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Got a few questions about my 5.0 swap.

I don't know if yall can help me much here but...

I am doing my swap on my 84' so all questions should be based on it.

I got a 87' F-150 5.0L Speed Density engine, I got all the parts that I got to have, just want to swap out a few parts. Will a newer, smaller intake, such as an Explorer GT-40 intake, with a matching throttle body, from maybe a 86-88 SD Mustang, work with the F-150 computer? and what Fuel Rails can I use?

I already have L&L motor mounts, do I have to use the L&L headers or are their others that will work? If I do use the L&L headers do they have bungs for O2 sensors, or can they be ordered with them?

Anyone here using the 4.0HD radiator? Where can I find one used, obviously in an Ex. or Ranger but what years, and options? How does it cool for you? Just wandering I am planning to use this rad. with a Mark 8 electric fan. Heard that this fan will flow really well.

I am getting an AOD transmission with this engine. The AOD isn't a computer controlled transmission, is it? Where can I find an OEM floor mount shifter that will work with this AOD, or does one even exist?

I'm pretty sure that I'll have a few more questions once these get answered, probably even before, but that's all for now.
-Josh

Oh and don't tell me to get a mustang engine, or MAF system. I got the engine, trans., wiring harness, computer, and anything else I need off of the truck for free. Also if I find the cam, intake, tb, maf, computer, and wiring harness together for a good price I will swap out to a MAF system, otherwise I am gonna fo with the speed density system for now. I will still swap over to the MAF at some point but not until I get all parts together and decide to upgrade the engine some.
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wow didnt i just read this on RPS probly ok ya take some time on RPS and start searching there is TONS of info on there. there is also more people will chime in soon...ya....

oh and yes AOD is computer controled.

really i am doing a 5.0L swap now.. do yourself a BIG favor and just run Carb and a C4 and be done with it...

also this kit is very good for the price http://www.allstarperformance.com/product.htm?prod=341
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I posted basically the same thing on RPS and TRS.

I ain't going to run a carb. I alredy got the AOD, which from my reading will hold up to anything I'm gonna be doing to the motor any time soon, so why would I go buy a C4? Should have mentioned that an auto transmission is temporary, at somepoint in the future I will be replacing it with a TKO500.

As I said I alredy have the motor mounts. And for what that kit costs I can install the motor and have it running, where as if I bought that kit I would still have to get everything to finish up the motor.
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nevermind i was just trying to help i read what you wrote wrong no need to get defencive just putting some info out there tis all
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Sorry, wasn't meaning to sound defensive. I was just stating some things that I should have to begin with. I just don't see the need to go buy a C4 when this AOD will work just fine.
That's just my opinion about the kit. For that price I can have everything that is in that kit, plus some other stuff I need, and I'll know what I'm getting.
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The only problem with a speed-density setup is that it is not very tolerant of changes. It doesn't actually measure air flow into the engine. Instead, it uses a set of calibrated tables based on manifold pressure vs. RPM to output the base injector duration.

If you run the same throttle body, cam, heads, intake manifold and exhaust back pressure, etc., that the S-D sytem was calibrated for, it will work fine. Substituting parts from other applications, as you mentioned above, may work just fine or not well at all. It's a bit of a crapshoot.

There's nothing inherently wrong with using a S-D system. But, if you want to use non-standard components, a mass air system will readjust the injector duration for a wide variety of combinations that might not work well with S-D.
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Well since I have all the 150 stuff, and will be converting to MAF someday I will try it and see. If it doesn't work I will just go back to what it knows. If it doesn't work I may be able to find someone that can reprogram the computer for the changes made.
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Hey Zach I really didn't mean to get defensive. It's just that I can get a little stubborn when I know what I want. I should also admit that part of my reason for undertaing this project with EFI is to learn what makes the thing work, I learn bets from hands on experience, and fiddling with stuff.

I have decided that I am going to go with L&L for my headers, I emailed them to find out about the O2 sensor ports since I couldn't find an answer, I'll post their reply for future reference.

