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Old 07-22-2008
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You just DONT get it and keep on babbling more rubbish..

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This law was written to protect the public against vehicle manufactures demanding that only their consumable parts (oil filters, oil, etc.) could be
used, or the warranty was void. Bottom line, you can use a Purolator oil
filter, instead of a Motorcraft oil filter and your warranty will not be void!
"Performance" mods are a different story, period, as stated by Joe Bradley!

A little more detail:

I’ll try to make this as short as possible so please bear with me. First, I am not expert and this is ONLY my opinion based on reading not only the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act but many other articles written based off of it.
Davis v. Southern Energy Homes, Inc. 305 F.3d 1268 (11th Cir. 2002), Did you ever see how that ' Act ' has been applied into the consumer world? Ever reviewed any case-law from it or did your ' divinely opinion ' exempt such?

Heres one for you, :

Koons Ford of Baltimore, Inc v. Lobach, No. 66, September Term, 2006
FEDERAL ARBITRATION ACT – MAGNUSON-MOSS WARRANTY ACT – BINDING
ARBITRATION – SINGLE DOCUMENT RULE – According to the text of the Magnuson-
Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. 2301 et seq., claimants cannot be forced to resolve their
claims through binding arbitration; the MMWA therefore supersedes the Federal Arbitration
Act, 9 U.S.C. 1 et. seq, as to this point. This conclusion is based on the congressional
intent at the time that the MMWA was enacted, as well as the FTC regulations promulgated
in conjunction with the MMWA.

Looks like ford tried to deny a warranty for exactly of what you speak, did they lost their ***** in court?

Lets hear YOUR side of it, ' Know it all '. The MMWA supercedes what? ' Binding arbitration '. Hmm, can you tell us what THAT might be?

Check this one out.

http://www.state.il.us/court/OPINION...ML/1952081.txt

A mobile home with some ' Ford ' parts.

How about a Bar Memorandum in the State of Jersey..

http://www.lawrev.state.nj.us/ucita/M000214b.pdf

" Any written warranty shall fully and conspicuously
disclose in simple and readily understood language the terms and conditions of the
warranty."

If that owners manual says ' no nitrous, blowers, tuners nor pullies '.. they MIGHT get away with disallowing warranty work. But does your rangers ' Owner Manual ' state EXACTLY such?

Simple language, you should comprehend it sometime, mate.

Don't say ' pwn3d ' YET folks.. theres more!

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The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act was intended and is intended to protect the consumer, the person who bought the vehicle, from the manufacture dictating to them, the consumer, that they MUST use the manufactures oils, filters, belts, tires, etc, the list goes on.
Somewhat correct, but not fully.

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Now, a manufacture can FORCE you to use only their parts BUT if they do they, the manufacture, must supply it to you free of charge and free of any labor cost. That is the very short version of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
Totally wrong. A MFGR cannot FORCE anyone to buy a specific part/item/entity. That would be Racketeering and Extortion.

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The “Act” will NOT protect you if you install “performance enhancing” parts, such as a supercharger, nitrous oxide, suspension kits, etc. The reason is when you install those kinds of parts you are in fact “altering” the original design of the vehicle and frankly I would stand side by side with any manufacture in any court and take their side.
Yeah, with their (insert whatever you all want to here) in your cranial orafice as well. You just cannot stop spreading dis-information at all.

A pulley and tuner do NOT void a factory warrenty.

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No one has a right to alter the vehicles original design AND then expect the manufacture to warranty items rendered defective because of said parts. For example if you install a supercharger and blow your motor, transmission or rear-end tough luck that’s your fault and NOT the manufactures.
What about the Pulley and Tuner? Stay with the program will ya!

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With that said, the above example would ONLY render your power train warranty invalided but none of the rest of the warranty. People look at the warranty as a complete package and it is NOT, it has many entities to it such as electrical, suspension etc. While one may be rendered invalid the rest is not.

Personally I hope no manufacture would ever have to pay for repairs to someone’s vehicle that puts on a cold air intake and then blows the motor because of a lean condition. If the manufacture was ever forced to do those then guess what? We all pay for the dummies who know nothing about properly tuning a vehicle.
No wonder yours is stock! Thanks for informing us why!

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The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is ONLY FOR aftermarket parts that MEET the manufactures specifications.
No shiznit! X-cal and most UDP MFGR's.. guess what they do? ' Meet or exceeds.. '.. Tell us all what they ' meet or exceed '!

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The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is NOT and has NEVER been for aftermarket PERFORMANCE INHANCING parts.
2 things here.

1.) Fords Warranty and your banter mean NOTHING in case law nor in the courts.
2.) If a part was made that ' meets or exceeds ' OEM standards, its a slam shut case.

Your ' Only OEM is good ' rubbish is getting VERY old ' Bob '.

Lets see.. Intakes, Tuners, Pullies, Exhausts.. Just what do YOU think can actually be modified without God's blessing and receive praise? You ever heard of SEMA? Ever checked out their site and took a GOOD LOOK at what your preaching in comparison to what the laws of our land state?

