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Now i heard if it's not wired to your head unit then the quality of the music will be like FM quality, so is that true, cause i hate it when you crank up the radio and u get that fuzz and noise in the background. I made up my mind.... Sirius radio is for me. they got massive Electronica & Dance stations ^_^...
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If you want a really good deal. Goto RadioShack, lol (I sound like a commercial) They have the reciever, home dock, and car dock for 149.99. Right now we have 3 different ones, the Orbiter (our brand) one made by Sanyo, and we are starting to carry the Sportsters. I like Sirrius over XM, but then again I sell it...
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Now i heard if it's not wired to your head unit then the quality of the music will be like FM quality, so is that true, cause i hate it when you crank up the radio and u get that fuzz and noise in the background. I made up my mind.... Sirius radio is for me. they got massive Electronica & Dance stations ^_^...
If you're one of those people with a huge aftermarket system and you listen to everything at 140dB then the modulator might be a problem, but for the 97% of America that doesn't blow out the factory speakers, the FM modulator sounds fine.

I'll be using a modulator to install my XM kit.
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u shouldnt notice that much of a distortion....i'm an audiophile and i notice EVERYTHING that i hear...

theres just some things u have to accept....
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u shouldnt notice that much of a distortion....i'm an audiophile and i notice EVERYTHING that i hear...

theres just some things u have to accept....
NEVER!!!!! WE WILL FIGHT, WE WILL PREVAIL, WE WILL... oh wait...
(remembers he's not William Wallace)

Seriously though, I think it is possible to add an AUX in to our radios through the CD changer interface. I just haven't been able to get ahold of a schematic for our radios to check and see and have been too lazy to take mine apart. I'll keep looking into it, but if there are sites out there that offer IPOD controls though that interface, then it stands to reason that a couple of AUX jacks wouldn't be very hard to do. I'll keep you up to date with anything that I find.
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NEVER!!!!! WE WILL FIGHT, WE WILL PREVAIL, WE WILL... oh wait...
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Seriously though, I think it is possible to add an AUX in to our radios through the CD changer interface. I just haven't been able to get ahold of a schematic for our radios to check and see and have been too lazy to take mine apart. I'll keep looking into it, but if there are sites out there that offer IPOD controls though that interface, then it stands to reason that a couple of AUX jacks wouldn't be very hard to do. I'll keep you up to date with anything that I find.

PIE and another company make direct aux inputs. I was going to go this route except in the notes of their product lineup it says it will not work with the 03 6 disc changer in a Ranger. What kind of **** is that? lol

I called them and they said something about part numbers changing and techs recommending going to a 2002 radio to use the direct aux. I'm satisfied with the direct FM modulator. I haven't noticed any static like I did with the wireless jobby. Hope that helps.
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Do they have XM or Sirrus in Japan? Nope, but I can pull in 79.1FM! Try to do that on your US based receivers! hah!
My new portable (Creative Zen Micro) will tune from 76-90 Mhz.. when in the Japan region setting. Was playing w/ it the first day and found that out. Kinda wild..

Piping audio in on an aftermarket deck is sooo much easier. For $14 I got a special adapter from crutchfield for my last Kenwood deck which works w/ any CD change enabled Kenwood deck made after something like 1995. It plugs into the changer control port and lets you attach anything that will connect to a set or RCAs (basically anything). On the deck the new input is labeled 'AUX' and is available from the SRC menu just like Tuner, CD or anything else. In fact you can daisy chain things too. I have the Sirius receiver connected the same way. It has a pass-thru port that I can connect my AUX input to. Then I'd have Tunder, CD, Sirius, and AUX all available from the SRC menu. It's so easy that I'm almost shocked someone makes it..
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alpine makes one of those kits, which is why i want a alpine head unit so bad, and the i pod controller they got ^_^
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Well I use sirius cause we're in alaska..and aren't supposed to be able to get either! Oh yeah, and Bose sucks with their small systems.. But it's a pretty damn nice large system, with woofer and lotsa speakers. But its still too expensive
Here is an article explaining to you why blose sucks.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/article...akers/1255?p=2

