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Gil DID persuade me allllllllllllllllllll the way. hahaha! < sounds soo bad! lol

What is the difference between the 15x8 and the 15x10 BESIDES the width? Just the look? (wow I really sound like a girl....hahahaha)
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Gil DID persuade me allllllllllllllllllll the way. hahaha! < sounds soo bad! lol

What is the difference between the 15x8 and the 15x10 BESIDES the width? Just the look? (wow I really sound like a girl....hahahaha)
well a 15x8 will give you a small "foot" print with the tire meaning that there will be less tread in contact with the ground on a 15x8. the 15x10 will spread the tire out and make it a larger foot print. when i went to the 15x10's i used the same width and brand tire....they now stick out about 1.5" more than the same tire on a 15x8....so you should get better traction and have more meat on the ground at once
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emmmmmm that sounds awesome! oh man. you boys can ALMOST talk me into anything! ahhahahaha

Seriously tho. You got me thinking maybe go with 15x10s. I want mean tires.

The tires I have now are a 33x11x16 on a 16x7. I would have liked wider, but it wouldnt....so I can definitely see going with wider...hmmm
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emmmmmm that sounds awesome! oh man. you boys can ALMOST talk me into anything! ahhahahaha

Seriously tho. You got me thinking maybe go with 15x10s. I want mean tires.
you should seriously consider the BF Goodrich Mudd-Terrains over the Goodyear MTR's....
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Don't you want a "smaller footprint" in mud and snow though??
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I heard (not from only Gil) from a few people that the MTRs are one of the better mudd tires that also do good on the highway.
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Don't you want a "smaller footprint" in mud and snow though??
he does have a point! lol
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Unless you plan on upgrading to 35's+ on the same rim, I'd say go for the 8" wide rims.
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Don't you want a "smaller footprint" in mud and snow though??
the smaller the footprint the less grip........the larger the footprint the more grip....the more grip the more traction....the more traction the better foward or backward movement you can get..... see the direction i am going here!!!!
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Um, you need a "skinnier footprint" to essentially cut through it. Big tires skate.

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the smaller the footprint the less grip........the larger the footprint the more grip....the more grip the more traction....the more traction the better foward or backward movement you can get..... see the direction i am going here!!!!
This all depends on the tire tread itself, not the width of the tread.

Ever seen military mud trucks, like the old duece and a half's? They have 35" that are skinnier than my ranger's tires. They cut through mud like nothing.
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wheres my man gil......?

See I would think that youd be right Maurice but my tires do great in the mudd. Amazing actually....they are 16x7 like I said. Makes me think that 15x8 would probably be better!
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You're gonna need an 8" wide rim to run 12.5" tires anyway.
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You're gonna need an 8" wide rim to run 12.5" tires anyway.

why? just out of curiousity?!
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why? just out of curiousity?!
a minimum of an 8" wide rim to run 12.5 tires....a max width of 11".....any thing less than 8" and the tire wont creat a bead on the wheel and the sidewalls will be tucked in to far
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a minimum of an 8" wide rim to run 12.5 tires....a max width of 11".....any thing less than 8" and the tire wont creat a bead on the wheel and the sidewalls will be tucked in to far
well I never said I was going with anything less than an 8 anyways. Its either 8 or 10. I was just saying my rims now are a 7.
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Do you have a Bama Tuner or E-Fan yet? both are excellent ways to make up for loss of power and MPG after the lift and wider Tires.

If you are sticking with the 33's un crank the T-bars some since you said they were like max'd out.
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I think its a pretty common knowledge that the large majority of 4 wheelers with 12.50 section widths (even more sometimes) run 8 inch wide rims. One of the reasons is because there is less a chance of losing a bead. I ran 8 inch wide rims with 33x12.50 MT/Rs for about two years. as far as the traction, just run the PSI down a little bit. Whenever you are wheeling you should adjust you PSI accordingly to the terrain and that pops the 15x10 "footprint" arguement right out of contention even if it did make some magical differnence, which im sure it would have been MINIMAL at best.

you dont NEED a 8 inch wide rim to run 12.50s. you dont need a 10 inch wide rim. those are manufacturers recommended rim sizes basically because once you get out of that spectrum, you might start noticing bad wear patterns. Im running 305/70r15s on my stock rims right now. Theyre pinched like a ****, but i got the tires for free so i dont care about the wear pattern. If I showed you how badly they are wearing, you would know why to step up to a more appropriate sized rim width.

and as for GY vs BFG debates, Ive pulled this card out before, but here it is again...

