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Ha! I found it! my manual book helped me to find it. The Haynes book is all wrong! sign, that fuse looks good, that's means I still have problem somewhere. I'm curious... what does Flex Fuel Vaporized Sensor look like? I was under the my Ranger today and I noticed wired part near tranny, it's look like a two gold cups attched to wires but there's a gap between two gold cups. I wonder if that's FF Vaporized sensor? hmm.
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Hey I was looking on fords website and I noticed that the 2005 explorer sport tracs 4.0L is flex fuel ok, it make more power on flex fuel also. I thought that was werid that they can and the rangers can't, I thought it was the same motor.

Not that it matters because there aren't any E85 stations near me.
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Hey I was looking on fords website and I noticed that the 2005 explorer sport tracs 4.0L is flex fuel ok, it make more power on flex fuel also. I thought that was werid that they can and the rangers can't, I thought it was the same motor.
It's about more than the just the engine. An FFV has an upgraded fuel system to handle the corrosive properties of alcohol and engine controls that can determine the gasoline/alcohol mixture and adjust for it.

Every year, Ford makes a part of its model mix compatible with alternative fuels. Over the years, there have been production vehicles powered by methanol blends, propane, natural gas and electricity as well as ethanol FFV's and hybrids.

IIRC, Ranger FFVs have not been available since 2003. In the meantime, some Explorer variants with the 4.0L engine have been available as FFV's. I'd be willing to bet that part of the reason for the Explorer choice was to placate some of the SUV haters by selling an alternative fuel version.
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what does Flex Fuel Vaporized Sensor look like? I was under the my Ranger today and I noticed wired part near tranny, it's look like a two gold cups attched to wires but there's a gap between two gold cups. I wonder if that's FF Vaporized sensor? hmm.
Sorry, I don't have any pictures or even a description. You can identify it by using the color codes of the three wires in the schematic that John posted above.
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IIRC, Ranger FFVs have not been available since 2003. In the meantime, some Explorer variants with the 4.0L engine have been available as FFV's. I'd be willing to bet that part of the reason for the Explorer choice was to placate some of the SUV haters by selling an alternative fuel version.
Think it could have something to do w/ sales or production volumes? The 3.0L powered Ranger was a pretty popular seller for a while.. and if my seen'em-on-the-highway count is right, so is the SportTrac. Making popular vehicles FFV means Ford can say "Look! We sold XYZ FFV vehicles last year, we're great!"
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I think that's it exactly. Okay by me though -- if only I could run E85 when I felt like it. It's one thing to say a vehicle can run a certain fuel -- it's another thing to actually GET the fuel!
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Think it could have something to do w/ sales or production volumes? The 3.0L powered Ranger was a pretty popular seller for a while.. and if my seen'em-on-the-highway count is right, so is the SportTrac. Making popular vehicles FFV means Ford can say "Look! We sold XYZ FFV vehicles last year, we're great!"
I'm sure that it was a multifaceted decision. As far as Sport Trac sales, my guess is that their annual sales are no where near the annual number for the 3.0L Rangers. However, the larger 2002~2005 4.0L 4-door Explorer (non-ST) was also built as an FFV and it does have the numbers.
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It's about more than the just the engine. An FFV has an upgraded fuel system to handle the corrosive properties of alcohol and engine controls that can determine the gasoline/alcohol mixture and adjust for it.

Every year, Ford makes a part of its model mix compatible with alternative fuels. Over the years, there have been production vehicles powered by methanol blends, propane, natural gas and electricity as well as ethanol FFV's and hybrids.

IIRC, Ranger FFVs have not been available since 2003. In the meantime, some Explorer variants with the 4.0L engine have been available as FFV's. I'd be willing to bet that part of the reason for the Explorer choice was to placate some of the SUV haters by selling an alternative fuel version.
Oh yeah I didn't think about that part yeah I guess it would have to have special fuel lines and well everything from the tank to the engine itself. Plus sensors and the list goes on.

Oh yeah I can understand ford making the explorer FFV to shut up the SUV haters, I totally get that.

I have said on here in other posts I saw a ford commerical on TV where Bill Ford is talking about how they want 250,000 hybrids on the road by 2010 and he wants 250,000 FFV on the road by next year. I think both are great. Now if he could get a few 100 station that have flex fuels I would be in good shape.

