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To answer your question, it is a single cam engine. To swap the cam you have to pull the oil pan (or at least drop it down about a half inch), water pump, timing cover, timing chain, valve covers, upper and lower intake, rocker arms, push rods, lifter retainer, and lifters. Its not too hard, but if you're gonna do it, do it before you put the engine in. Thats why I suggested the 1.7 rockers. Its easy to do even after the engine is in the truck. All you gotta do is pull the upper intake, the valve covers, and then remove the old rockers and install the new ones. Slap the valve covers and intake back on, and SHAAZZAMM!!! More valve lift with very little work. Not to mention the power you will gain from the loss of all that friction. I just bought a set last night. I will be installing those along with a 1" upper intake spacer sometime next week. My next upgrade will be Torque Monsters. Im friggen tired of the stock cast manifolds warping and blowing gaskets from getting too hot while towing. The engine never even gets warm, but those manifolds move like crazy when hot! Its a very bad design. I know its a lot of money, but it would be easier to install them before you drop the engine in.

As far as why would it take more than a weekend? Well, things will come up, period. There will be something happen that takes longer than you expected. Its not like you are replacing a 3.0 with another 3.0. You are swapping an entire drivetrain and wiring harness. What if that adapter isn't the correct length? What if your drive shafts have to be modified? What if the PATS system doesn't work correctly??? I mean, there is a lot to it. Im sorry, but you better at least make arrangements to borrow a car if it doesn't get done. I truly wish you the best of luck, but I have done these kinds of things, and I am a professional mechanic (used to be my day job, now I do it on the side in my own shop), and I just don't see it happening in one weekend. MAYBE 2, but not one. But hey, I hope you can get it done, and nothing comes up b-c it will be awesome if you can finish it in a few days.

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yea ive done a few motor swaps, im anticipating about a weeks worth of continuous work.. But my main goal in that weekend is to get it atleast running or all it would need is a tow to have the pats configured and exhaust. Im a mechanic too but not in vehicles but other heavy equipment. So im mechanically inclined. What im doing here is wishful thinking since this is my daily driver and i neeeeeeed it back on the road... I will have a car to borrow but not for long. Just for a few days. No biggie there. Ill be alright, ill take lots of pics and questions will probably arise while doing this swap so stay tuned lol..

Thanks for all the help. I appreciate it alot!
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Hey, no problem man. Thats what we are here for. I understand the wishful thinking, and being positive is a good thing, but Im just saying don't depend on tearing it down on a Friday afternoon and having it running on Sunday evening lol. Sounds like you won't have too much trouble with it. One thing I would suggest though. There are small things you can do before you tear the truck down, like getting the adapter on the trans. Little things like that take time to do, so get them out of the way first. That way once you get you old drivetrain out, you can swap the t-case over in like 10 mins, and then drop the new engine in and start hooking everything up.
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Tyler let me know what spacer you get. I was trying to find them the other day and couldnt remember which one i was going to get way back. I think I'm going to do the rockers soon too. and TM's when I can
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Yea those will work. The 1.7 rockers also came on the 94 to 95 cobra mustangs, that's what mine are from.
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Right now as far as parts go for the truck im looking at:

New motor mounts- 2 engine and 1 transmission
Taurus E-fan
Torque Monster headers
Gatorback belt
Maybe some 1.7 roller rockers(havent found any at a decent price yet)

Hey Andy, you got a pm about the efan.. let me know. Thanks buddy
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Those WILL NOT work without having the heads machined for screw in studs. Thats not the way to go. With those you have to pay for the machine work, buy studs, pushrod guide plates, and hardened pushrods. Ford put 1.7 Crane Roller rockers on the 93-95 Cobra 5.0s from the factory. They are a direct bolt on for your engine and require no machine work or extra parts. I received my set of factory ones today, which I bought off ebay.

Here is a link to another set:

Ford Racing Crane cams 1.7 roller rockers mustang cobra:eBay Motors (item 220459754321 end time Aug-05-09 12:53:52 PDT)

or this set

87-93 FORD MUSTANG COBRA 1.70 ROLLER ROCKER ARMS LX GT:eBay Motors (item 160352947288 end time Aug-08-09 17:20:49 PDT)

And just so you know, the factory explorer valve covers will not work with the roller rockers. You can use the aluminum GT Mustang ones, but you will have to cut the baffles out so they will clear. Or, if you can find a set, the stamped steel 93-95 Cobra covers will bolt on and clear with no mods. Of course, you can also run taller after market covers, but that may require you to run an intake spacer like the one listed below. Any factory cover will fit without the spacer.

Andy, I am getting the Trick Flow 1" spacer. Should help out with my bottom end and mid range torque.
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-51520018/

I really need the toque monsters too. Every time I tow my jeep they get hot enough to warp a little and blow the gaskets out. I just don't have $700 to spend on them right now.