I will grant you that there is is no right or wrong when it comes to sound, it's all what you prefer. I'm just trying to open your mind.
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Seriously though, I think it is possible to add an AUX in to our radios through the CD changer interface. I just haven't been able to get ahold of a schematic for our radios to check and see and have been too lazy to take mine apart. I'll keep looking into it, but if there are sites out there that offer IPOD controls though that interface, then it stands to reason that a couple of AUX jacks wouldn't be very hard to do. I'll keep you up to date with anything that I find.
I don't doubt that the working parts may be there, but theres no way to switch to an aux input on a factory stereo that isn't pre-wired for it (i.e. no button go to, and they're not set up to automatically switch to that aux input when its detected, they send a signal out to turn the aux input on.)

A possible solution would be to get one of the newer "sirius equipped" headunits, it has an "aux" button right on it. I'm sure either that one or the "Sat" button could be made to operate an XM or iPod with enough work, as they only use a regular 2U6F cable that we use to install CD changers.
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Here is an article explaining to you why blose sucks.

http://www.smarthouse.com.au/article...akers/1255?p=2

I will grant you that there is is no right or wrong when it comes to sound, it's all what you prefer. I'm just trying to open your mind.
Well fire of all I didn't buy it, in fact I couldnt afford 1/5th of a Bose system. Second of all, from that article I read it seem the argument is bullcrap. I'm not sayin here that Bose doesnt suck but this is their argument.

"The normal speakers(not audiophiles) will not know that Bose is terrible sound but we do! We can hear it! See, you can buy huge speakers that can keep perfect rates that...welll..even though you can't tell the difference in the flatness of the wave, its still very important. And as for having smaller speakers, thats just stupid. If your speakers arent at least a foot wide and tall to make the sounds one Bose 3 inch cube makes, then you're obviously not big enough. So to sum it all up, heres 3 audio rules.
1. If it sounds good and is Bose, it really doesn't, its all in your head.
2. Audiophiles are like dogs, they can hear impossible sounds. So remember, buy your speakers so that they can play sounds you can't even hear, perfectly!
3. The bigger the better! Why have a space saving system when you can have a hulkin huge system!?"

Ok, thats what I call a rant... So yeah, the speakers work damn good well, the only system better is the one in my truck,and thats because I think Ford puts very good speakers in our trucks. And also, that small Bose cd player thingie they sell in all papers does blow.
Of course there are better systems, but they cost more than the article writers allude to. And another thing, Bose is like Hemi engines, they used to be good back in the day but now they are just living off of their reputation for performance of their old high quality products. We have some really old Bose huge speakers that are really good, and I swear they're gonna catch fire from bein so old.

Aaron

Oh, I prefer other systems myself but my parents are old fashioned and its easier to convince them to get something from a company they trust. My stereo system is a 5 year old Panasonic 5-disc thingie that I bought just months before Stereo systems became huge ugly hulking plastic covered speakers.
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I read the article Dave linked in, and that's not what it says at all! What it says is that they don't sound as good as you THINK they do because Bose has hyped up their product so much. Basically Bose has done a great job at building a well marketed product who's performance is adaqute, but not as stunning as the marketing material makes you think it is. If you were to put a Bose system side by side w/ a comparably priced 'hi-fi' system the differences would likely be far far more evident. .. But because of Bose's buisness practices (I'll get to that in a sec), you never will!

The questionable business practices they outline in the article are precisely why I for one would never consider a Bose system. Specifically the practice of mandating that retailers have a seperate area for Bose products and Bose products only and prohibiting retailers from doing real, live A/B comparisons w/ competing products. Doesn't this sound fishy to you? If you were shopping for a new truck and Ford dealers made you sign a waiver mandating that you not test drive another truck for 30 days (AND figured out a way to enforce it), would you? That's esentially what they are doing. In my experience A/B comparisons are of critical importance when picking home theater/hi-fi equipment.

Notice that all the testimonials they have in favor of the equipment is from retailers that cite how the Bose marketing materials and practices gets shoppers in the door at their shops. Is that really important to you as a consumer? Personally I don't give a rats *** about the marketing material, I care about the product. After all, that's what I'm buying..