Ok folks.. you all can say it now..

Last edited by D.; 07-22-2008 at 08:25 PM.
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i'll say it D

bob, your an idiot!

this is a site for ranger enthusiasts that want to personalize there trucks and gain information on how to do it!

not for some old *** that thinks there OEM way is the only way.

D i can look up some old stuff from a site i used to hang out on years ago, he was spewing the same crap and was run off. i'll see if i can find it tomorrow.

so bob on a side note, so now that i converted my truck to 4WD have i voided anything that may still be warranted? OMG i need to clean my filter again, wow i have had zero problems with it for the last 4 years! oh crap my electric fan is causing death to my transmission, drove 200 miles one way while towing a 1000lb trailer with the AC on, the trans temp got to 200 degrees, averaged 185. its gonna blow i just know it!

D, you and i both know (as well as others that can do something) that he is never going to change, and will never post anything but links to others opinions.

see i look at it this way, bob must cringe when he looks at say Zbeards truck, OMFG he put a JEEP axle under his ford!! its the end of the world!!!!! OMFG now it has a full width dana 44 and a dana 60 under it! hes gonna have a heart attack!

he needs to go somewhere else and spew his crap. this is not the forum for his garbage!
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Old 07-23-2008
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Mark..

Its as you stated, an ' Enthusiasts Forum '. There have been MANY examples of where people have done things and had great results. These happenings are then spread so others may enjoy them.

Sure, there are instances where people have damaged their trucks, but for the most part, its accepted that bad results MAY happen at some time.

Has the Guy ever even posted a picture of his truck? Ever even posted any tales of the road or offroading? How about a ' stuck ' incident? ANYTHING at all about HIS truck?
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You just DONT get it and keep on babbling more rubbish..



Davis v. Southern Energy Homes, Inc. 305 F.3d 1268 (11th Cir. 2002), Did you ever see how that ' Act ' has been applied into the consumer world? Ever reviewed any case-law from it or did your ' divinely opinion ' exempt such?

Heres one for you, :

Koons Ford of Baltimore, Inc v. Lobach, No. 66, September Term, 2006
FEDERAL ARBITRATION ACT – MAGNUSON-MOSS WARRANTY ACT – BINDING
ARBITRATION – SINGLE DOCUMENT RULE – According to the text of the Magnuson-
Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. 2301 et seq., claimants cannot be forced to resolve their
claims through binding arbitration; the MMWA therefore supersedes the Federal Arbitration
Act, 9 U.S.C. 1 et. seq, as to this point. This conclusion is based on the congressional
intent at the time that the MMWA was enacted, as well as the FTC regulations promulgated
in conjunction with the MMWA.

Looks like ford tried to deny a warranty for exactly of what you speak, did they lost their ***** in court?

Lets hear YOUR side of it, ' Know it all '. The MMWA supercedes what? ' Binding arbitration '. Hmm, can you tell us what THAT might be?

Check this one out.

http://www.state.il.us/court/OPINION...ML/1952081.txt

A mobile home with some ' Ford ' parts.

How about a Bar Memorandum in the State of Jersey..

http://www.lawrev.state.nj.us/ucita/M000214b.pdf

" Any written warranty shall fully and conspicuously
disclose in simple and readily understood language the terms and conditions of the
warranty."

If that owners manual says ' no nitrous, blowers, tuners nor pullies '.. they MIGHT get away with disallowing warranty work. But does your rangers ' Owner Manual ' state EXACTLY such?

Simple language, you should comprehend it sometime, mate.

Don't say ' pwn3d ' YET folks.. theres more!



Somewhat correct, but not fully.



Totally wrong. A MFGR cannot FORCE anyone to buy a specific part/item/entity. That would be Racketeering and Extortion.



Yeah, with their (insert whatever you all want to here) in your cranial orafice as well. You just cannot stop spreading dis-information at all.

A pulley and tuner do NOT void a factory warrenty.



What about the Pulley and Tuner? Stay with the program will ya!



No wonder yours is stock! Thanks for informing us why!



No shiznit! X-cal and most UDP MFGR's.. guess what they do? ' Meet or exceeds.. '.. Tell us all what they ' meet or exceed '!



2 things here.

1.) Fords Warranty and your banter mean NOTHING in case law nor in the courts.
2.) If a part was made that ' meets or exceeds ' OEM standards, its a slam shut case.

Your ' Only OEM is good ' rubbish is getting VERY old ' Bob '.

Lets see.. Intakes, Tuners, Pullies, Exhausts.. Just what do YOU think can actually be modified without God's blessing and receive praise? You ever heard of SEMA? Ever checked out their site and took a GOOD LOOK at what your preaching in comparison to what the laws of our land state?

Ok folks.. you all can say it now..

Gee D, can't you do better than that? The cases you showed had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMANCE MODS!!!!!!

I guessed you didn't read my post from Joe Bradley!!!

