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Body Lift Hatred

What is the deal with body lift hatred in the desert community? Is there a reason why the desert community doesn't support the body lift?

The only reason I could think of would be that it is a chunk of plastic, so why not use a chunk of steel or billet aluminum?
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I used to hate body lifts alot...started installing them on rangers...changed my mind. but still to this day i would never recommend body lifting a desert truck. REAL...enphisis on REAL trucks that go in the sand, they go air boren[sp?]. the shock that goes threw the truck when landing is HUGE. and lifting the body farther away from the frame isnt a smart idear, it can cause the body to shift in the inpacked back to the ground causing serous damage to the truck and or person driving it.... for street/mudding/mild "hard core" offroading i would recommend a body lift. people that like sand or rock climbing i would stay clear and just go with suspension
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^well said.
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because in the desert community they are doing alot of jumps and a bodylift is not ideal if your are going to be running at high speeds offroad. you loss some of the frames ridgity(sp) with a bodylift.

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^well said.
why thank you...

and to me its not a hatered of sand+bodylift...its a safety issue...
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So just the main reason is becuase the body is off the frame and it could possibly damage the body? What if someone were to use air bags, like big rigs?
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i been thinkin about adding a BL
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So just the main reason is becuase the body is off the frame and it could possibly damage the body? What if someone were to use air bags, like big rigs?
oh not could it will and its not just the body and ie or frame. it will not might shift on impact back to the ground granted it might not happen right off but it will.
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i been thinkin about adding a BL
tom i highly doupt you jump your truck so go have fun and run 35's
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I was thinking of doing a BL after I lift, but I was wondering why "they" don't like them. I suppose that's the reason. I don't plan on building this truck as a prerunner.

Actually I plan on going show after I get a Superduty, which will be long after I pay the ranger off.

So doing a BL would be fine with the ranger as long as I don't do any jumps and highspeed stuff... which there are a few spots around here to do that.
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I hate the bls that dont have the gap guards, the huge open space is ****ing nasty,, it looks cheap if you dont finish it,,
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the reason the desert community doesnt like body lifts is cuz there not from michigan.
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There have been a few pictures of body lifted trucks that were jumped. Basically let's say if a normal truck from the side was like this line ------ then the jumped and body lifted truck looked like this: /\/\^^^/\/\/ just completely trashed. By seperating the body from the frame you raise the center of gravity and also allow forces that act on the truck from the front or back (think slamming on the brakes but harder) to cause greater stress at the body mounts because the majority of the mass is farther from the frame. It's a safety issue. And in the desert, you don't need huge ground clearance, you need room for tires to travel. You want as low a CG as you can get to be more stable around corners at higher speeds.
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I think another reason I know some people just think BL's are not real lifts and are the easy/cheap way out.
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There have been a few pictures of body lifted trucks that were jumped. Basically let's say if a normal truck from the side was like this line ------ then the jumped and body lifted truck looked like this: /\/\^^^/\/\/ just completely trashed. By seperating the body from the frame you raise the center of gravity and also allow forces that act on the truck from the front or back (think slamming on the brakes but harder) to cause greater stress at the body mounts because the majority of the mass is farther from the frame. It's a safety issue. And in the desert, you don't need huge ground clearance, you need room for tires to travel. You want as low a CG as you can get to be more stable around corners at higher speeds.

Show me a picture. I'm not for body lifting in desert trucks. But so far I've NEVER seen a ranger with bodylift that shifted teh frame.

The whole frame shifting thing, it's bad if it happens. That's not just a "oh well, remove bodylift and put in stock bolts". that's a "holy **** we jus destroyed 12 bodylift pucks and bent 12 bolts.

I'd love to see your evidence you texan hoser!

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Show me a picture. I'm not for body lifting in desert trucks. But so far I've NEVER seen a ranger with bodylift that shifted teh frame.

The whole frame shifting thing, it's bad if it happens. That's not just a "oh well, remove bodylift and put in stock bolts". that's a "holy **** we jus destroyed 12 bodylift pucks and bent 12 bolts.

I'd love to see your evidence you texan hoser!

Aaron
Ask our buddy Gil about it. He shifted his entire cab forward about 2" on one side once. I can't find the picture, it was in my first days on the OLD Gen-Edge. But honestly, why would I make up some **** like that? Don't be a toolbag
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with bl's your cab and bed can shift with a good amount of force like jumping your truck.. or brake the cheesy lift blocks, and then a whole lot of stuff goes wrong from there....your cab comes down to the frame... your fan bust up the shroud or the shroud busts up the fan blades... there is a whole bunch or reasons why not to put a bl on a truck that will be catching some hang time....
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usually common sence would tell you, if i have a body lift why would i want to treat it like a rental car? honestly.
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Ask our buddy Gil about it. He shifted his entire cab forward about 2" on one side once. I can't find the picture, it was in my first days on the OLD Gen-Edge. But honestly, why would I make up some **** like that? Don't be a toolbag

Did you really call me a toolbag? You suck at insults Kyle!

By the way, I still see no pics haha. I was jus wonderin though. Lotsa talk, very lil proof.
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I think another reason I know some people just think BL's are not real lifts and are the easy/cheap way out.
Me...

I confess, I'm a body lift hater. I beat the snot out of my truck and would rather be safe than sorry. I drove right off a 6ft high ledge doing about 20mph once(didn't see it coming). Poor truck hit the ground hard. Hasn't been the same since. I'd hate to see a body lift after that kind of impact. Maybe if they followed the frame rails instead of being lil pucks spaced a few feet apart holding the wieght of the cab/bed.

I'm gonna do it right and suspension lift.
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Did you really call me a toolbag? You suck at insults Kyle!

By the way, I still see no pics haha. I was jus wonderin though. Lotsa talk, very lil proof.
and what are you contributing to this thread?
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and what are you contributing to this thread?
Bite me Douchebag. Like you're contributing **** yourself.
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the reason the desert community doesnt like body lifts is cuz there not from michigan.
You probably believe anything you hear, but i've never seen a picture of a shifted body lift.

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Aaron chill man I'm just messing with you. I've seen the picture, and if you wanna see it that bad you can try and find it... I couldn't manage to. I'd love to find it and put your foot in your mouth, but google isn't on my side this time. It's neither here nor there, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it.
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Aaron chill man I'm just messing with you. I've seen the picture, and if you wanna see it that bad you can try and find it... I couldn't manage to. I'd love to find it and put your foot in your mouth, but google isn't on my side this time. It's neither here nor there, but it makes perfect sense if you think about it.

But isn't he still running a body lift? I mean, If, lets say, I installed the Overhead Console on my truck and it blew a fuse instantly, I'd take it off. So you're telling me his truck shifted two inches and and he just pushed it back and tightened it back up? I bet he didnt install his body lift right it sounds like. Cause if my truck moved the body even a half inch with body lift pucks, i'd take it off so quickly.

And no it doesnt make sense. With bolts tightening the blocks perpindicularly between two flat surfaces, i dont see how it shifts.

And no, I wouldnt put a body lift on a 2wd prerunner. But I wouldnt own a 2wd anyways.

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I don't know the details, I just know what he told me. I know what I've seen and heard. Believe me or don't, it's not my problem. I can't imagine why you'd think I'd be making something like that up, it wouldn't benefit me in any way, so whatever. It's enough to keep me from doing a body lift and for me to advise against a body lift for anyone who does any type of fast driving off-road (be it jumping, pre-running, mudding, whatever). Plenty of people have run body lifts just fine, and more power to them. That's just not a risk I am willing to take.
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