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T5 Swap

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Bell housing from an 88 2.8L v6 mustang ( 5 bolts fit perfect, the 6th required some filling/drilling/tapping ). Flywheel had to be machined from 6 to 8 bolt pattern. Driveshaft had to be worked and balanced as well.

You can now buy a 2005+ v6 mustang stick from a boneyard. Its a T5 with all the workings already there. Flywheel, bellhousing, starter.. You will still have to get your drive-shaft adjusted for it, but its a direct swap now.

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Then you'd have to deal with the extension housing for a 4x4 like Maurice's. I know that some S-10's had the T-5 w/4x4 extension housing but I don't know that it matches the bolt pattern of a Ford transfer case.
I want to discuss the possiblities of this as a swap into a 4x4 truck, for both better transmision then the stock 5speed and to open up Transfer case options.
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i would guess there has to be a company that makes an adaptor for the t-case.....

or you could divorced transfer case....
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Advance Adapters used to make an adapter kit for the T5 to the BW 1350/1354 t-case used in RBV's. Unfortunately, the adapter kit has been discontinued.
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I don't think he's looking at adapters for the T-case. I think this is more what T-cases can be used once the T5 is into the Ranger.

I'm curious to know about the 2005+ Mustang 5-speed T5s. If they really do fit all the 4.0's that are in Rangers, seems like that would be the best bet.
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What are the advantages over the current Ranger transmission? Is the T5 still a hydraulic clutch system? Would the current system need to be modified at all?
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the T-5 doesn't have a hydraulic clutch......
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I don't think he's looking at adapters for the T-case. I think this is more what T-cases can be used once the T5 is into the Ranger.

I'm curious to know about the 2005+ Mustang 5-speed T5s. If they really do fit all the 4.0's that are in Rangers, seems like that would be the best bet.
Yea Im more looking at the T5 for the other Transfercases that will fit, either with adapters or with out. The major question is will the Tailhousing from other T5's fit the mustang version? Cause with out a 4x4 tailhousing it doesnt leave much open for the swap.
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the T-5 doesn't have a hydraulic clutch......
Ok that's what I was thinking the case was.
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I don't think he's looking at adapters for the T-case. I think this is more what T-cases can be used once the T5 is into the Ranger.

I'm curious to know about the 2005+ Mustang 5-speed T5s. If they really do fit all the 4.0's that are in Rangers, seems like that would be the best bet.
Mustang T-5s are 2WD and will not bolt directly to any transfer case. For that you would need an OE 4x4 extension housing or a conversion housing like the one from Advance.

As I mentioned, the Advance kit has been discontinued, so that option is out.

AFAIK, Ford never sold a T-5 in a 4x4 application. That means going to another manufacturer that did such as Chevy's S10 4x4. The question there is whether the bolt pattern of the S-dime housing would match a stock Ranger BW1354 or any other t-case that is small enough to fit inside the DS frame rail.

Some other considerations with the T-5:
  • The shifter stub is in the extension housing, about a foot or so farther back from the factory Ranger shifter position.
  • There is no place for an OSS sensor. Without it, the speedometer would not work on a 2001 or later Ranger.
  • T-5's were made in several versions, some much stronger than others. I wouldn't want one of the wimpy ones.
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Im pretty sure 85/86/87 Jeep ' Renegades ' or CJ7's had Borg T5's in them. I know some had Borg Transfer cases.. Maybe snag that case ( manual ) and tranny and change the bellhousing from a v6 mustang from 2005+..
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Mustang T-5s are 2WD and will not bolt directly to any transfer case. For that you would need an OE 4x4 extension housing or a conversion housing like the one from Advance.

As I mentioned, the Advance kit has been discontinued, so that option is out.

AFAIK, Ford never sold a T-5 in a 4x4 application. That means going to another manufacturer that did such as Chevy's S10 4x4. The question there is whether the bolt pattern of the S-dime housing would match a stock Ranger BW1354 or any other t-case that is small enough to fit inside the DS frame rail.

Some other considerations with the T-5:
  • The shifter stub is in the extension housing, about a foot or so farther back from the factory Ranger shifter position.
  • There is no place for an OSS sensor. Without it, the speedometer would not work on a 2001 or later Ranger.
  • T-5's were made in several versions, some much stronger than others. I wouldn't want one of the wimpy ones.
Im looking at this swap for my trail truck so, the speedo issue isnt a problem, From what Ive seen the S10 T5 tailhousing (2wd) will fit, and fixes the shifter location problem. I need to see if the 4wd does the same, which I imagine it does.

