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My buddy used them to pull someone out one time, and he royally f*cked his truck up and the guy didn't even offer to pay for the damages once he pulled him out.

Needless to say, that's the last time he ever used chains.
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yes the "warning" is your load rating and working load rating... you should have figured that out..


you really need to take some time and read this

https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...ad.php?t=54546

if that doesnt explain it for you start googling the differences... once again its all cool till someone gets hurt.. you wont get people agreeing with you on the site about this issue...


OMGZZZZZ I READS IT ON THE INTERWEBZZZZ IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

Im not saying that I would yank a F-350 that stalled out in a mud hole with their frame burried. When I have pulled people out they have always been in their vehicle with their foot on the pedal helping. I dont yank, I know thats bad.

Why some of you people think that I am tearing the **** out of that strap is beyond me. I would never use a chain, EVER.

Theres a place and time for every tool, knowing what is the appropriate tool for the job is important.

Oh and if you think tow starps are so bad, the ONLY reason I got david (ranger guy15) out of the ditch was becasue I had the hooks and he had no rear recovery points and I had to find a hole in the frame to attach it to.
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OMGZZZZZ I READS IT ON THE INTERWEBZZZZ IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

Im not saying that I would yank a F-350 that stalled out in a mud hole with their frame burried. When I have pulled people out they have always been in their vehicle with their foot on the pedal helping. I dont yank, I know thats bad.

Why some of you people think that I am tearing the **** out of that strap is beyond me. I would never use a chain, EVER.

Theres a place and time for every tool, knowing what is the appropriate tool for the job is important.

Oh and if you think tow starps are so bad, the ONLY reason I got david (ranger guy15) out of the ditch was becasue I had the hooks and he had no rear recovery points and I had to find a hole in the frame to attach it to.
there is no need to be sarcastic/rude this is very serous.. and also hooking to a frame hole isnt the best idea either you all got lucky in not distroying the frame seen that done time and time again.. there is tons of way of attaching straps to a vehicle with no recovery points but no need to tell you, you have it all figured out..
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there is no need to be sarcastic/rude this is very serous.. and also hooking to a frame hole isnt the best idea either you all got lucky in not distroying the frame seen that done time and time again.. there is tons of way of attaching straps to a vehicle with no recovery points but no need to tell you, you have it all figured out..
Yeah it is serious but why some people seem to think that you need a recovery strap rated to 30k lbs to pull someone out of a snowy ditch, while they are helping is beyond me.

Yeah the frame idea, I know it wasnt the best, but after digging for 45 minutes it was a bit of a last hope. We took it slow and easy, and once again, no yanking. I really dont like the idea of going around the axle. It just scares me.

Im not trying to be a dick but when someone offers a counter point and you tell them that they are flat out wrong and they are going to die because of it, you are going to get some sarcasm from them.
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Yeah it is serious but why some people seem to think that you need a recovery strap rated to 30k lbs to pull someone out of a snowy ditch, while they are helping is beyond me.

Yeah the frame idea, I know it wasnt the best, but after digging for 45 minutes it was a bit of a last hope. We took it slow and easy, and once again, no yanking. I really dont like the idea of going around the axle. It just scares me.

Im not trying to be a dick but when someone offers a counter point and you tell them that they are flat out wrong and they are going to die because of it, you are going to get some sarcasm from them.
I know people that HAVE died from improper recovery thus why I and Chad takes it completely seriously

you can have your sarcasm if you plan on the dunes you will see how we get people out and the over kill we go to never have someone get hurt..
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When I have pulled people out they have always been in their vehicle with their foot on the pedal helping.
Did you not read what I said before? Here:

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You say it is just to pull, but when you have to give it that extra little tug, it is going to fly off and hit you or someone innocent near by.
about 2 months ago some idiot up at the local mud flats did that exact same thing. He was pulling out a full size truck, he had to give it a little extra tug, the strap went slack, and it popped off. The end of the strap had a hook on it, and it hit the top of the cab right above the window. It pushed that in about 6 inches, then deflected and hit the driver in the back of the head. They had to air ambulace him out. I got an update through one of the local forums here. The guy is now perminatly brain damaged
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He was in his truck.

They must be wrong
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

Hmm its only Therangerstation.com, they have no idea what they are talking about.
http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...aps_Hooks.html

I am sorry to be so harsh, but I have seen first hand what carelessnes can do. If your hook goes through the persons head, you can be hit for neglegnce causing bodily harm. I am not saying do not pull anyone out, just warn me if you are ever in my area, I'll make sure to call ahead for an ambulance.





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Now that I have ruined this thread, Buggman, That looks like an excelent idea for a hitch. I hope it still looks clean with that rollpan. But good idea for coming up with an origonal design.
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Hey whatever man, it's your paint and body, not mine. Go ahead use a chain. I'll be sitting here telling you I told you so when a thread pops up saying "I used a chain to pull someone out and look what happened"
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Thank you Jeff..
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$35 for a recovery strap isnt a high price to save a life.
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bs. you dont want a chain. only 5k??? what??? what is that 5/16 chain?????? The only time i'd use a chain is when lacing around an axle tube or a-arm...and that's only if i can't get a tow strap strap through there and thats only if i can't get a recovery strap in there. bottom line.....chains are for SECURING things and being safety items should a trailer fall off a bll. that's it. you want a recovery strap for recovery EVEN if no yanking is needed. of course i like to do things the right way.



