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Plus your talking about a Power wagon, that doesn't even have a diesel option. Dodges themselves IMO opinion are a walking Defect. My buddy gets a deal on them but he hates them. Not kidding that he has to put on new wheel bearings at 6-10K miles. This is not just his problem, my buddy works at a Dodge dealer as a mechanic and he does at least one a day.

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engine doesn't matter in those top 10...........it was just best overall 10 off road vehicles......my brother has a 2000 dodge 2500 cummins that he has had no problem out of, except for the time the old lady pulled out in font of him going 50mph....needless to say he won......
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we have a 2000 with the 7.3l,i think the 7.3l is the best diesel ford made,and it is way more reliable than the 6.0l.we put 120,000 miles on it in 5 years,with no problems.
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I like it, not as much as the 05-06. Still a badass truck, a hell of alot better and tougher looking than anything GM or Dodge has out. I cant wait to see these things lifted...
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I am actually upset at ford for going to Coils. If I have a truck that big I Am going to plow with it and Leafs are far superior to coils. At least Dodge/Ford still have a solid front axle, GM currently has SLA torsion bars on one tons! Hopefully they will go away from that in the redesign.

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im with you 100%. if i have somethin that needs to be tough, it needs to be tough. i could care less about the ride with coils. i wa.nt somethin thats cheaper and more effective, with less parts to break. i cant believe that chevys have the IFS in their HDs either.
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engine doesn't matter in those top 10...........it was just best overall 10 off road vehicles......my brother has a 2000 dodge 2500 cummins that he has had no problem out of, except for the time the old lady pulled out in font of him going 50mph....needless to say he won......
I was just pointing out that it was a special offroad edition comparing to a regular truck. That's like comparing a Level II to a stock non ZR2 S10. It isn't a fair fight. The Power wagon is a Poor seller and that is why the others aren't fighting to keep up with it. The heavy Light duty truck market could car less about sever off roading. These are not rock crawlers they are work horses.

I also have abuddy that has a 01 Ram 2500 with no problems other than a tranny or two, but I have seen with my own eyes these things fall apart from my buddies 6 trucks and a couple of his buddies have the same problem. Not to mention a Dodge mechanic backing this up. It is an expensive thing to fix every 6-10K miles. My buddy is so Anti ford that he sticks with Dodges (He's a GM guy but knows they don't make a decent Heavy light duty truck)

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Think how I feel,working at a Ford dealer n seeing this fugly thing come into the shop,and then when someone comes to the parts dept to order accessories for the pig,I have to lie to them n say "Yeah it sure is a Great looking rig!".....we sure know how to make UGLY!
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i dunno... its growing on me...
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i likes it. i bet money it grows on you folks, like the new rangers. a lot of people didnt like those at first, now they do...
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top 10 for off-highway use...
I'll out wheel just about every vehicle on that list.....A Kia Sorento?!
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i likes it. i bet money it grows on you folks, like the new rangers. a lot of people didnt like those at first, now they do...
04+ Front ends are still ghey!
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Not sure if anyone brought it up yet, but Ford will be offering the new superduty F-450 with all the comfort options of the smaller superduties and they will be available through all dealers, not just those that deal in the medium duty trucks. All the details on the truck are at fordvehicles.com. I believe they rate the tow capacity at 24,000 lbs. I'm begining to think my 2001 F-350 has a replacement comming sooner than expected!
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I'll out wheel just about every vehicle on that list.....A Kia Sorento?!
Dude, don't diss the Sorento. I've been having to drive one every day for the past 3 months & it's pretty tight. Fast too. lol

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Two friends of mine have Sorento's and and both of them the 4wd went out within two years. Total junk. My g/f has a Kia, I know all about those things. Not dissing them but they're not the best built vehicle.
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i like it..