What Im thinking is getting a 2005+ mustang T5 for the 4.0L, and then getting the S10 4x4 tailhousing and I think the pattern for that tailhousing is a np 231 or something, which would allow me to run a jeep tcase, like that of a rubicon or something.
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Didn't I just mention that ? . WoW! Sumthin 4x4 I do knowez :) GIT R DUN!
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the s10's came with NP207 Tcases with the T5. The manual has a 21 spline output and the same pattern as a NP231. This opens up alot of possibilities as the Rubicon Tcase, Some Dodge Tcases and alot others will fit the s10 tailhousing.
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For research sake, if say I was able to get the bellhousing from a 05+ Mustang and use an older T5, what would be the best older T5 to use? I know they made a couple different versions through out the years.

Also is there a Difference between a Tremec T5 and BW T5 or are they the same thing just refered to with two names?

And D how did you do the clutch pedal since you are no longer hydro clutched, did you just nab the clutch assembly from a mustang?
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In the 4.0 Mustang the Tremec T5 has a hydraulic clutch. Dont know if that helps any.
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What are the advantages over the current Ranger transmission? Is the T5 still a hydraulic clutch system? Would the current system need to be modified at all?
Whats the difference between France and The US?

The French Give up, without putting up a fight!

Think of the Slave Cylinnders in the Ranger M5 tranny.. how easily do they give up? Theres at LEAST 3 people ( Myself, Bob and one other ) that had them give up before 20k miles.

I've beaten that Borg and it has yet to fail. At one time, it was in my 84 ranger behind a 351.

Honest advantages? Maybe RedneckStone will comment on this as He drives his truck and had the chance to slam the gears in mine. Maybe Sk0t or someone else whom normally drives a stick will as well. ShadyLuke? ( he hasn't been around much ).

The T5 shifts a lot nicer and the gear ratios can be changed ( aftermarket suppliers ). Shifters anyone? This is outside of rebuild kits being common and a lot cheaper then whats offered for the M5.

Strength? Parts? Ease to fix? Theres really no comparison that could be made outside of the factory one coming in the truck and until it goes, you'll see no advantage as whats there is presently satisfying ones needs.
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For research sake, if say I was able to get the bellhousing from a 05+ Mustang and use an older T5, what would be the best older T5 to use? I know they made a couple different versions through out the years.
From what the local Pony Guys have told me , and from my understandingn, the T5's used before the 6speeds were introduced were the best ' factory ' provided units..

HOWEVER..

The T5's from the FOX chassis (86-93?) have rebuild kits or some parts ( I'm no expert on this, I didn't put my tranny in my present Ranger ) that make them VERY strong.

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Also is there a Difference between a Tremec T5 and BW T5 or are they the same thing just refered to with two names?
Tremec tends to build a stronger Trannny. ' World Class ' T5's are the strongest :)

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And D how did you do the clutch pedal since you are no longer hydro clutched, did you just nab the clutch assembly from a mustang?
There was a ' Quadrant ' device, a cable , a shifter ( modified pro-5.0 ), the pedal and a few other items I had to buy. I was in the hospital at teh time and a local shop did the work when I was having a new cab put on. I know they didn't charge me for the labor and the clutch, pressureplate and throwout berring all were bought new. At the time, The flywheel I had did NOT bolt up to the crank. The SOHC uses an 8bolt pattern and the T5's flywheel I had used 6. They had to fill the holes in the flywheel I had and re-drill the bolt pattern. Its a factory part now though.

I like cable clutches. Most will say their junk.. I've had no complaints from anyone that has tried mine. Hydraulic ones are smoother ( I won't deny such ) but their much weaker overall ( slave cylinder failures anyone? ).

If I were to do it again, I would find a trashed 05 v6 stang, and rape it. Everything is there for the picking. If your a 4x4, you'll have to change the tailshaft or transfercase or whatever needs to be done for a 4x4 ( I know Jack$hit about 4x4 setups, won't even TRY to say I do ).

For a 4x2.. its a bolt in and a shaft cutting.
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Whats the difference between France and The US?

The French Give up, without putting up a fight!

Think of the Slave Cylinnders in the Ranger M5 tranny.. how easily do they give up? Theres at LEAST 3 people ( Myself, Bob and one other ) that had them give up before 20k miles.

I've beaten that Borg and it has yet to fail. At one time, it was in my 84 ranger behind a 351.

Honest advantages? Maybe RedneckStone will comment on this as He drives his truck and had the chance to slam the gears in mine. Maybe Sk0t or someone else whom normally drives a stick will as well. ShadyLuke? ( he hasn't been around much ).

The T5 shifts a lot nicer and the gear ratios can be changed ( aftermarket suppliers ). Shifters anyone? This is outside of rebuild kits being common and a lot cheaper then whats offered for the M5.

Strength? Parts? Ease to fix? Theres really no comparison that could be made outside of the factory one coming in the truck and until it goes, you'll see no advantage as whats there is presently satisfying ones needs.
Thanks D. I figured it was something like that. I just got a new clutch and everything in my Ranger, so when that gives up the ghost again in a couple of years, maybe I'll be ready for a new transmission.
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