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dude you ROCK and i did see those 1.7 roller rockers on ebay yesterday and was going to bid on them but wasnt sure if those would work but you say they do so ill see about winning them :) Ill look in to new valve covers as well from the the cobra

If the motors out of the truck, might as well do the extra bolt on's now.. Im sure its a lot easier out of the truck lol
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Yep, way easier to do them now. Like I said, the Cobra Rockers are the way to go. They bolt right on and thats that, no other mods needed, except for the different valve covers of course. You get the same effect and as good if not better quality than the after market ones. I mean, they are a factory part lol. They were made for Ford by Crane, and say Crane cams on them, but have the Ford logo and a Ford Part Number on them.

I just ordered my intake spacer, I had $40 in summit bucks built up so I got it for $40 shipped. Not bad at all if you ask me.
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hell yeah I'm going to have to hit up that spacer and rockers soon. Like you I dont quite have the money for the headers yet, but atleast I can get those into the motor for now.
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Well here's the deal... It's either i buy the Torque monster headers or the roller rockers. I really dont want to cut myself too short with this motor install. I want that extra cash just in case something else comes up. I opted for the headers for right now. Figure i can still manage to get to the roller rockers installed later on down the road when funds are available. Headers just seem like the logical choice right now. Cant go wrong with the power gain and potential mpg increase. Ill go ahead and pick them up today so ill have them by the time the motor is here next week :)
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You can always bolt in the rockers with the engine in the truck.
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Ok ya'll just bought the Torque Monster headers. 724 bucks shipped YIKES.. But will soon pay for itself with the MPG increase.

And Christian thats what i was thinking, Install the roller rockers while the motor is in the truck. I figured the headers would be a little bit more of a pain to install while in the truck than these roller rockers lol
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Smart choice. The factory rockers are usually pretty easy to find on ebay, and if you must do one or the other, the headers were the correct choice. While they can most likely be installed once the engine is in, it will be a lot easier out of the truck. The rockers are about the same amount of work either way. No reason they can't be changed in the truck. I should be able to verify this after tomorrow night. I picked up a set of GT aluminum valve covers today, and got the baffle raised up. It was a rather big PITA, had to do a lot of grinding in the cover, JB weld up a hole I accidentally cut in the side of it (doah!) I also had to cut a section out of the baffle itself, and then weld it back together. It only took about an hour and a half so it wasn't horrible, but I have the correct tools to do the job. A novice that can't weld, should really try to find the Stamped Cobra ones. I also figured out that I will need longer Valve cover bolts, and I will have to cut the oil filler tube off of the Aluminum covers b/c the explorer uses a rubber hose and 2 clamps to connect the upper part of the filler to the valve cover. The GT one is all one piece and is a lot shorter. It works out though b/c I will be able to raise the oil filler up an inch to match the higher intake.

I know thats a lot of info, but I hope it all makes sense.
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Sorry for such the small pics but thats all i could get for now! Ill have the TM headers here by next friday which is PERFECT timing for the weekend:
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My guess is ill probably have to crank my coilovers a little bit more now after this swap....

What are the weight difference between the 5.0 and 3.0s??
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Everything is bought officially and being shipped to me!! 1170 for the whole swap, misc parts included and all... Thats not including the adapter and headers i bought... Maybe close to 2200 bucks in this project now. Not too bad.
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you will.... I have to get it installed first homie :)
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The E303 cam is more of a Car Cam and shouldn't be used unless you know the spec.
If you do go to a new Cam, get something with a high lift (around .525")and short duration.
If I were you, I would contact Comp Cams and talk to there tech department.
Tell them everything about the truck, especially the OBDII, and how you want to drive it.

The 1.7 Rockers are a good idea if you do not intent to replace the cam except, make sure the extra lift doesn't cause an interference problem with the pistons.
I know they were used on Cobras but the the Cobra engines were designed for them.

The headers are a great idea, a lot of added torque (hopefully) and added sound and should work well with the new cam.

Luck and keep the info coming.

Note: I have a 03 Edge 3.0 and am looking for all of the info possible, I want to do a V-8 swap somewhere down the road.

thanks for posting it.
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If I do the roller rockers then im not doin cams, vise-versa :)

Parts from my 3.0 motor for sale in the classified if you want something, let me know :)
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It is official, the Cobra rockers will work, they are installed on my engine along with the 1" intake spacer. It does seem peppier, but not a huge improvement, I feel that the exhaust manifolds are really holding it back. Also, I may be removing the rockers and returning them b/c they are rather worn and click.... Its unfortunate. Also, I was looking through summit today and found the same ones new for $200 a set, should've gone that way. If I can get my money back I will just order a set of those before I remove these.

Also, for anyone who is curious about the spacer, do not get the GT-40 one. Get one for a cobra intake. The GT-40 kit has the wrong length bolts in it.
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wheres the link to the new ones... Did you also replace the valve covers as well when doing the rockers? Thanks for the tip, good work :)
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I couldn't find the crane ones online, they are in a catalog at work, so I will try and get that part number tomorrow if I remember. However, I was able to find these from Proform. They are basically the same thing, and are cheaper. The quality is great on these. I have a similar set from Proform in the 347 in my mustang. If I get the money back from the factory ones I got on eBay, I may get these since the price is right. Although, I was trying to use Ford production parts to kinda fit my theme.

Here they are:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRO-66878/

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