"Thank you for your interest in our products.
The headers will come with the 02 sensor bungs. We do not
send them installed in the headers because of the range of
years in which the headers can be used. We send 2 sensor
bungs and they are generally installed by customers in the
collector reducers that we send with the headers.
Part #797302 $425.75 plus s/h
The headers are also available without the nickel plating,
please note that without the plating there is no warranty.
Part #797302 Unplated $325.75 plus s/h
Thank you again, and please let us know if you have any
other questions.
Feel free to contact us at 972-475-5202."
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Hey Zach I really didn't mean to get defensive. It's just that I can get a little stubborn when I know what I want. I should also admit that part of my reason for undertaing this project with EFI is to learn what makes the thing work, I learn bets from hands on experience, and fiddling with stuff.
EFI is not that hard to figure out. really. people just get scared of it. i was just making a suggestion becuase people do EFI and spend alot of $ doing it when if its not a daily driver you can make 10X more HP for your $ with carb. tis all. thats why i am not EFIing my Splash it will cost me like $2500 to have a built motor and C4 now flip it and do a built AOD and EFI 302 your looking at FAR more $ thats all.

btw this might help if you have wiring problems...
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp
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Actually if I can stick with the truck EFI for now I think it will only cost me arround $1000. And I'm thinking arround $1500 if I have to go over to Mass Air. but part of that is because I'm using the stock motor, and not building it up any for a while.
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Actually if I can stick with the truck EFI for now I think it will only cost me arround $1000. And I'm thinking arround $1500 if I have to go over to Mass Air. but part of that is because I'm using the stock motor, and not building it up any for a while.
that would be why just wait till you want to start modding it... i am going to have a baseline of 300 at the wheels to start and then go from there. and it isnt going to cost half as much as EFI just a fyi...
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The AOD IS in fact computer controlled. It uses a Throttle Valve cable for firm shifts but everything else on it is computer controlled. You'll have to make something yourself for a floor shifter I believe or find a vehicle with an AOD that had one. Most all AOD's were on things like Cougars and Thunderbirds with column shifters. I've had a few AOD's now in cars and they aren't a bad transmission just a VERY sensitive one. They're expensive as all hell to rebuild and the TV cable must be adjusted perfectly or it will fall in gear. If you're set on an AOD you need to just get the whole drivetrain out of a Mercury Cougar or Ford Thunderbird from 1986-1994 with the computer and find a way for it to work. You'll have to run manual gauges then since the computer controlled the electric instrument panels on those but you'll never get that AOD or Speed Density system to work otherwise. You can leave me stubborn replies too if you want but it won't bother me any.
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The AOD IS in fact computer controlled. It uses a Throttle Valve cable for firm shifts but everything else on it is computer controlled. You'll have to make something yourself for a floor shifter I believe or find a vehicle with an AOD that had one. Most all AOD's were on things like Cougars and Thunderbirds with column shifters. I've had a few AOD's now in cars and they aren't a bad transmission just a VERY sensitive one. They're expensive as all hell to rebuild and the TV cable must be adjusted perfectly or it will fall in gear. If you're set on an AOD you need to just get the whole drivetrain out of a Mercury Cougar or Ford Thunderbird from 1986-1994 with the computer and find a way for it to work. You'll have to run manual gauges then since the computer controlled the electric instrument panels on those but you'll never get that AOD or Speed Density system to work otherwise. You can leave me stubborn replies too if you want but it won't bother me any.
i am with him on this one the AOD is a very fusy trans and can be highly anoying...
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josh forget the 5.0 and slap a 350 chevy motor in it!!!!!!! ahahahahahahahA!!!!! JK!!!!
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josh forget the 5.0 and slap a 350 chevy motor in it!!!!!!! ahahahahahahahA!!!!! JK!!!!
The sad and sickening part is how easy it is to drop a 350 and a 700R4 tranny in anything now.
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Dang it Paul I told you once alredy thats ha, not ah!

I have ben thinking about it and if I can come up with one for cheap I will go with the C4. What did they come in? Also what is a good price on a rebuild on one? One of my biggest reasons for not using the C4, aside from the AOD being free, is that I like the idea of having the OD. I will use this truck on the interstate some, but hey I'm putting in a V8 the gas milage is going down the ****ter anyway.

I think my cousin has a C6, for a small block, that is a heavier duty version of the C4 if I'm not mistaken. He may be willing to give me that as well. I'll just have to ask him when I go down their to get the motor tomorrow.

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I just remembered I may be getting my hands on the parts I need to convert to a HO motor. A fella at work is getting annother mustang motor to swap over to the MAF on his 86 mustang. I may be able to talk him out of his extra EMC, TB, intake, and cam, and wiring harness. May also be able to get the Double sump oilpan and other stuff I need to conver it over to that style. Also the timing cover and water pump possibly.

I'll have to see if I can work out a deal to assist him with his swap in exchange for the parts I need, or possibly the entire spare block!
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Sorry for picking yall's brains fellas. I have had a change of heart. Hope someone else finds this info useful. And if anyone has any questions I can help them with feel free to ask.

I've decided to rebuild & Build up the 2.8 instead. This little engine has worked to hard and ben too reliable to just rip it out and replace it with something bigger. After having driven it for the day while getting the drums turned for my other truck it's just to much fun with that little V6.

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