And the premise of bigger is better is not advocated by many (if any) speaker makers these days. I too used to think nothing beats a 15" woofer, then I did some listening at some shops. The secret to a good speaker these days is a bunch of smaller drivers, not one large driver as you see in speakers from the 70's and 80's. Lots of smaller drivers creates a far more accurate sound. Freshman year I knew a guy w/ a set of Cerwin Vegas w/ 15" drivers. Sure, they made some serious bass, but they sounded like ***. They were totally incapable of producing any midrange or respectable highs. Even the bass was fairly muddy and innacurate..

And I have some experience shopping for audio equipment. I listen to a crapload of music and take my home theater fairly seriously. Now I've had similar conversations w/ Dave before, and I'm pretty sure his setup trumps mine. But right now I'm typing this while listening to some Blues recordings on my home system of a Sony ES receiver tied to a pair of Polk Audio floor standers. I spent probably 1.5 years shopping for those speakers! (What can I say? I don't part w/ my money easily!) I listened to everything from the cheapest of the cheap on up through exotic sets that cost upwards of $2k a set. (I know, I know, $2k ain't much for speakers overall, but it's a lot FOR ME!) In the end I bought the Polks 'cause they were the best bang for the buck based on my listening experience and what kind of sound I was after.. And I did a lot of listening! ... And you can bet your *** I did some live A/B comparisons!

As an aside, my advice for demoing speakers is to bring your own mix CD. Put together a mix CD w/ a bunch of different tracks representing a real cross section of what you listen to. My problem is I listen to a lot of different types of music, everything from Country, to Pop, to R&B, to Blues, to the occasional Classical peice. My speaker demo represents some of the better recordings I have from my collection. I'd never just pop it in the deck for a random listen as it's far to eclectic. But I always have it in the glovebox in the truck, just incase I want to give a set of speakers or an amp a workout, Bubba style! The worst thing you can do is rely exclusively on what the salespeople want you to hear. They always pick bits that are picked to sound good on what they want to sell to you, not what you want to buy. This is why places like Best Buy are such bad places to buy good audio gear: you (usually) can't pop in your own stuff and demo it.

But anyway..
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Damnit NHBubba you just have to have a good argument. Lotsa stuff I didn't know. But you have to realize the difference isn't really notable unless your an audiophile or you have sound range measuring devices.
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Damnit NHBubba you just have to have a good argument. Lotsa stuff I didn't know. But you have to realize the difference isn't really notable unless your an audiophile or you have sound range measuring devices.
I disagree. All you need to do is spend some time with other brands and try them out. In fact, I bet you can hear the difference between speaker cables and interconnects. 10 years ago I would have thought what I am saying is stupid too, but it isn't. All it takes is some time to get familiar with the way your system sounds.

I would put my $300 6.5 inch Tannoy speakers that I have in my bedroom up against any blose speaker any day.

Blose is also the only speaker manufacturer that does not list any specifications for its products. I know they try and tell you that none of that matters, and I would agree with that somewhat, but it is really odd that they won't tell you what the frequency response of their driver is.

Colin, I have 15" cerwin vegas, in my garage! I used to have them as my main system growing up. They play loud and have tons of bottom end. The cerwin vega secret is ultra high sensitivity (102db, vs. my maggies 86db) and a 4 ohm impedance. They'll beat anything you compare them to in loudness, and loudness is better. (the secret weapon of any A/B comparison test, they make the one they want you to buy slightly louder. That's how blose does it too, the frequencies you are most sensitive to are louder so you perceive the sound as better) As I grew older and heard other speakers I started to realize what I was missing with the vegas. Since then I have shunned cone drivers and speaker boxes all together. The maggies don't have either of those things.
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The other side of the argument is that things are only worth what you're willing to pay. Dave's 'Maggies' are just a touch outside of what I personally am willing to spend. In my case a set of (comparitively innexpensive, foreign made) Polks is 'good enough' for my needs. I don't subscribe to the notion that you need to spend a lot on things like speaker wire. Personally speaking a chunk of 12-gauge lamp wire is good enough for me. I've gone out and spent the extra money for the braided coper monster wire w/ fancy quick connects over the years, but that's only because I was once in college and moving from apartment to apartment every 6 months. The softer Monster stuff was easier to handle. If your on a budget like I am I think you're better off spending the money on better components and/or speakers than fancy wire. But again, that's me..

