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i smell a possible lawsuit...
that takes time and money. If they stiff me $1000 on this, that could easily be the same $1000 I need to spend on a lawyer just to start dealing with them. Trust me, I dont want to be out any money on this but I may just need to suck it up for a bit. I need them to do the right thing and fix the big stuff which is the bank dealings and my trade in.

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rick, i guess that would explain some of the problems you were having tho. good luck with the whole situation. out of curiosity, did you run a carfax or an oasis report on this truck before you bought it? i feel like that might have exposed some of these issues before buying. well at least the vin issues anyways
The carproof (what we have here) showed the truck was 100% ok. They presented it, no issues.
The only ford documentation that I got and posted above I got today after taking it in for the service to fix the small issues.
The vin was in the clear because the vin is for a gas truck. What should have been caught by everyone, especially the dealer both during them purchasing it and selling it to me was that it was gas vinned and not diesel. Even the e-test passed here which required a visual inspect. Figure that one out. How can you enter a vin into the computer, it returns GAS and you pass it as Diesel. That may be something else I need to look into, ie: make some calls. People dropped the ball on this including me. I was the buyer and it is buyer beware. I would have never thought though that from a dealer this could happen. I mean, this guy stocks a ton of cars and inventory, he doesn't seem like a fly by night guy.


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I told my Old man your story of what has happened.
He thinks that it was pieced together from several different trucks in texas, then converted for Canada to hide the fact that something was wrong with it.
He also said you shoudln't be out a couple k either.
You know, the only way I have been half not stressing is because I have told some people, talked about it and that wore me out. Your dad is likely right, heck, I had some people say the chassis could even be jacked.... i think 4+ people have said that to me.
The truck was brought into Canada in 2007. Been 4 years. How someone didnt notice is beyond me. Im the unlucky idiot to find out; the wife says I am lucky and that I will be one of the luckiest people if I see the truck or my money ever again...... When she calmed she said that her honest vibe was they would make it right. Who knows.... I am not so confident about them doing what is right.
Further to that, your dad is 100% right. I should be out 1 cent. Infact they should be kissing my *** over this but right now I have to play my cards right and ensure that the main items are sorted out before I make any fuss, if I fuss. If they don't make it 100% right then the dealer name will get posted and I will do what I can to make sure no one else gets taken. They need to just make it right. But damn, shame on me really. Worst part is I didnt even score a deal really... that hurts even more!
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I have an update on this for later this evening. Off to get my son.
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trade in i have back
they wanted me to sign a contract / waiver
spent from 10am till 2:30 dealing with this.
he provided me a photocopy of the cheque he paid National Bank with.

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First off, I was up all night dreaming up the worst case and how this was all going to go down. I knew tomorrow (today) wasn't going to go smooth, why would it.

At 10:19 am I got a call from the sales guy Duane. Basically my trade in was not going to be delivered to me because the owner felt there was too much liability in delivering the vehicle to me. So, the promise of making it easier for me was naturally broken. Now, I had to miss more time from work (no laughing Ventrilo people) and had to inconvenience my bro in law the painter to drive me.

10:45 I am on my way, I call them to let them know I will be there once I get through the morning bullshit traffic. Heaven forbid it rains a bit, every ******* drives 30 below the speed limit. What took me 18 minutes to get there monday took me 1.5 hours today. I also had to fill up the srt4, atleast its boosted and quick....in a traffic jam!

After arriving some of the basic paper work gets put out on the table. My trade in ownership back in my name, 3 sets of keys and a car fax for it. Naturally, they said the bank would be paid today as well but that guy (Mike) had not even arrived back yet. I speak to Duane about it and its clear to me that when I had said things like "it could be just a pieced together truck or a totally stolen chassis with a clean cab on it" that it had been bothering him, it came up a bit, we talked about how 'other dealers' are known to scam but they never ever would. They knew nothing about this. I questioned how the truck even passed a visual inspection during etest for a vin of gas but passed as diesel, stuff like that seemed odd.
The guy (Mike) with the bank paperwork shows up and begins the sales pitch of how they are victims here and that they are losing money, not just me. They will have to go through a great ordeal of trouble to make it right between them and the VW dealership the truck came from (i guess it was a trade in there).
The sales pitch is the same sales pitch as before, they are sorry, **** happens and on the bright side its all been discovered now. Atleast I am only out the $1000 instead of coming back 6 months later and having to deal with this.
"great news richard, sign this contract here releasing us of liabilities and you can take your trade in and go"...

Instant alarms went off in my head... i had to tell myself play it cool. I started making more convo about the bank paper work as he put more documents on the table, i scooped up my ownership, 3 sets of keys, copy of the bank payment and the half of ownership from the Xs plates so I could return the plates for money.
Of course, now that my pockets are stuffed full of my paperwork etc I begin to tactically rage at them asking how they figure I should sign anything when this is all their fault. The owner of the place (Alex) pops in and sits 10 feet behind me (3v1). I explained it was their responsibility not mine and there is no way in **** (think i said it just like that) that I would sign anything. "How do i know that bozo owner didn't damage my truck i traded in, he was pissed I brought the excursion back.... and if Alex has anything to add he can pull up a seat beside me instead of hiding back there"... Mike tells me they have contacted their UCDA (i think thats what he said) lawyers and they know they are 100% in the clear, nothing can happen to them. Naturally, being in that mood I told them i didnt give a **** how much money they had or who they called I wasn't signing **** and regardless of what their lawyers think I should do, I ain't doing it.
Mike told me he wasnt trying to pressure me but that it was a good idea for all parties involved to sign the paperwork. Alex ran off into his office and hid (though I suspect he called the desk as it rang and Duane hit a butotn..perhaps he was put on conf).
At this point I already knew it was time to leave. **** them was my internal vibe though not verbally expressed as of yet (and that will come still). We shook hands and the sales guy Mike says he will work with me on any future deals, Ford inspections upfront on a truck and a deal upon deal would be given. Mike said he swears to god he didn't know about the truck, I asked who his god was (I had a strong feeling he wasnt Christian & that his real name likely isnt Mike.) ... was more of a ***** at him to back what he was saying. We shook hands, I left. I was happy to be gone.