You're diagrams are great. I think that's a great way...modify that crossmember you've got back there to take a hitch...AND it'll protect that roll pan you've got when you've got a hitch in there. that's great. now go out there and do work! something like that at a fab shop shouldn't run that much money at all. Something to note: Is that crossmember 1/4" wall?? Every thing should be 1/4" wall and i'd do the gussets in 5/16" plate at least. I know you've noted on these items.
I wasn't sure about the chain rating (before I found out that a chain ain't the way to go) so I was thinking the truck probably weighs 3000lbs+/- so a 5k chain should have been ok.
Not to worry, I made the journey to the nearest Tractor Supply store today & found they have a 20k lb 2" strap 20' or 25' (no hooks only loops) for about $30.

My X-member/brace/bar/rear end collision protector is 2x2x 1/4" thick, all the braces & angle brackets are 1/4"+ thick.
When it warms up a little more, I'll get some pics of what I have hiding behind my roll pan.

While I was at TSC today, I checked out their stock of hitch accy's & made a few measurements. They have a 2" receiver (12" long x 1/4" thick wall) that should work (if HF screws up my order for the 18" long one). At 2 1/2" square outside, I should be able to cut off enough of the back end to use for the 2"+ drop I need from my current setup.
They also had some big @$$ hooks & shackles (waaaay heavy duty).
It's still too darn cold (and likely more snow on the way) to get dirty, but at least I seem to be heading in the right direction.

New ideas & suggestions are still welcome.
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Yea i just got a 27,000 lb breaking tensile strength ; 9,000 lb work load recovery strap from harbor freight for $39. Those are just loops so when it breaks metal hooks or chains don't come flying back. I also have 2 tow straps with metal hooks but those have safety clips on them. I agree about each one has its place, when I was mudding and I got stuck I had someone pull me out with the recovery strap. When my friends accord slid off the road into a ditch (icy roads) i used the tow strap, since it has the hooks and the load was pretty small. I have another story for those who think that the story about the tow strap breaking and hurting the one guy is a one in a million chance. One of my friends got his f-150 stuck real good, mud up over the hood and he was being pulled out by a similar truck and they were using a tow strap. Well it broke and the metal hook came flying towards the guy that was doing the pulling and collapsed in his tail gate. They were so lucky that no one died, because i can tell you that if it went a little higher it would have gone in the back window and straight out the windshield, and there is a pretty good chance that someone would have been impaled.
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Yea i just got a 27,000 lb breaking tensile strength ; 9,000 lb work load recovery strap from harbor freight for $39. Those are just loops so when it breaks metal hooks or chains don't come flying back. I also have 2 tow straps with metal hooks but those have safety clips on them. I agree about each one has its place, when I was mudding and I got stuck I had someone pull me out with the recovery strap. When my friends accord slid off the road into a ditch (icy roads) i used the tow strap, since it has the hooks and the load was pretty small. I have another story for those who think that the story about the tow strap breaking and hurting the one guy is a one in a million chance. One of my friends got his f-150 stuck real good, mud up over the hood and he was being pulled out by a similar truck and they were using a tow strap. Well it broke and the metal hook came flying towards the guy that was doing the pulling and collapsed in his tail gate. They were so lucky that no one died, because i can tell you that if it went a little higher it would have gone in the back window and straight out the windshield, and there is a pretty good chance that someone would have been impaled.
I have a coupon sitting beside me for that strap on sale for 20 bucks, picking one up tomorrow!
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i have a general question. i took of my back bumper( long story) and i have no point on the truck to attach a recovery strap. what do i do?

on friday, i was leaving school, and i noticed my friend was stuck in the ice in the parking lot. i decided to help him out, so i grabbed a rope, and tied it down to the tow point on the front of his car, and looped the other end through a hole on the frame, where a bolt for the bumper use to be, and tied it there. pulled him out no, problem. was this a bad way to do it? what should i do if i attempt to pull out a different car, with no tow point?
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I ran across this LINK today...
On sale for $14.99
6k lbs working load, no hooks, 2" x 20'
The exact same (specs) strap is $39.99 at the local auto parts place.

Probably not what you would use for heavy or professional recovery, but I think it should be enough to pull my truck out of the snow or mud.
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It'll work man, but be careful. It's harbor freight. Most of my HF stuff has been a one time use haha
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Chain and Strap

I carry and use both a chain and tow strap. If you get a chain, 3/8" 'logger' chain with one grab and one slip hook is the standard item around here. Tractor Supply Co. stores have good deals. I use whatever cheap strap I can find as I tend to damage them eventually. Strap is safest without hooks.
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As well, bring a body bag along for the ride, I am sure you will need it.
hahahaha. thats a bad thing to laugh at. im sorry
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i have a general question. i took of my back bumper( long story) and i have no point on the truck to attach a recovery strap. what do i do?

on friday, i was leaving school, and i noticed my friend was stuck in the ice in the parking lot. i decided to help him out, so i grabbed a rope, and tied it down to the tow point on the front of his car, and looped the other end through a hole on the frame, where a bolt for the bumper use to be, and tied it there. pulled him out no, problem. was this a bad way to do it? what should i do if i attempt to pull out a different car, with no tow point?


that was i that said that. but no one said anything, so im asking agian
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Get a hitch, you wont always have that option, and when you are really tugging on an angle you could screw up your bumper from the rope/strap pulling up on it.
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I have that and it works great.

But as stated above, DO NOT use a chain. Even stay away from straps with metal hooks on the end, buy a strap that is looped at the end.
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Yeah he knows this lol, I already drilled it into his head on a previous thread.
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haha i kno, im juss sayin lol
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Yeah he knows this lol, I already drilled it into his head on a previous thread.
hahaha, thanks for that too, bro.
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^ hey you know ive been wondering, why do you have your email as your name?? it just pisses me off everytime i see it haha
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ahahahahhahahahah.... yeah..... well, its my spam email. i just got confused when i was making it. i ususaly use monkeysteler12 as my username, on everything. and [email protected] is my email. so it was just a mistake.

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