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whats the difference between these 2 trannies? *pic*



The one on the right is out of my 99 2wd Ranger. So what is the one on the left out of?? It is *supposed* to be out of a 99 2wd as well, but the tailshaft housings are totally different, and the tailshaft gear is longer in the one on the right.
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one on the left looks to be 4wd since the tcase bolts do it..

there any tags with serial numbers on it?
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I'm sure it has a serial number on it somewhere if I scrape the dirt off of it.Its out at work so I won't know til tomorrow. I bought it off Ebay, and they stated that the donor vehicle was a 99 Ranger with the 3.0, 2wd and 57k miles on it. Damn it. So I obviously can't use it, right? Are you positive its a 4wd tranny?
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pre op, and post op? sorry i couldn't resist...

Evan is right, the one on the left is 4wd, and will bolt up to the transfer case, and the one on the right is 2wd, with a tailshaft that will accept the driveshaft slip yoke...

the 4x4 one i think is the fm-146 and the 4x2 one is fm-132, don't quote me on the model numbers though...

they SHOULD have a removable tailshaft, and be interchangeable... but i don't know for sure...
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Well, I guess I will try and find out. Thanks.
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all you gotta do is change out the tailshaft housing and you are golden......completely interchangable
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But the output shafts are different lengths. When I put the 2wd housing on the 4wd tranny, the output shaft was 2 inches down in the hole, the driveline won't be long enough I don't think.
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hmmm, that's not good... i'm out of ideas...
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Me too, damn this sucks! Oh well.

Parts for sale! lol
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where are they from and why are you changing them?
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The tranny on the right is the one that came out of the truck, it is bad. I bought the tranny on the left as a replacement, which was supposed to be another 2wd tranny, but isn't.
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a tranny shop would be able to take it apart and rebuild the rear into a 2wd setup, probably not worth the extra cost though
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i would take the new one back and get your money back... guess you don't really have a truck to take it back with though eh?
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I guess I'm gonna have to vent a little.

I bought this damn thing for $1500, cause the cheapo car lot let me pay them in $250 a month payments. I've paid them $800 so far, and at this point I may as well just give it back to them and cut my losses.

The tranny starts shifting hard, so I change the fluid in it and find a ton of metal. Try and fix that problem and they send me the wrong tranny...

In the meantime, my turn signals quit working, as well as my speedo. Try everything imaginable to fix the problem, but it turns out some idiot left a hot wire dangling behind the radio and it melted 6 wires together in the harness pretty much all the way to the fuse panel.

I think I've had it =( Maybe its just me, but this truck doesn't seem worth the effort. Its a single cab 2wd with a near dead engine... I can't road trip in the thing, pull a trailer, or allow one rear wheel to touch ice or mud.

I had good intentions, and I did fix alot of the minor issues. But I think I'm burnt out.
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i would take the new one back and get your money back... guess you don't really have a truck to take it back with though eh?
To return the tranny I'd have to pay to have it shipped to Illinois I think it was... I guess I'll just try and sell it locally and hopefully get what I paid out of it.
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did you get it from a company? if so, i would tell they they are going to pay for return shipping, as they sent you the wrong part...

i am thinking selling the truck or taking it back would be good, but i doubt the lot will take it back...
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Hard shifting can be a sign of the slave going out (VERY common), is the one in your 2WD leaking?

That is a 4WD tranny, I just got done doing the third slave in 8yrs of Ranger ownership. I think I could draw one from memory...

Throwing this out there in case it's an easier fix than repalcing the whole tranny. Just how much metal came out? My 01 that had 130k always had some shavings on the drain plug and still ran great.

Oh yeah, twice now before the slave went out I noticed two things...
#1 shifting got smoother when it got cold, but both times it went out was in cold weather soon after the "improvement". Fluid is thicker when cold, so shifting is easier but blows the slave out faster.
#2 I added fluid but none ever leaked. OEM slave has a rubber boot that traps the leaking fluid. I cut open my latest and fluid went all over the place.
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Well, when I got the 2wd tranny out, there was a brand new slave cylinder in it. Just before I bought the truck, the stearlership I got it from put a new clutch in as well as a new master cylinder and slave cylinder. Bandaid fixes for what the real problem was, I think.

There was alot of fairly big chunks of metal on the bolt... big enough to feel really gritty and almost cut your fingers if you rubbed the stuff from the plug between 2 fingers.

If I tow the truck to the lot and just tell them I'm doing a repo for them, because I'm not paying anymore, I don't think they are going to turn it away. Its one of those lots that finances anyone and doesn't check your credit. That should have been my FIRST clue not to go there....

No one in their right mind will buy that truck in this condition now. I'm gonna end up eating it BIG time.
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Did they bleed the slave when installed? Improperly bleed clutches can have the same effect.
How many miles on the tranny? I beat the crap out of my first 01, and like I said, it ran strong until my wife rolled it in 09. I actually still have it as a backup for our 04 LII. I was surprised how many shavings came out with the first fluid change, but don't think any were big enough to cut me...
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on the upside, it's only 1500... strip it, and rebuild it to be a sweet truck...

if you take it back, and get them to repo it, it will **** your credit!

the other thing you could do, is go talk to them, tell them what the issues are and that you would have no problem with keeping the truck, but you want some money back... there are also laws in some areas, that all vehicle says are backed by a 60 day waranty or such, you might want to look into that...
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The tranny has almost 150k on it, and it didn't look like the fluid had ever been changed. They did say that they bled the entire system twice. I checked fluid a few times and the level never changed.

Its one of those places that doesn't mess with your credit... like rentall, lol. Thats a good idea about the warranty thing, but isn't that why they put the 'as-is' sticker on the windows of used cars? I may look into it anyways.

Gosh, I don't think I would want to strip it.. I basically did that with my car, stripped it and rebuilt everything... took alot of time and money, and I don't want another project like that! I just want something reliable that.. for once.. I don't have to work on!
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laws override what the sticker says... they can tell you all they want that there is no waranty... but if the law says there is one... there is one!
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I checked Wyomings laws, and I didn't find anything about there being a lemon law on used cars. In some states, they have 30 days or 1,250 miles for vehicles with mileage less that 140k, which wouldn't help me out anyways.
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damn... do you think they know that? you could go in and convince them there is one... but this is going to be your last plan of attack against them, as if it doesn't work, you are ****ED
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Honesty is the best policy, right? I called them today and just explained the situation. They are willing to either take the truck back and be square, give me a discount on something else on the lot, or try and fix it. I don't know what to do. They do have a nice 07 Ford F350 Lariat with 70k on it, but they want $20k for that.... I dunno.
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