If it weren't for the high prices, Bose speakers would be just fine in my book. It's the rather shady marketing and business practices they employ, combined w/ the high prices they ask that does them in for me.

Next time you're in a store that offers Bose products, give them a listen. Then immediately walk over to the rest of the speakers and give a listen to a comparitively priced set. You might be surprised at the differences you hear..
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.I don't subscribe to the notion that you need to spend a lot on things like speaker wire. Personally speaking a chunk of 12-gauge lamp wire is good enough for me. I've gone out and spent the extra money for the braided coper monster wire w/ fancy quick connects over the years, but that's only because I was once in college and moving from apartment to apartment every 6 months. The softer Monster stuff was easier to handle. If your on a budget like I am I think you're better off spending the money on better components and/or speakers than fancy wire. But again, that's me..

I use straight solid conducter copper 12 and 14 gauge wires in a bi-wire setup. It's just regular household electrical wiring with a value of maybe $10, probably less. They sounded a bit better than the stranded copper monster cable stuff I had leftover from the Vegas.

All I said was I bet you could hear the difference in cables, you assumed they would be expensive ones. Interconects are another story.
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You're right. You got me there! Based on the fact that you sprung for a set of speakers of the caliber of your 'maggies', I figured you meant some type of premium wire for sure.. Personally I've never seen any sizable improvement in sound quality from just a cable upgrade, ever! Not that I'm saying a set of 22 guage wires sound just as good as some 10 guage stranded-something-or-others. Just that within reason, it's never made a difference in my expereince..

That solid copper stuff must be a reall ***** to work w/!

My potential future inlaws (read: GF's folks) re-did their family room this last summer. Her dad's a half decent carpenter. Although moderately slow, he certianly does a good job. As they were getting ready to finish the room off they dragged me over one weekend and asked me to wire their home theater setup. He went into a Cambridge Soundworks retailer, which rates right up there w/ Bose in my opinion, and bought whatever the salesman sold him. They ended up w/ this funky 4.1 surround system that I think sounds horrible. But he already had bought the wire and had it run through the walls. He paid top dollar for some fancy 'in-wall' speaker cable.. You know what the stuff was?! Friggin' Romex! The copper is supposed to be some premium grade, extra oxegen free something-or-other, but it's basically romex. And I'm sure he paid 2x what you'd pay at any normal home improvement store. All to power this cheazy little satellite speaker system that probably couldn't swallow much over 100 watts if it tried.

The best was when I went to hook all the components up. They didn't have enough patch cables to do it right, so we went out shopping for more. We went in one direction and ended up at the only electronics store Bri knew about in the area, the Cambridge store. I walked in and asked for A/V patch cables. I forget exactly how much they were charging for the stuff, but it was something like $40 for a 3' patch! I laughed at the guy and asked where the 'normal' cables were.. ..and he answered! Seems they keep the regular, $20 cables out back. I still thought $20 was too much. We drove back accross town to Walmart and got basically the same thing, exept in 6' sizes for like $12 ea! I'll never get over the look on the guys face when I laughed at him for offering me $40 patch cables! The worst part is I'm sure they sell that crap all the time. People these days really do have too much bloody money!

But anyway..
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I used to think all cables were the same, and all speaker wires are the same, but they aren't. Whether some sound better or worse than others is up to the tweaker to decide.

In my case I was unemployed at the time so I decided to try different cables I had lying around. I had 10 feet of your average monster cable on each side to start with. Then I cut the wire in half, I could actually hear the difference. Then I went and got the 12 ga. stuff and I could hear the difference between that and the two different monster lengths.

