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does that count as a compact with a full size?

That's what I was talking about.
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does that count as a compact with a full size?
Thats midsize I think, but that still isn't a 6 foot bed, is it?
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74.60" bed and I think the frontier was still considered compact back then...IIRC
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i'm a sceptic. to me, talk is cheap. until i see a commercial announcing it or one at an upcoming auto show, i'll never believe it. ford... show us the proof!
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i'm a sceptic. to me, talk is cheap. until i see a commercial announcing it or one at an upcoming auto show, i'll never believe it. ford... show us the proof!
I'm the same way. I'll believe it when I see it.


I'm talking about if there is a 4door crewcab ranger.....I would never buy it like they have those nissans, tacos, dakotas, etc......4dr crewcab with a REALLY short bed....like the sport trac. I would only buy a 4dr crewcab ranger if it were to have a "long box"...which in all reality is a 6' bed....what's on our trucks now. No friggin 4.5-5' beds here. FORD: Do to the ranger what you did to the f150 last year.....have a crew cab with optional "long box"!!!!
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Well I've got my payment plan so that in 2010 I'll be selling this back and buying a new one :)
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I wouldn't mind a V8 in a ranger, I am not sure about the whole deisel thing. I have a feeling it won't be that powerful. I would still prefer to have a F250 over a deisel ranger. Only thing I could see with a deisel ranger...better for the enviorment and better mileage....both of the thing I could care less about lol.
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crew cab:
-hasn't toyota been making that in the tacoma since 2001?
-doesn't GM and Nissan BOTH already make a 4-door midsize pickup?

hey ford...way to be nearly a decade late to introduce a seating option that has been selling well

-doesn't Ford already make a crewcab pickup based on the ranger platform: the sporttrac explorer? wouldn't making a 4-door ranger would take sales away from something that works?

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-many manufacturers have offered potent motors in their midsize trucks for awhile. Toyota revamped their pickups and put DOHC engines in all their tacoma's since 1995...so what's so great about Ford putting a DOHC 3.0 or 4.0 now?

hey ford...way to be nearly 15 years late to introduce technology that's been available for years

Furthermore, DOHC engines have been available within their division for years already...my mom's mazda MPV minivan has a 3.0 duratec that whoops the doors off any 2007 ranger engine. My understanding is that it just hasn't been profitable for them to fudge it into the ranger platform. It costs them peanuts to make the 3.0 vulcan V6 and put it in the same frame that has remained vastly unchanged for years. I mean Ford has been making the 3.0 and the 4.0 for years (the 3.0 since the ranger's inception 1986)...while they're not "good" motors, they are CHEAP ones...similar to the cashcow crown vic platform, it's much more profitable for them to keep something that they've been making instead of making something that might be better for the consumer, but new.

And lastly, making the ranger a bigger truck (and a crew cab w' a long bed) ceases to fit it in the midsize class anymore. Not only do they lose the market share of a class they no longer compete in, but they cut into the sales of the bigger half-ton trucks.

Do they really want that? Don't they WANT you to get the half ton truck if you want the bigger bed and a diesel? Won't they make more money selling $40k F-150's than a $22k ranger?

I don't know about a new ranger...it sounds more like speculation than a reality because of one reason: MONEY.
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-doesn't Ford already make a crewcab pickup based on the ranger platform: the sporttrac explorer? wouldn't making a 4-door ranger would take sales away from something that works?
yes Ford does make a 4 door "mid sized" "pickup", but it is soley based on the Explorer chassie.....in '02+ the Explorer has its own chassie other than based off the Ranger.....

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Do they really want that? Don't they WANT you to get the half ton truck if you want the bigger bed and a diesel? Won't they make more money selling $40k F-150's than a $22k ranger?
in all reality, when you compare the cost to manufacture the Ranger vs. the cost to manufacture the F-150, they are making more money on the Rangers....
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And lastly, making the ranger a bigger truck (and a crew cab w' a long bed) ceases to fit it in the midsize class anymore. Not only do they lose the market share of a class they no longer compete in, but they cut into the sales of the bigger half-ton trucks.
The Ranger is the only compact pickup left....everything else in its class is much larger then it is, so increasing its size wouldnt put it out of the midsize class.
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i really hope they don't make it so its lame, by 2010 ill prob be looking for a new truck.