If the Magnuson-Moss Act protected these "performance" accessory companies, why would K&N put this in their warranty statement:

"K&N will not be responsible for any other expenses incurred by the customer under the terms of this warranty, nor shall it be responsible for any damages either consequential, special, contingent, or otherwise; or expenses or injury arising directly or indirectly from the use of the K&N Air Filter."

D, I suggest you read the Joe Bradley post, and read this! This applies directly to the Magnuson-Moss Act, and PERFORMANCE MODS!!!

http://www.philadelphiaathome.com/de...d=2359&loc=rss


And D, you missed some important information in the Magnuson-Moss Act you posted:

1.The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C))
This federal law regulates warranties for the protection of consumers. The essence of the law concerning aftermarket auto parts is that a vehicle manufacturer may not condition a written or implied warranty on the consumers using parts or services which are identified by brand, trade, or corporate name (such as the vehicle maker's brand) unless the parts or service are provided free of charge. The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided.

From Ford's Warranty:

WHAT IS NOT COVERED?
Damage Caused By:
*accidents, collision or objects striking the vehicle
*theft, vandalism, or riot
*fire or explosion
*freezing
*misusing the vehicle, such as driving over curbs, overloading, racing,
or using the vehicle as a stationary power source
*altering or modifying the vehicle - including the body, chassis, or
components - after the vehicle leaves Ford’s control

*non-Ford parts installed after the vehicle leaves Ford’s control. For
example, but not limited to, cellular phones, alarm systems, and
automatic starting systems

*tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems, or
with other parts that affect these systems



The law states in relevant part:
No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumers using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade or corporate name... (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)).

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nah D he has never posted any pics or useful information for that matter.

he does however take pretty pictures of flowers and stuff.
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I guessed you didn't read my post from Joe Bradley!!!
I care not for what HE says, but what YOU have said. If not for others, would YOU even have an opinion?

If ' Joe Bradley ' never existed, would your dribble have never existed as well?

Go **** with your Nikon as your useless as an Auto Enthusiast. You contribute NOTHING, and thats the plain, in-sight, truth. Sad, isn't it?

What I think a great thing is.. People just ' forget ' about most of what you have ever posted as its mostly useless. Maurice owned you on E-fans, Rich has put down MANY of your theories, Mark has taken you to task on your rubbish too many times.. and now your trying to use *someone elses* words to prove your relevance.

They say Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one..

You must suffer from the WORST case of constipation as you apparently don't have your own opinion. -D. ( I know someone is going to rob that one for their sig.. LOL! )

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nah D he has never posted any pics or useful information for that matter.

he does however take pretty pictures of flowers and stuff.
I'm seriously starting to wonder if he even owns a truck.
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WoW! I think he MIGHT actually own a truck! He has the most useful info about it! Stuff we have NEVER seen before!

Drum brakes?
http://bob-ayers.smugmug.com/gallery...25299987_JtPSV

WOW! Ive been looking for this forever! How to change the lights for my speedo!
http://bob-ayers.smugmug.com/gallery...01783314_ATreX

WoW! He knows where a few items are under the hood!
http://bob-ayers.smugmug.com/gallery...24318500_MvckW

We better apologize Mark! He knows more then a Ford Service Tech and someone whom has re-built their truck from the ground up to run 9's!
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I care not for what HE says, but what YOU have said. If not for others, would YOU even have an opinion?

If ' Joe Bradley ' never existed, would your dribble have never existed as well?

Go **** with your Nikon as your useless as an Auto Enthusiast. You contribute NOTHING, and thats the plain, in-sight, truth. Sad, isn't it?

What I think a great thing is.. People just ' forget ' about most of what you have ever posted as its mostly useless. Maurice owned you on E-fans, Rich has put down MANY of your theories, Mark has taken you to task on your rubbish too many times.. and now your trying to use *someone elses* words to prove your relevance.

They say Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one..

You must suffer from the WORST case of constipation as you apparently don't have your own opinion. ( I know someone is going to rob that one for their sig.. LOL! )



What's wrong D, can't you find anything to back your claims up???
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What's wrong D, can't you find anything to back your claims up???
Didn't I mention something regarding being ' backed up ' and someone probably snagging it for their sig earlier ? ROFL!

You prove your relevance once more, thanks for the laughs.
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Didn't I mention something regarding being ' backed up ' and someone probably snagging it for their sig earlier ? ROFL!

You prove your relevance once more, thanks for the laughs.

Still nothing D..................
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What does Bob ( fitting name ) offer?

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Still nothing D..................
Yep, your quite correct. Hows the ' Opinion ' doing?

Guess what.. Just to PYO, I might offer to help this kid attain those pullies and Xcal. Wouldn't that be neat!

Maybe I'll start a fund raiser thread for it right here on RF. Would you even be considerate enough to contribute or would you whine and cry about it?

I bet if NIkon made a set of pullies and a ' tuner ' for these trucks you would dance a jig and scream in pleasure for everyone to run out and buy them! LOL!
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I still can't find these underdrive pulleys. Any body know where to get them?
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