There was another time that I had your cheap average everday interconnects in my system and I was very unhappy with the subwoofers performance so I was at the store looking at new subs and thinking of upgrading. I didn't buy anything, and I don't know what caused me to do this, but I got new interconnects to go from the CD player to the subwoofer and from the sub to the amp. That was my system, two components, no preamp. I've got a preamp back in there now because it is kinda hard to switch sources without it. Anyway, I bought some average interconnects, monster cable mid grade stuff. It sounded like a new subwoofer, the bass wen't much deeper with the new cables.
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Eh.. I rely on my receiver to do most D/A processing these days anyhow. I've got nearly everything set up to go optically from component to the receiver. And w/ digital it either works or it doesn't! ... Although I shouldn't do this. Back in college we took my CD player (a rather innexpensive Technics 5 disc changer) and hooked it up to my buddy's oh-my-gawd THX certified, Burr-Brown powered receiver two ways, digitally via an optical interconnect and via cheapie RCAs (probably the patch that came w/ the changer!). I did the button pushing and we did a pretty respectable blind comparison.. We actually prefered the sound w/ the Technics doing the DAC work! He was amazed, figuring only God himself could do a better DAC job than his prized new receiver..

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I even have a test CD that has the same recording with A/D conversion by different methods, and you can hear the difference. It is all 0's and 1's but there is more to it than that. The main enemy I would guess is jitter, time differential problems as to when all the data happens.

I just have a 14 year old Sony ES changer that has given me incredible value for the $540 I spent on it back in 1991.

I have receivers in the basement, bedroom and garage and they are all two channel systems. For any critical listening I am always going to have seperates, and two channels at that. It's getting hard to find a two channel receiver these days!
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I'm sure. Glad to hear you ES is treating you well. I somehow always seem to end up w/ Sony equipment, and I'm not neccesarily happy about that. Shortly after graduation I had a sign-on bonus and moving expense check to burn (college kids have no suff, hence we pocket moving expenses thank you very much!). I walked into my local medium-fi outlet determined to get a nice Denon or maybe a Pioneer Elite series receiver, anything but Sony. Seperates are just too much for me, at least for common use. Maybe someday.. I walked out w/ a better spec'ed Sony ES set and a confused look on my face! Somehow the guy talked me into the Sony because it was on clearance. It's okay, but the sound isn't quite as perfect as I'd like. Next time I'll steer clear of Sony.. I actually kind of sort of half wish the thing would take a dump and force me to go shopping! But I know it won't, you're story only reinforces that. .. The trick two-way remote is pretty nice though!

I know you say you stick to seperates, but what's your take on Onkyo? They've got a new net-something-er-other protocol that'll play MP3s (and maybe WMAs) off a remote PC over a twisted pair line. Sounds gimicky to me, but man, I'd buy that in a heartbeat if they'd make a seperate box that did it!
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I only use Sony gear for source equipment. My Sony ES tape deck only lasted about 6 years if that makes you feel better. I never replaced it and the Sony store couldn't get a replacement drive motor for it so I junked it. That CD player must have a million hours on it though. It is seriouly used and it has never even thought about breaking. My dad has a 10 year old ES receiver. I've never been a fan of sony receivers, but then again I am not a fan of any receiver. The nice thing about seperates is you only have to replace the part that gets outdated, or the one you don't like anymore.

You can also do that Onkyo net thing wireless. It's a nice looking unit, but at $400 I would almost want to build a PC first. You can run up to 4 of them on a network and they have a built in 15w/ch amp and an aux in for a CD player or something. That's an area of the market that is going to explode in the next couple years. I expect lots of new products in that vein very shortly. Why do you think I am putting all my CD's on the computer?

I used to have an Onkyo when I was in high school. Saved up from my paper route to buy it. I admit that I am a two channel relic, and I am comfortable with that. These days I am more interested in names like audio research and manley labs as far as amplification goes. Maggies are thirsty for power and that means big bucks.

Check out this site www.manleylabs.com This is what I would have if money was no object. The cool thing is you can email her and she usually responds within hours. She into motorcycles too and we discussed my needs for expensive tube amps and motorcycles and that my financial abilities will only allow me to have one or the other. This is what I want. WHen I've got $10,000 I'll pick up a pair. http://www.manleylabs.com/containerpages/250_Y2K.html

Of course I'll need a preamp too.....
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Tubes uh? I've always sort of classified you tube people w/ the UFO & crop circle crowd. I'd probably never be able to really tell the difference. And I certianly couldn't justify ten grand! But hey, it takes all kinds eh..
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You could tell if you heard one. I'm still not into vinyl yet though.

You don't need 10 large to get a tube amp. I need a big tube amp because the maggies are very inefficient.
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