have an engine that stock is almost as powerful as the SC 4.0, AND on top of that, you HAVENT even started adding power mods to it.

On top of that a v8 swap is cheaper.

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I estimate a junkyard motor and a do it your self job it will be about $1,500 or you can go all out like Im trying and it will be around $7,500 to $12,000.
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Eh just supercharge the 4.0. Sounds so much easier and unless you go through a lot of trouble to rebuild the old 302 it isn't any more powerful than the 4.0 unless you're getting one out of a Mustang than you'd need to go to EFI to have something nice on your hands.
I could build a 400horse/400lbft 302 for less then 3grand. Actually, I have a 347 sitting around thats for sale as Emissions Laws in NewYork put a severe wrench in my plans.

Ive wasted no fewer then 5 sohc engines. They cant take the abuse one would be lead to believe. They are a ' toy ' with weak rods.
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Eh just supercharge the 4.0. Sounds so much easier and unless you go through a lot of trouble to rebuild the old 302 it isn't any more powerful than the 4.0 unless you're getting one out of a Mustang than you'd need to go to EFI to have something nice on your hands.

Boy, what a well educated piece of advice. Please don't add comments unless you know what you are talking about. There are at least three errors in that single posting. Nicely done.

As for supercharging a 4.0L, good luck with durability of both engine and trans.
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Jake,

Given that you are asking how much it would be to swap your v6 with a v8 I would gather that at this time you don't have the knowledge to do the swap yourself. I don't mean this to be a jab only to say that paying someone to install the v8 or gaining the knowledge to install the engine yourself (months of schooling, about a grand in tuition, not to mention the tools) plus the cost of the engine and to make it street legal could put the swap somewhere in the range of $6000 to $7000.

V8 swaps in rangers have been discussd on all ranger forums quite frequently, but only a hand full of people actually do them. The ones that do are able to because they have the knowledge and come by the parts at a low cost.

Your other option is get an explorer express supercharger. The price is $4000, but the installation can be done with more basic tools, and careful assembly in about a weekend. Now a brand new 302 will cost less then the EE SC and you will have more hp capbilities, but that doesn't include tools, time, and knowledge that will have to be gained. You will also have more trouble with insurance, it may not be street legal depeding on your state, or there are additional costs to make it so. and you will kill the resale value of it to the general public.

If the undertaking itself s part of the pleasue that you will gain from this then all the better, but it by no means will be easy or cheap.
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Obviously I do not know the guy but TMSoko I believe started his original V8 ranger swap without a huge bunch of knowledge.

From all that i've read it is a very easy step, and there is an extreme wealth of information! Literally on RPS there's a thread on dealing with the issues of PATs for different years.

I'd say in the world of engine swaps it is harder than swapping in the same engine, but easier than swapping in a completely different engine.

Literally slap it in, hook it up, hook some stuff up, fix pats problems, bam!

Your hardest parts?

Components are heavy, need a cherry picker or somethin.
You need to make a returned fuel system(or returnless i cant remember)
Working on vehicles is naturally not hard.


I think TMSoko did his in a weekend or he had some reason to pause and take a bit longer.

The V8 is something that if you heavily research it and start prepared, you can be running in a weekend. If you have luck of course. Knowing our trucks, there's always somethin that'll go wrong or **** you off.
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Given that you are asking how much it would be to swap your v6 with a v8 I would gather that at this time you don't have the knowledge to do the swap yourself. I don't mean this to be a jab only to say that paying someone to install the v8 or gaining the knowledge to install the engine yourself (months of schooling, about a grand in tuition, not to mention the tools) plus the cost of the engine and to make it street legal could put the swap somewhere in the range of $6000 to $7000.
The price isn't a set amount. It can be anything depending on your hookups and whatnot. You definately dont need schooling. You need to do your research. I can't think of any "swap V8 into Ranger school" but of course a mechanics school gives you lots of knowledge.


The best thing to do, get yourself a buddy who is very smart with that.

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The price isn't a set amount. It can be anything depending on your hookups and whatnot. You definately dont need schooling. You need to do your research. I can't think of any "swap V8 into Ranger school" but of course a mechanics school gives you lots of knowledge.


The best thing to do, get yourself a buddy who is very smart with that.

Aaron
This is exactly my point unless you or someone you know has the knowledge and is willing to help then getting the knowledge either through schooling or a lot of reading is going to consume a lot of time. Maybe it will be a good learning experience, but it looks like this would be going into his '02 which appears to be a daily driver and his only vehicle.

Swapping a v8 in a ranger at first may seem a good idea, but depending on each persons circumstance it may be impracticle, or impossible.


Jake,

Do you just want more HP or is there a need for it?
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Instead of asking a bunch of people how much a V8 swap would cost, ask yourself "How much time, space, and money can I afford?".

Time - How long can the truck be off the road? If you only have a weekend, a V8 swap will be tough. If the Ranger is your only vehicle I wouldn't even try it. The more time you have the better, forever is preferred.

Space - I have seen so many projects get killed because space became an issue. Parents, landlords, family members, neighbors, and the city all tire quickly of the sight of a project that's taking too long. You need to be able to keep your project out of sight and out of the way enough to keep everybody happy.

Money - Figure out how much you can afford (or are allowed) to spend on the project. How much you need upfront depends on how much time you have. If you plan to complete the swap in a month you better have the full amount in your pocket. But, let's say time (and space) are not an issue, then you can break that total cost down to a monthly issue.

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I did my original 302 Explorer swap, on my daily dirver after mt 5R55E trans took a dump at 52,199 miles. It took me a total of 3 weeks to get it on the road and that included ordering and re-ordering parts after the Modine radiator came in at NAPA with a hole in it.

I have spoken with a guy who did his swap in 10 hours on a Saturday at his dealership.

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The price isn't a set amount. It can be anything depending on your hookups and whatnot. Aaron
Agreed. Motor mounts, a crossmember, tranny crossmember and hedders will cost a LOT to be fabbed, but being able to sit the engine where you want to ( makes things easier/more accessable in the future ) as well as possibly changing AWAY fron torsion bars in the process can help with the newely aquired weight.

Its not so much the ' costs ' , but as Aaron said, the knowledge needed to do everything as well as the facilities to do it ( tools ) .
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I am not really sure that I want to. I was just curious to see what something like that would cost. It is a huge project and would take alot of things to get it working. For me personally I would want more power. HP and torque.

Do you have to swap transmissions to?
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I am not really sure that I want to. I was just curious to see what something like that would cost. It is a huge project and would take alot of things to get it working. For me personally I would want more power. HP and torque.

Do you have to swap transmissions to?

It is *sortof* a huge project. A huge project is a solid axle swap. It simply seems huge but armed with the proper knowledge( i've spent too many hours reading up on the swap for when i want to do it) it is sortof simple. Simple because it's literally called "plug and play". Solid axle swaps are not plug and play.


So if you are mechanically inclined(more than just changing your oil) and put in your hours learning on, you can probably manage it, and if you have problems there's always us to give advice. If you provide pics TMSoko can probably help.


HP and Torque are good. Yes a new tranny is needed. That is why we keep saying "rolled explorer". The rolled explorer is basically the equivalent of you hijacking a summit racing parts truck full of 302 parts. It has everything you need for the swap except exhaust and maybe headers(i remember ppl using aftermarket a lot). You can get a 302 from a mustang, but its certainly not the easiest way.

Aaron

By the way, TMSoko do you have ANY videos or pics of your truck? Not the engine swap ones. I'm interested in seeing it as a whole and i wish you had videos of your 302. I'm interested in starting a swap when i move to minnesota in a month, but I have no idea about how fast it will be.
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