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Icon10 Snap-On Muscle Mig

Well I'm looking at getting a mig welder, and I think I can
get a really good deal on this, I've spent alot of money with
snappy, and me and our local dealer are pretty damn good
friends. So I've been eyeballing this for awhile, he had it on the
truck for a couple of weeks and then took it off. So I know he's
had it for awhile. I know these things aren't THAT easy to move,
hence why I think I could get a good deal on it. What do you guys
think? I've got some credit coming back to me that's why I'm looking
at this one...instead of having to pay all of it with cash, I could use
my tool gift cards...I know there is better ones, and probabley cheaper
ones. But what's your guys opinion of THIS one?Thanks for your opinions!



140 amp output @ 100% duty cycle, 120VAC, 50 Hz/60 Hz. Use for continuous, spot, or stitch welding using .023" through .035" wire. Welds up to 1/4" in a single pass. For use in auto body collision repair, automotive repair shops, maintenance and manufacturing applications and custom fabrication shops where voltage input is limited to 120V. Highest duty cycle 120V MIG welder available. Includes cylinder rack, MIG torch with 10' cable, 15' feeder cable and 20' power input cable. Offers spot and stitch weld capabilities. Two-year warranty (except MIG torch).
Additional Description:
Snap-on Muscle MIG welders weld continuous, spot or stitch all ferrous (steel, stainless steel) metals. Detachable feeder provides increased maneuverability and extended reach. Thin ferrous metals as well as copper can be welded with the optional TIG accessory kit. Each model is spool gun ready for welding aluminum with optional accessory. Each welder includes a flowmeter-regulator and parts kit. See SS2943 brochure for additonal information.
Additional Features:
Compare our welders. Common welders have 30% Duty Cycles, which means you can only weld three minutes out of ten at full load amperage setting. Snap-on welders feature 100% Duty Cycle – weld ten minutes out of ten at full load amperage setting. There Is A Difference™.



Product Specifications
Stock # MM140SL
Name Welder, "Muscle Mig" Wire Feed
Price** $2,995.00
Brand Snap-on
Country Of Origin USA
Input Voltage 120V
Input Current 20/30A
Output Current 30-140A
Duty Cycle 100% @ 140 Amps
Optional Aluminum Spool Gun MHG5B
Optional TIG Kit FLEXTIG12, 25
Maximum Thickness, inches 1/4"
Wire Size Range .023"-.035"
Shipping Weight, lbs. 198
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Looks like a bad *** welder to me.. I say jump on it and weld me up some cool **** :) But for that price couldnt you just go with gas? You have a lot more options with gas welders.
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uhhhh it is gas bonehead!

"Each welder includes a flowmeter-regulator and parts kit. See SS2943 brochure for additonal information"
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I bet its a nice welder, but its expensive. For me it would depend on the kind of deal I could get on it. I mean, it better end up being cheaper than a new Millermatic 211, which you can get for less than $1000. Why spend $1000-$3000 on a 140 amp welder when you can get a nice Miller 210 amp welder.......
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i wont own anything but Miller..
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the snap on welder has 100% duty cycle none of the Miller's or Hobart's in have 100% duty cycle
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3k for a 140 amp 110 welder?...Typical $nap On prices.....for that go with a 210+ Miller, Lincoln, or Hobart.

As for the 100% duty cycle, that's great, but who has REALLY maxed out the ones I listed?

If you can get it for a good price (I'm sure you will not pay 3k), I'm positive it's a good welder, but just too much $$ for what you get.
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the snap on welder has 100% duty cycle none of the Miller's or Hobart's in have 100% duty cycle
let me know when someone actually overloads a Miller or Hobart, I have yet to see it, and even when you do it has a thermal overload protect on it and you are good to go in just a few short minutes.


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3k for a 140 amp 110 welder?...Typical $nap On prices.....for that go with a 210+ Miller, Lincoln, or Hobart.

As for the 100% duty cycle, that's great, but who has REALLY maxed out the ones I listed?

If you can get it for a good price (I'm sure you will not pay 3k), I'm positive it's a good welder, but just too much $$ for what you get.

I agree.

Personally I would buy a Miller or a Hobart and be done with it. 1/3 to 1/2 the cost and a great welder.

I just welded with a Hobart 210 and entire week non stop went through an entire 125lb bottle with no issues as far as duty cycle.