that chevy looks good too!
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At first I thought they were ugly as all get out, but they are kinda growing on me, they are not my favorite front end style though.
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04+ Front ends are still ghey!
i dont like the 06/07 grills they are ugly...and i dont like how the grille cuts into the hood...the 01-03 is my favorite front end style...
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PUKE, looks about as good as the new navigator
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Maurice..we have never had a problem ever, I normally value your opinions but lets talk for a min bud. First off i dont even want to get into the Dodge/chevy/Ford deisel debate. the Dodge and Ford deisels are two different animals. ok with that out of the way

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besides ford has to put twin turbos on their diesels to keep up with the power dodge is making with the cummins.......
now with this comment. dude you are really cracking me up right now...first off do a simple search i have been talking about the twin turbo motor for over a year now. BECAUSE my father has been one of the guys Dynoing this motor since its prototype, in Dearborn. I have seen this motor on the dyno oh hell probly over 30+ times. She is a good motor. Ok time to learn, the point of the twin turbo is this: all deisels have turbo Lag....the new twin turbo Ford utilizes one smaller turbo for the lower RPM's, to kill some of the turbo lag. The other turbo is the big burtha that takes care of all the higher boost, out of Lag. honistly if the stupid Bean counters at Ford dont rip the power out of the motor like they usually do it will out perform the Dodge hands down. From the stats i was watching at the Dyno with my father when he last had it, it was insane to say the least.

now dont get me wrong as much as a hate dodge trucks there Cummins which mind you is a CUMMINS not dodges motor is great i love it. hell they even offer Jacobs Exhaust Brake, thats bad ***. like i sayed lets not start a war here i could careless...

ok lets talk #'s for a min the *TRUTH* so far

current Cummins
325 horsepower at 2,900 rpm
610 lb-ft of torque at 1,600 rpm


the CURRENT Ford 6.0L
[email protected],300 HP
[email protected],000 TQ

ok currently TQ wise the Cummins bets the Power Stroke out by 40 ft/tq, any body that knows engines knows thats alot... ok i wont deny that...

ok the NEW 6.4L Power stroke, they are advertising this:
350 hp
650 ft/tq

they dont list at the moment what RPM. now it beats out the CURRENT cummins by 40 ft/tq and 25 hp...like i sayed before that is alot stock for stock.

now HONISTLY i have sat next to my father at Ford and i have watched this motor at IDLE making a holy god of 700+ ft/tq just chilling there, and guess what it wasnt even running good, this was back over 8 months ago. I HIGHLY wonder if there underrating it (Ford is known for that) or they ripped the power out of the programmer, just in re-programing this motor you will see huge gains. ford has done better with the internals compaired to the 6.0L, i have never been a fan of that motor. watched my dad blow up WAY to many i mean about 15+ on the dyno. the new 6.4L he only blew up 2 one was a rough prototype costing well over 100k. the secound was a very abused motor that was still a test motor not close to final production specs...in the real world it would have had well over 300,000miles. thats the condition it was in. see the point of the twin turbo was to gain HIGHER ft/tq at LOWER RPM, and try to keep in boost instead of falling out of it, thus the small turbo. I am not BSing you here i have helped my dad with this motor in the test cell, hell even held the damn turbo's while he changed out a few sensor's.




now any other questions? like i sayed dont make this a DODGE FORD war i was trying to show real stats and tell you info that i personally know....


also i hated the look of the new truck but i really like it in its F-450 version here dually

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Maurice..we have never had a problem ever, I normally value your opinions but lets talk for a min bud. First off i dont even want to get into the Dodge/chevy/Ford deisel debate. the Dodge and Ford deisels are two different animals. ok with that out of the way



now with this comment. dude you are really cracking me up right now...first off do a simple search i have been talking about the twin turbo motor for over a year now. BECAUSE my father has been one of the guys Dynoing this motor since its prototype, in Dearborn. I have seen this motor on the dyno oh hell probly over 30+ times. She is a good motor. Ok time to learn, the point of the twin turbo is this: all deisels have turbo Lag....the new twin turbo Ford utilizes one smaller turbo for the lower RPM's, to kill some of the turbo lag. The other turbo is the big burtha that takes care of all the higher boost, out of Lag. honistly if the stupid Bean counters at Ford dont rip the power out of the motor like they usually do it will out perform the Dodge hands down. From the stats i was watching at the Dyno with my father when he last had it, it was insane to say the least.

