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ok, so these bulbs here arent any good at all? HERE
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Their wattage is too high. They'll be bright enough, even through the blue coating -- but at the expense of heat and possible damage to your headlight connector and wiring harness. Sadly, Rangers have wires BARELY ADEQUATE for the existing approx. 50 watt bulbs.

I don't recommend them unless you are going to upgrade your wiring. You'll have some people say "hey I used those type and they were fine" and I can find just as many whose connectors or wiring were toasted -- and some of the people who think they are fine will find out differently the next time they go to change them.
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yeah, of course i'd upgrade the wiring harness, but do u think that would be enough to cover any damage?

and lets say the worst happens...and the wires fry...how do u fix it?
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just get silverstars... they pop right in... and work better... and you can get em at any local auto parts store...
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christian = undercover Sylvania salesman...

haha, i just mite have to take u up on u're idea...
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I'm addicted to those things. I even have them in the fridge!
Sweet. Most of my grandad's retirement is wrapped up in GE stock.. So put'em everywhere you can think of! Oh, and enjoy them while munching on popcorn popped on your GE Profile range watching NBC on your TV using electricity from the GE turbine powered plant and metered through a GE power meter..
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I thought that might be so. They are "self firing" aren't they, Dave? They don't require the trigger wire like photoflash ones, I think -- not sure. It takes a higher voltage for the HID headlight design.

Normal photoflash style xenon tubes only require a few hundred volts and generally less than a thousand. In those designs, the multi-kilovolt pulse is only required on the third wire to "trigger" the discharge, and the "power" actually comes from a much lower voltage and is applied to the electrodes in the tube.
I haven't really looked into how they work much. They use a ballast system similar to a flourecent bulb. That's the expensive part I'm guessing. I was going to put metal halide lights on my reef set up that I used to have and the ballast alone was close to $500. Whether it's sodium vapor, mercury vapor, metal halide, flourecent or xenon it's all variations on a theme, with the variables being bulb color temperature and the voltage and frequency required to run it. It is interesting that most people don't know that all those lighting types are actually just flashing many times a second, so fast they can't tell they are turning on and off.

I do know for a fact that the metal halide lamp I have for my workshop only has two wires going to the bulb. Metal halides have to cool off before they can be relit, xenons don't. As long as the ballast is smart enough to know what the bulb temperature is it can send the right voltage to get things going again.
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Sweet. Most of my grandad's retirement is wrapped up in GE stock.. So put'em everywhere you can think of! Oh, and enjoy them while munching on popcorn popped on your GE Profile range watching NBC on your TV using electricity from the GE turbine powered plant and metered through a GE power meter..
I only have one GE appliance and that is one too many. Biggest piece of crap in my appliance collection. I've already had to replace the evaporator fan motor due to a bad bearing, ~$50, and the solenoid for the water deispenser is on the fritz. There is one for water and one for the icemaker and you have to buy them both for ~$60. It's 2 years old.

I've got those bulbs everywhere, even in the outside lights. The only bulb that isn't a reveal is the one in my lava lamp and the one in the freezer, but I'll get to them eventually. When I go to someone's house that has regular bulbs every looks so yellow, and then when I get home everything looks blue until my eyes adjust. It really makes winter more pleasant with those bulbs.
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yeah, of course i'd upgrade the wiring harness, but do u think that would be enough to cover any damage?

and lets say the worst happens...and the wires fry...how do u fix it?
You splice in another (better) harness segment. The problem is that the wires are thin all the way back to the headlight switch and high/low beam switch.

The BEST solution is to add relays and new headlight connectors from a different vehicle, like an older Taurus which for some reason had heavier wires.

In the relay solution, the relay would turn on the headlights directly from the battery, and the existing headlight wires would just turn on the relays. You need two relays at least 30 amps each, one for high and one for low beams.

You would fuse the feed to the relays from the battery to protect yourself from fire, and downsize the stock headlight fuses to 5 amps or so since they are now only control circuits.
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With all them lights you can get a tan...
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Nice lights; do any of you know what makes the actual blue tint? Silverstars look the same as cool blue. none of them have a good blue color.(i dont wanna upgrade to H.i.D) b/c of $$$ issues. If u know of any that are really good send an e-mail to [email protected] ,Thanks
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If you want the blue color AND enough light, you're going to have to either upgrade to higher wattage bulbs, or get HID's. I take it you read my explanation on the previous page?
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I still can't figure out WHY on earth people WANT to emit blue tinted light from their headlights.
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'Cause it's cool! Didn't you get the memo?
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The real xenon HID ones exhibit "bi-refringence" where there is a blue tint to the edge of the light pattern. It's become fashionable and blue is a "hot" color in lighting these days for both inside and out, pretty much.