Also I would never buy a 110 welder. 220/240 is where it is at.
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i wont own anything but Miller..
Miller FTW!!
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Valid points guys.....BUT I have a bunch of gift cards...with alot of money on them. And I'm not going to pay anywhere near 3k for the welder. So again price isn't the issue right now. I have 220 in my garage that's not a problem, but if I need to go somewhere (which has happened in the past) and they don't have 220 I'm hosed. I saw some welds that were done (obviously by someone with alot of experience) on some 4 link bars (DOM) and they looked awesome and that was with the MM120SL.

I have a chance to get a pretty nice welder without cleaning my wallet out. I couldn't afford right now to go out and by a MILLER outright cash. So that's why I was asking ya'll, about this one. It's an option for me. We had one @ the FAA maintenance shop I worked at, but I never got the chance to try it out.

So yes I know some of you are Miller/HOBART diehards, and that's fine but as far as the specs of the welder I'm looking at, would this be a good starting point for a ALL-Around welder?
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So what price would you pay? That needs to be asked, and be sure to include the gift cards. They may not be cash, but they can be used for other things.

You could get tools with your gift card... you would not buy a 2wd drive when you need a 4wd "just b/c it's a good deal".

Like I said, I'm sure it is a good welder, but is it worth the cost for what you get?

Edit: to clarify, would I get it for 500 bucks....maybe. Would I give up 1k owrth of tools for it, no way in hell. That's the way I see it for a 140amp 110 welder. Hell the Miller Passport lists for 1900 new, it runs on both voltages, is portable (you said you could travel with the Snap On) and has the same if not better specs with the exeption of the duty cycle.

I will say that TIG add on sounds pretty sweet, but knowing Snap On you could buy a stand alone TIG machine for the cost of the add on.

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uhhhh it is gas bonehead!

"Each welder includes a flowmeter-regulator and parts kit. See SS2943 brochure for additonal information"
im gonna kick you in the nuts when im finally back in austin... better wear a cup around me :-D
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Another thing to think about is the consumables......Snap on wants 31 bucks for a .30 tip, from the website that looks like ONE TIP!!!!

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

I think I pay about 6 bucks for five Miller/Hobart, and I can get them at any welding shop or even the local TSC.
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I agree, i can think of a million other tools i would rather have from snapon than a welder.
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let me know when someone actually overloads a Miller or Hobart, I have yet to see it





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I actually have at work..it was an older miller..MIG hottest it would go ran this huge bead..like couple feet long and was just going..thing started smoking bad..quit welding insides fried..bought a new one :)

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you bet your ***.....
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Chris you have to actually GET to austin first......empty promises LOL....and as far as kickin me in the nuts....pack a lunch bub....
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Miller. Panasonic also makes a good MIG machine but I don't know specifics about them.
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My 220 Miller overheats in the summer sometimes but I just call that a beer break.
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Chris you have to actually GET to austin first......empty promises LOL....and as far as kickin me in the nuts....pack a lunch bub....
haha :) These guys obviously know what they are talking about considering the fact that most of the guys mentioning the Miller/hobart welder to you have done SAS swaps succesfully so id take them seriously if i were you
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yeah yeah yeah.....we shall see. I haven't made up my mind yet. It's one of those caught inbetween a rock and a hard place. I checked out Miller's and they are sweet....but they are expensive too....hell any welder that is worth a crap is expensive...LOL
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Dude, just get the Miller. You can't go wrong with one of 'em. They are reliable and you can get the consumables at any welding shop. FWIW the 211 is very reasonably priced for what it is, and I'd imagine its worth every penny. You wouldn't regret it I'm sure.

My Miller has a 30% duty cycle and I've yet to hit my limit. You'd have to be running one hell of a bead to need 100% duty cycle.
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ok what about this one?

Miller 212

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The 212 is a super nice welder. The 211 and 212 have similar capabilities, but the 211 is more for home use and the 212 is designed for a more industrial application. If the extra $500 for the 212 is no biggie then I'd definitely get it over the 211.
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I just bought a Millermatic 212 this past summer for $1800 with a tank of gas and spool of wire. It has a 60% duty cycle, but it's never shut off or overheated. So far, I've built 2 car haulers and made a ton of other stuff and couldn't be happier with it.
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ive got a 212 too. best welder i have used!
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