now dont get me wrong as much as a hate dodge trucks there Cummins which mind you is a CUMMINS not dodges motor is great i love it. hell they even offer Jacobs Exhaust Brake, thats bad ***. like i sayed lets not start a war here i could careless...

ok lets talk #'s for a min the *TRUTH* so far

current Cummins
325 horsepower at 2,900 rpm
610 lb-ft of torque at 1,600 rpm


the CURRENT Ford 6.0L
[email protected],300 HP
[email protected],000 TQ

ok currently TQ wise the Cummins bets the Power Stroke out by 40 ft/tq, any body that knows engines knows thats alot... ok i wont deny that...

ok the NEW 6.4L Power stroke, they are advertising this:
350 hp
650 ft/tq

they dont list at the moment what RPM. now it beats out the CURRENT cummins by 40 ft/tq and 25 hp...like i sayed before that is alot stock for stock.

now HONISTLY i have sat next to my father at Ford and i have watched this motor at IDLE making a holy god of 700+ ft/tq just chilling there, and guess what it wasnt even running good, this was back over 8 months ago. I HIGHLY wonder if there underrating it (Ford is known for that) or they ripped the power out of the programmer, just in re-programing this motor you will see huge gains. ford has done better with the internals compaired to the 6.0L, i have never been a fan of that motor. watched my dad blow up WAY to many i mean about 15+ on the dyno. the new 6.4L he only blew up 2 one was a rough prototype costing well over 100k. the secound was a very abused motor that was still a test motor not close to final production specs...in the real world it would have had well over 300,000miles. thats the condition it was in. see the point of the twin turbo was to gain HIGHER ft/tq at LOWER RPM, and try to keep in boost instead of falling out of it, thus the small turbo. I am not BSing you here i have helped my dad with this motor in the test cell, hell even held the damn turbo's while he changed out a few sensor's.




now any other questions? like i sayed dont make this a DODGE FORD war i was trying to show real stats and tell you info that i personally know....


also i hated the look of the new truck but i really like it in its F-450 version here dually
good call.....i am glad you set me straight....that is what i like...if someone disagrees then dont just argue, show proof.....i didn't know any #'s from the new powerstroke......the only good thing about the dodge trucks is the Cummins......when Ford puts the Cummins as an option in the superdutys, i will have to consider one.......the added torque will allow for the powerstroke to have the start up pulling power that the cummins has....take off is really were the powerstroke lacked.....

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btw.....i like the new superduty in 450 & 550 trim since it has the 22.5 wheels on it.....it really looks like a small semi so in that trim it is good looking....
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good call.....i am glad you set me straight....that is what i like...if someone disagrees then dont just argue, show proof.....i didn't know any #'s from the new powerstroke......the only good thing about the dodge trucks is the Cummins......when Ford puts the Cummins as an option in the superdutys, i will have to consider one.......the added torque will allow for the powerstroke to have the start up pulling power that the cummins has....take off is really were the powerstroke lacked.....

thank you for the info stone....
Very Glad you took my post this way, thus why i think your a good guy . now i know for sure Ford will never have a Cummins motor, thats just a Dodge's thing. now further note. my Dad was a Deisel tech/Driver for DST automotive. they where the "Roush" of Ford in the 80's, he repaired all there deisel trucks and also drove the truck with the prototype cars he help build to the show. he knows Deisels thats why what i am saying is some what creditable. Ford got there hands on the Cummins out of the dodge, and had it in his dyno a couple years ago. now also this was a COUPLE years ago like 2+ so idk how much the motor has changed. but my father has worked on the REAL semi Cummins oviously before. he was HIGHLY depressed in the quality of the motor compaired to Cummins usual standards. now that doesnt mean i am calling this a horrible motor he just wasnt impressed with it. Also being i dont follow Dodge, idk if they changed the motor since then or not, i have no clue.

