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Bank 1 and 2 running rich

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Bank 1 and 2 running rich

My truck is running rich on banks one and two and its idles rough when stopped at lights and such I cannot find the fuel injector pressure regulator under the hood I'm at a loss I have a 98 ranger 4.0 Both two wheel and four wheel
 

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a. Are you using a live data scanner to see the rich trims? Is it always rich, idle and cruise and snap throttle?
b. Sounds a little like a stuck egr which you may be able to test by unplugging it and see if the rough idle goes away
 
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Originally Posted by kenhigg View Post
a. Are you using a live data scanner to see the rich trims? Is it always rich, idle and cruise and snap throttle?
b. Sounds a little like a stuck egr which you may be able to test by unplugging it and see if the rough idle goes away
I pulled the air filter out and saw it was all clogged with oil and carbon I replaced it and it seemed to clear up the issue but I'll try the egr and see if that helps thank you very much
 
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Having enough oil and carbon? In a air filter to cause an issue like that makes me wonder how it got there? Never heard of oil being in an air filter. Does the pcv valve connect upstream of the filter?
 
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I'm not sure how to locate it
 
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Have you thrown the filter out or can you post a picture of it?
 
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Its a k and n
 
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I strongly suggest you check this filter every day for a week or so to make sure the new filter isn’t getting oily. If it does you need to do some deeper digging!

edit: I wonder if this could be related to a stuck open pcv valve...?
 

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I had troubles with actual motor oil on my K&N filter on my 4.0 SOHC. It was coming from the valve cover ventilation tube attached to my air intake hose. I changed my PCV, and it seemed to help.

I cleaned out the intake tube and washed my filter out with the K&N recharging kit (cleaner and filter oil), and I thought it would be fine.

I oiled too much and the excess was traveling to the MAF sensor. Lesson learned.

Go lightly. Very lightly

I've also been reading that the K&N filters aren't good for vehicles with MAF sensors because of the filter oil they use to catch more of the dirt and particulates. Older carb'd engines eat that stuff up no problem, but those MAFs are sensitive.

Out of the box, my K&N was fine with my system. It's when I cleaned it and re-oiled it...
 
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Where is the pvc valve located on the 4.0 I cant find it
 
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Originally Posted by cliffdog2004 View Post
I've also been reading that the K&N filters aren't good for vehicles with MAF sensors because of the filter oil they use to catch more of the dirt and particulates. Older carb'd engines eat that stuff up no problem, but those MAFs are sensitive...
I've used K&N for over 20yrs on MANY different cars. Only once did I have a MAF problem. And that 1 time was a piece of debris on one of the wires.
All it takes is a little MAF spray cleaner on the MAF wires about twice a yr. It's a way overblown concern.
Also, I rebuild / modify engines. And on the engines that used K&N for yrs prior to being rebuilt the wear looks perfectly normal as compared to ones that used paper filters.
IMO the carbon from EGR contributes 1000% more to buildup in the intake, valves, and bore scuffing.
 
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So the k&n filters require oiling?
 
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Bank one running rich

I replaced the air filter on my 98 and that cleared up the bank 2 running Rich now it still reads bank one running rich it's not the egr or the pcv valve I'm at a loss of where to go from here
 
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I’m not sure changing the filter only cleared up one side... something else must be going on.
 
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My next step is to clean the maf sensor that seems to be the only other solution
 
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It’s going to be your rubber PVC elbow on the PVC tube. Mine had a pinhole leak that caused it to suck unmetered air causing it to run lean. Check YouTube for the location of the PVC tube.
 
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On a V6 or V8 engine one bank running lean or rich can be an upstream O2 sensor issue on that bank
O2 sensors use a chemical reaction like the battery does, so they do use up the chemicals and start to fail, 100k to 150k miles is recommended change period

BUT............if there was an engine problem that caused oil or coolant to go into the exhaust then that can shorten the O2s life

Air filter, MAF sensor, temp sensor, air temp sensor, PCV Valve, upper intake manifold vacuum leak, all effect BOTH banks
Lower intake vacuum leak, injector issue, leaking valve stem seal, would just effect one bank
 
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