1 pm I call my wife. I am out of there. My old truck is below empty, of course.

Flip side, I was out some money and will be out even more on this deal but they did pull 2 dents on my old truck for me. Certainly not worth $700. They also sanded and sprayed the door in 1 spot, a **** job too!.

I called the bank, spoke to the rep that Mike delivered the cheque to, I wanted to make sure really happened. She acted shocked that I would even call and questions me. I told her when you get sold a truck with swapped vins you start to wonder about the people you deal with. "I know nothing about that" she said. loller, you do now.


My current vibe is that the owner really didn't care, at all. It certainly would have been easier for him to see me go away, or perhaps get caught up in some legal bs, he certainly seemed indifferent and didn't care what I thought.
I spoke of 'friends' commenting on the situation and they disregarded them and the comments, glad I didn't say it was forum peeps :giggle:

I am not sure where I will go from here other than to wait and see if that debt is actually paid off. I am not feeling vengeful, I am feeling grateful to be away from this.
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Glad you got it squared away rick! Hope its taken care of for good now!
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Glad you got it squared away rick! Hope its taken care of for good now!
I hope so too. Just a mess.
Wife is happy its gone, she hated it from the beginning.
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Well played rick! BTW you have a SRT4?!?!
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No srt4' bros inlaws ride. It's a stage 3' it's quick as hell but not my style of car.
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Good for you. You didn't end up signing that piece of paper that clears them, right?
I would have been way more harsh to the dealer. but i think you made all the right moves, i would have done the same thing.
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Good for you. You didn't end up signing that piece of paper that clears them, right?
I would have been way more harsh to the dealer. but i think you made all the right moves, i would have done the same thing.
Nope, didnt sign the paper. I new soon as they started pushing it on me it was time to get out of there as quick as possible. That letter sat on the desk until they refunded my initial visa deposit I left even, they wanted it signed.

My biggest concern and still even today is that once I name them publicly they just stop payment on the cheque and say screw it, take us to court or remove the posts on the net. Once that payment clears game on.
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Glad to hear man!

Now you know what you gotta do! Burn the place down!

lol, best of luck finding your next vehicle!
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Nope, didnt sign the paper. I new soon as they started pushing it on me it was time to get out of there as quick as possible. That letter sat on the desk until they refunded my initial visa deposit I left even, they wanted it signed.

My biggest concern and still even today is that once I name them publicly they just stop payment on the cheque and say screw it, take us to court or remove the posts on the net. Once that payment clears game on.
Good call man.
Once the money clears, i'd take like a half page ad in the paper, Just saying how they screwed you over.
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Good call man.
Once the money clears, i'd take like a half page ad in the paper, Just saying how they screwed you over.
Its kinda odd how I feel. I am less angry and just happy to be free of it. I shouldnt feel that way because I think if it happened to someone else I would be saying rage on them in every way possible, heck, sue if possible. But again, I am just happy to be free.

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Sorry to hear about all the trouble Rick. Would have been cool to have a diesel EX.
Man, i was so mad 2 days ago I told the wife that I was done with this BS and the trucks... owned a ton in the last few years. She kinda gave me hell over it all. Not because of what happened but because of what I said last night... LOL I said "so, I was looking on kijiji...." and that's when she blasted me.
To sum it up she asked me if there's something lacking in my life that I need to have such kick *** trucks. LOL

Secretly I have been back at it, looking. She opened up the iPad to see that I was eying in multiple tabs a ranger, another X, f150 and various I wish I had real money dream cars. LOL

I love the excursion. You feel safe in it. You have tons of room. I think I was spoiled when I was younger, i had an 83 GMC Rally STX. I loved that van. LOL. X's remind me of that van cept they are even cooler.... the wife called that van the raper van... she would know
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Wow. I cant believe that I wasnt keeping up with this thread.
I just sat down and read through all of the pages.
Glad to see you got free of this mess Rick. Sucks it had to be like that though.

soooooo......eyeballing another ranger eh?
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Wow. I cant believe that I wasnt keeping up with this thread.
I just sat down and read through all of the pages.
Glad to see you got free of this mess Rick. Sucks it had to be like that though.

soooooo......eyeballing another ranger eh?
Id be lying if I said my brief experience with one went well. Was very short lived. That was pre kid. Now some decisions I make factor in his personal space... not sure the ranger would be large enough and truth be told..... i would cap it, people hate caps. I like the SUV vibe..... besides, ... new ranger, with lift would likely send the woman over the top
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Id be lying if I said my brief experience with one went well. Was very short lived. That was pre kid. Now some decisions I make factor in his personal space... not sure the ranger would be large enough and truth be told..... i would cap it, people hate caps. I like the SUV vibe..... besides, ... new ranger, with lift would likely send the woman over the top
Have you looked into 'sploders? like 06 ish?
I think those trucks are pretty slick.
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Have you looked into 'sploders? like 06 ish?
I think those trucks are pretty slick.
This was my '02


I really liked that truck as well. It was in amazing shape & I have no reason as to why I ended up selling it, was a mistake really. LOL **wishing I kept all my cars**

I dont know, I want them all
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I think the 06 was my favorite spolder of them all. easiest to fix if you ask me.
Anything specific your looking for? or are you just playing the field?
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I know one thing for sure, I would never step foot anywhere near that dealer again. Very poor business practices on their part.
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