I also agree a STOCK for STOCK the cummins had lower end grunt over the power stroke. but a simple programmer does fix the Ford in that department. Buddy grant had a 1999 7.3L with a tuner, definally fixed that problem.

Ford since computer programming came out has always been sucky stock, always needed a swift kick in the **** from an aftermarket programmer. hell as we all know with the ranger even. just how it is.

I would HIGHLY bet with just a simple tune the new 6.4L will he a huge contender with the Cummins in the next few years, expecially with the help of 2 turbo's doing there job. NOW i could also be wrong and they fail misserably. all i have seen these motors perform is in the Dyno. that seemed promising. but that motor has since left my dads room about 4-3 months ago and god knows how much HP/TQ or strenth they ripped out of it since then if any...


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btw.....i like the new superduty in 450 & 550 trim since it has the 22.5 wheels on it.....it really looks like a small semi so in that trim it is good looking....
Big 10-4 on that there. I have seen these trucks with that package in person at my dads work. they look very nice. personally i dont care for the lower models they look wimpy...
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i know for a fact that Dodge isn't putting the Cummins in their truck after '08 model years...and half way into the '08 model year they are susposadly switching to the Mercedes diesel....if that is true about the Mercedes diesel and it is like the semi diesels, then it will be a strong little engine.....

i really like how they have the stip integrated into the tailgate...that would be hand if the truck got lifted......
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i know for a fact that Dodge isn't putting the Cummins in their truck after '08 model years...and half way into the '08 model year they are susposadly switching to the Mercedes diesel....if that is true about the Mercedes diesel and it is like the semi diesels, then it will be a strong little engine.....

i really like how they have the stip integrated into the tailgate...that would be hand if the truck got lifted......
wow didnt see that comming on the engines but then agian i never follow the Dodge's. yes Benz's deisel are very nice might be a good change for them. i know i have heard from the grape vine Ford every once and a while sets up talks with International and Detroit deisel about making motor's for them but nothing ever comes of it....

yes that step is really sweet so i hear, Buddy Grant(g'sevo) saw one at work and sayed it was very useful...
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wow didnt see that comming on the engines but then agian i never follow the Dodge's. yes Benz's deisel are very nice might be a good change for them. i know i have heard from the grape vine Ford every once and a while sets up talks with International and Detroit deisel about making motor's for them but nothing ever comes of it....

yes that step is really sweet so i hear, Buddy Grant(g'sevo) saw one at work and sayed it was very useful...
the benz diesel is all that freightliner uses now.....they are exclusive to benz......dad is a die hard cummins guy in his semi's but he really likes the new benz's........

i also really like how they finally integrated a larger spot mirror into the stock mirrors.....i wonder if they kept the "tow command" system or if it went to the way side......i know they are rated at 24,000# tow capacity, but that is alot of weight to stop with a stock 350's breaks unless they switched to the big breaks like in the 450 and 550's, but then they would have to have the larger wheels....sometimes manufactures over rate things i think....
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the benz diesel is all that freightliner uses now.....they are exclusive to benz......dad is a die hard cummins guy in his semi's but he really likes the new benz's........

i also really like how they finally integrated a larger spot mirror into the stock mirrors.....i wonder if they kept the "tow command" system or if it went to the way side......i know they are rated at 24,000# tow capacity, but that is alot of weight to stop with a stock 350's breaks unless they switched to the big breaks like in the 450 and 550's, but then they would have to have the larger wheels....sometimes manufactures over rate things i think....
on the stoping i am almost curtian they upgraded i could be wrong tho. the f-450 most like has as larger brakes, i know the f-series has all disk brakes all around. but you are also forgetting Trailer brakes that helps oh so much. when we tow with our explorer you definally know if you have the trailer brakes on or not
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