Certainly, if you can have "full spectrum" lighting at the same power, it's preferable -- but the whole blue thing is fashion or looks, like a lot of automotive stuff.
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I upgraded my wires and i get flashed all the time and all i have is silverstars and thats it. so really it just all depends on how bright and how much u want to spend. APC puts out a nice wireing up grade for the fogs but i havent found one as nice for the head lights.. I must be stupid but i dont know if APC puts one out for the headlights but if they do i am goin to scrap the one i made and get one cause they come with a thicker wire and relays, and hook to the battery through a fuse able link.

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so u put in 9007 silverstars and added an aftermarket harness...do u think that would make them brighter? if not...at least by a little bit?
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Buy 1 pair from me, if you do not like them and give me reason to believe it I will refund your money including the shipping charge. I feel as if I have to defend myself and keep hearing about the Silverstars well I paid 50 for a set of silverstars they lasted me 64 days. The set I have in my truck now are "my cheap ones" http://www.image1000plus.com/store/v...php?product=05 they have been in the truck almost 7 monthes and are still as bright as the silverstars. If you want bright then go with the artic whites. they cut through fog and rain, thats what I am running right now in my truck. Im sorry but sylvania isn't the **** everyone thinks. I am a delivery driver and see better with my lights than with silverstars, yes I am a bit biased but I am NOT TRYING TO STEER ANYONE THE WRONG DIRECTION. Like I said order them and give me a good reason why you don't like them and I will refund you your money or replace them with equilivant priced ones in a different color. This is for Ranger forum MEMBERS ONLY
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And I'm not criticizing your product either! Also, I'm not recommending SilverStars and I won't buy them because of the durability issue with the hard driving I do in my truck. If someone insists on a whiter light at the same wattage, they are an option but you have to take the bad with the good.

My warning on high wattage is based on EXPERIENCE and working with people whohad problems. Although not all trucks will have problems, enough do to make it a crap shoot with a good chance of losing.

I commend you on standing up for, and behind your product and guaranteeing satisfaction -- you sound like an honest vendor and you use your own products. I like that. However, if someone does have a wiring problem due to a higher wattage bulb, what would you do for them?

Edit: You know, I just looked around your site and there's NO WAY I would buy a bulb from you. I can't find ANY information about wattages or anything. It's all marketing: "These headlights retail for $40 to $50 a pair at larger stores. We sell them for half that with shipping included."

Without that information, how can ANYBODY know what they are buying? You expect people to buy a key electrical component on price alone. Even your "more info" button only expands the marketing description and reformats THE SAME INFORMATION.

You may be honest, but that raises a big red flag to me. I do not recommend anyone buying headllights without knowing what the wattages are, so I recommend people stay away from your products.

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besides upgrading the wiring I would worry that the higher wattage will produce too much heat and melt or warp the reflector
the higher temperature might also fuse or melt the connector and socket
you might not know that until it is time to change the bulb and the damage will already be done
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That is exactly what HAS been happening, Neil. The damage is done over time. Just ask Doc -- he was one guy who got bit by it.
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For what it's worth, I have had the XtraVision bulbs (Silverstars without the blue) in my headlights for TWO YEARS now. If you don't like them, fine. I haven't had a problem and there's a whole lot of people around that agree. At least with the Silverstars and Xtravision bulbs, there is actual information on them, not just "This is cool, buy it!"

John, I agree with you 100% on buying from that website. There is no actual information, just marketing lines. That is one thing I absolutely can not stand... as most of you probably know from my many previous rantings on lightbulbs.
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They are all standard wattage. I thank you for the feedback. I will stand behind my product till I get bitten. I will continue to promote it. I will update the page. But instead of slamming me "John, I agree with you 100% on buying from that website. There is no actual information, just marketing lines. That is one thing I absolutely can not stand... as most of you probably know from my many previous rantings on lightbulbs."
Why not help me?
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But instead of slamming me ...
Why not help me?
How should he/we help you? And for that matter, why should we? Isn't it your responsibility as a retailer to have the specs for the items you sell on hand? Can't imagine my company entering a bid for a theater w/ just marketing material bragging about great our systems are, w/o any specs!
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What can I do for you? I don't have info on your product, and there's nothing I have that can enhance your site, unfortunately.

Please note that I have offered my ALWAYS strong opinion, while trying not in impune you personally. But for good or for ill, I'm a "go to guy" on this board for things electrical, not the only one, but a credible one. If I allow something I find questionable to go unchallenged (assuming I've even seen it), I'm doing a disservice to everyone, in my opinion.

I accept that you are not TRYING to deceive. But as an older, more experienced person, I am always suspicious of sales pitches which contain only marketing information and no substance about the actual product. If there is any way you can remedy this, I will certainly post accordingly.

I am sorry I have to be negative, but I genuinely feel a responsibility in this regard, no matter how pompous that may appear.
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