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i love my 7ft bed...
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-many manufacturers have offered potent motors in their midsize trucks for awhile. Toyota revamped their pickups and put DOHC engines in all their tacoma's since 1995...so what's so great about Ford putting a DOHC 3.0 or 4.0 now?

hey ford...way to be nearly 15 years late to introduce technology that's been available for years

Furthermore, DOHC engines have been available within their division for years already...my mom's mazda MPV minivan has a 3.0 duratec that whoops the doors off any 2007 ranger engine. My understanding is that it just hasn't been profitable for them to fudge it into the ranger platform. It costs them peanuts to make the 3.0 vulcan V6 and put it in the same frame that has remained vastly unchanged for years. I mean Ford has been making the 3.0 and the 4.0 for years (the 3.0 since the ranger's inception 1986)...while they're not "good" motors, they are CHEAP ones...similar to the cashcow crown vic platform, it's much more profitable for them to keep something that they've been making instead of making something that might be better for the consumer, but new.
DOHC in a truck isnt always better, it's easier to get the low end grunt out of an OHV motor as opposed to a DOHC design; thus the reason Ford has been keeping them OUT of trucks.. the 3.0L Duratec was a Ford/Mazda joint operation which evolved from the 2.5L DOHC V6 which was found in early-mid 90's Probes and mid-late 90's Contours, that motor in your moms minivan was used in the Taurus in the mid 90's on.. so it's not that Ford is THAT late with engine technology--speaking of engine technology, anybody think of the early Taurus SHO with a 200hp+ 3.0L/3.2L DOHC V6? how-about that 3.4L DOHC V8 used in the Gen 3 SHO? I could go on and on.. but you get the point lol
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I'd like something bigger personally. I think my ranger feels small sorta. I want something bigger with more power. I love the S10 Extreme and Taco Xrunner, I want ford to get some sport line that actually looks the part and lives up to the speed.
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I love the S10 Extreme
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i think greygoose was refering to the turbo running so hot and then seeing a splash of cool water...cracked exhaust manifold and/or turbo housing!
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^^^ That was what I meant, but I don't want to argue, I just wanted to put my .02 in thats all... :)
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well ill believe it when i see it... not that im gonna buy another ranger again
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well ill believe it when i see it... not that im gonna buy another ranger again
Why not?? Not happy with yours?

I personally don't need a full size truck, I am not that big of a guy and really my ranger tows my boat pretty good for what it is. If I had a little more roon inside and a little more power under the hood, it would be perfect....
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Why not?? Not happy with yours?

I personally don't need a full size truck, I am not that big of a guy and really my ranger tows my boat pretty good for what it is. If I had a little more roon inside and a little more power under the hood, it would be perfect....
he prolly wants to mod the crap out of the one he has.

idk if i could sell mine or get another, be kinda odd to have 2 rangers
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he prolly wants to mod the crap out of the one he has.

idk if i could sell mine or get another, be kinda odd to have 2 rangers
i have 2 rangers

and 92 and an 03
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Hey Greygoose where do you work? I work for TRW Automotive and I have a friend that works for Ford. He works at the test track in Dearborn. He said the latest he heard was that the new US Ranger was going to be based off of the South American Ranger, but nothing was definite. He also mentioned that they have a bunch of South American Rangers in Dearborn but he wasn't sure if it was for that or if they were just doing testing up here.
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It better be based of the south american(global) Ranger I heard rumours it might be based off the explorer Chassis, which would be retarded.
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Hey Greygoose where do you work? I work for TRW Automotive and I have a friend that works for Ford. He works at the test track in Dearborn. He said the latest he heard was that the new US Ranger was going to be based off of the South American Ranger, but nothing was definite. He also mentioned that they have a bunch of South American Rangers in Dearborn but he wasn't sure if it was for that or if they were just doing testing up here.

from what i understand those rangers have been there for quite sometime.
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yes Ford does make a 4 door "mid sized" "pickup", but it is soley based on the Explorer chassie.....in '02+ the Explorer has its own chassie other than based off the Ranger.....
even if the explorer has its own chassis, won't a crew-cab ranger take sales away from the sport-trac explorer?

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in all reality, when you compare the cost to manufacture the Ranger vs. the cost to manufacture the F-150, they are making more money on the Rangers....
that may be true as it is now, because manufacturing for the ranger has been the same since 1986. But if they revamp the ranger into a new truck, then production costs will be as proportionally expensive as the F-150. So while the profit ratio on the F-150 is similar to the ranger, the profit amounts will just be higher because they're selling it for much more.

seem to make sense?
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The Ranger is the only compact pickup left....everything else in its class is much larger then it is, so increasing its size wouldnt put it out of the midsize class.
sorry, I'm being pretty lax in my use in terminology...I was erroneously using "compact" interchangeably with "midsize"

but, yes, you're right: currently the ranger is the only compact truck left. Compact trucks are smaller than midsize trucks.

But, unless they're completely ignoring what the majority of (but not all) consumers want, and where they need to fit into a niche of competition, the new ranger has to be a midsize truck. They need to make it a little bigger, because that's what sells.

So if they do, in fact, increase the size of the ranger to compete with the new tacoma, colorado, frontier, etc. they're going to make a truck that's bigger, longer, and a crew cab. But doing so might be stealing sales from the F-150. That, in turn, will create lower profits because they (should) make more money selling a $40k truck rather than selling a $22k truck.

So to conclude the last two responses I made: I don't think Ford would bring back a ranger because it's just not profitable for them anymore.
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