Does anybody know of a website where your can search for the closest flex fuel station to you ?
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Does anybody know of a website where your can search for the closest flex fuel station to you ?
http://www.e85fuel.com/database/search.php
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Bill Ford said those things in a TV commercial in a time when people are increasingly concerned about fuel costs?! That's socking!

Having E85 accessable is not going to make any impact on Ford's corporate image.
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This is from a handbook on the e85 site Bob linked. It is on materials used for ethanol. It actually looks like metals are as much or more of a problem as plastics!
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So the closest one to me is 45 minutes away in a direction I never go in. LOL
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Whats more funny is there is one I would use if I had a FFV maybe once a year in VA and it says "Private facility. No public access". LOL

Maybe in 10 years.
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This is from a handbook on the e85 site Bob linked. It is on materials used for ethanol. It actually looks like metals are as much or more of a problem as plastics!
ummm.....it says it can dissolve aluminum, aren't the heads or block or both on our engines made from aluminum ? or was it saying that its ok with E85 but not straight ethanol ?
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Could be worse.. look at us in New England..

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I saw that ford commercial again, he says something about H2 hygrogen powered vehicals, and they show a H2 6.8L V10. They want to make engines that burn hygrogen, thats nice, show me a pump for that.

I think ford has some high hopes, Between PA, MD, VA, WV there are I think 8 FFV station, most said "Private facility. No public access". All were no where near me or any direction I head in.
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Could be worse.. look at us in New England..

I am surprized NYC doesn't have some. Some seem to be around big cities. All the ones in MD are near washington DC.
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Hi people, This is Deafiejohn, I disconnected battery for more than 30 minutes to reset the PCM then fill up E85 again for second time, and driving for while, the engine check came on again but the MPG is surprised me, it got good 19-20 mpg it was poor 9.5 mpg on first time fill up E85 from different station. now I realize that E85 gas is not always same at every gas station. I suspect that gas station owners switched the kerosene to E85 in the same underground tank but they cleaned it out not enough before first delivery of E85 that's why it causing my Ranger FFV ran too lean both of that gas stations just got their first delivery E85 last few weeks ago, my mistake is putting E85 in my Ranger from unclean former kerosene underground tank. all underground tanks need to flush out or more e85 delivery to clean it out. I noticed that my Ranger is very sentive to poor or good E85 ( example: first fill up E85 on empty tank ran poorly mpg 9.5 and second time fill up on empty tank from different station ran best mpg 19-20!!!) I'm so surprised. but I still working on this small problem why did my "engine check" came on when even good mpg! maybe if I will do replacing all spark plugs to see if it's help.... I will let you to know
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Hi people, This is Deafiejohn, I disconnected battery for more than 30 minutes to reset the PCM then fill up E85 again for second time, and driving for while, the engine check came on again but the MPG is surprised me, it got good 19-20 mpg it was poor 9.5 mpg on first time fill up E85 from different station. now I realize that E85 gas is not always same at every gas station. I suspect that gas station owners switched the kerosene to E85 in the same underground tank but they cleaned it out not enough before first delivery of E85 that's why it causing my Ranger FFV ran too lean both of that gas stations just got their first delivery E85 last few weeks ago, my mistake is putting E85 in my Ranger from unclean former kerosene underground tank. all underground tanks need to flush out or more e85 delivery to clean it out. I noticed that my Ranger is very sentive to poor or good E85 ( example: first fill up E85 on empty tank ran poorly mpg 9.5 and second time fill up on empty tank from different station ran best mpg 19-20!!!) I'm so surprised. but I still working on this small problem why did my "engine check" came on when even good mpg! maybe if I will do replacing all spark plugs to see if it's help.... I will let you to know
It can be very misleading to judge fuel economy one tank at a time. Differences in how the pump handles click off or how the truck is parked or the volatility of the fuel can all cause errors. The better way to check economy is to compute the miles driven over at least three tanks so the refueling errors nearly cancel out.
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Good Idea, I would like to find out what happening to mpg when I fill up third time at pump station in first place where my Ranger received poor mpg before. I want to compare two gas stations to see if they have good quality E85. I will let you know later.
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Today, I took my truck to Ford dealer to check up for why did "engine check" lights come on after I put E85 gas. They found a upper intake gasket leaking. they will fix it tomorrow. I hope my Ranger will run better mpg and more power with E85 gas. Thanks for your helps. John
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