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techart...ted/index.html
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I think its a pretty common knowledge that the large majority of 4 wheelers with 12.50 section widths (even more sometimes) run 8 inch wide rims. One of the reasons is because there is less a chance of losing a bead. I ran 8 inch wide rims with 33x12.50 MT/Rs for about two years. as far as the traction, just run the PSI down a little bit. Whenever you are wheeling you should adjust you PSI accordingly to the terrain and that pops the 15x10 "footprint" arguement right out of contention even if it did make some magical differnence, which im sure it would have been MINIMAL at best.

you dont NEED a 8 inch wide rim to run 12.50s. you dont need a 10 inch wide rim. those are manufacturers recommended rim sizes basically because once you get out of that spectrum, you might start noticing bad wear patterns. Im running 305/70r15s on my stock rims right now. Theyre pinched like a ****, but i got the tires for free so i dont care about the wear pattern. If I showed you how badly they are wearing, you would know why to step up to a more appropriate sized rim width.

and as for GY vs BFG debates, Ive pulled this card out before, but here it is again...

http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/techart...ted/index.html
good info on that site........i am kinda partial to a dd that also muds to run the BFG because of tread wear
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good info on that site........i am kinda partial to a dd that also muds to run the BFG because of tread wear
I got superb wear out of my MT/Rs. but i also worked at a tire shop. i rotated them every 1000 miles.

although i will say over half of the employees with 4x4s at my shops (ive worked at 3) have had wonderful wear on their MT/Rs. Mine were the worst. they cupped, only cause of my front locker...
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I got superb wear out of my MT/Rs. but i also worked at a tire shop. i rotated them every 1000 miles.

although i will say over half of the employees with 4x4s at my shops (ive worked at 3) have had wonderful wear on their MT/Rs. Mine were the worst. they cupped, only cause of my front locker...
i have had 3 friends that got them on their jeeps at the same time....they wore like shat.....they rotated them ever 3,000 miles, and had an allignment done ever 9,000 miles......i did all the maintence on their jeeps, for a price of course,....1 got about 20,000 miles out of his set, and the other 2 got about 25,000 miles......i have never personally had a set, and i wouldn't buy a set...if i were to use it as a dd then i would get bfg's and if it was straight mud truck BOGGERS!!!!

not doubting you on your tire wear, jus saying what i have seen just like you did
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i have had 3 friends that got them on their jeeps at the same time....they wore like shat.....they rotated them ever 3,000 miles, and had an allignment done ever 9,000 miles......i did all the maintence on their jeeps, for a price of course,....1 got about 20,000 miles out of his set, and the other 2 got about 25,000 miles......i have never personally had a set, and i wouldn't buy a set...if i were to use it as a dd then i would get bfg's and if it was straight mud truck BOGGERS!!!!

not doubting you on your tire wear, jus saying what i have seen just like you did
and you know, everybody has bad stories about certain tires. there isnt a tire i haven't heard bad about. you give me a decent know tires, and ill tell you the bad ive heard on it, lol...

ive personally had a few sets, my dads has a couple sets, a lot of freinds have sets, and the only complaint ive heard from a friend about wearing too quick was on a deisel. but on the large majority, deisels dont get good mileage out of any tires...
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but on the large majority, deisels dont get good mileage out of any tires...
thats the truth
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Do you have a Bama Tuner or E-Fan yet? both are excellent ways to make up for loss of power and MPG after the lift and wider Tires.
I have neither.....guess that will go on the list too. hahahaha man its getting longer and longer.
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