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Old 05-26-2006
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It is possible,not impossible to fix that front cross member.But the way it looks you would have to be a good fabricator to make it strong enough,to handle the stress of tow hooks or somone pulling you out agin.I just would not trust it.
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Ah, I see. Well, it sounds like good skid/underbody protection should be a top priority. I'd leave glass and stuff for if you need it. If you're taking the body lift off and running 35's, then the glass would help clearance. You'll still have rub on the frame area on turns though without a suspension lift -- and likely have some on the frame at flex still without more backspacing or a wider front axle setup (SAS in you future?...)
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Zach is money not an issue?

If so I would suggest losing the BL and getting new fenders to fit the tires.

Are there any 4x4 or fabrication shops in your area? If so it may be cheaper to just have one built for you.
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Which crossmember is it? The huge plate that acts as a spare tire carrier? Transmission? engine? The one above the gastank? Theres a whole bunch of them.

Personally speaking.. This is *my* opinion..

Everyone wants some huge tires and all sorts of lift. Theres only so much ground-clearence to be had with a differential hanging down there..

The beds on our trucks act in some fashion as a nice stabalizing piece for the whole rear frame structure. Putting in a bunch of fat rubber washers ) a/k/a ' body lift ' ) just weakens the **** out of it.

Ditch the body lift, grind more clearence out of the fenders. Keeps things stiffer.
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Your truck isn't a Pre-Runner, so I think the tiny flimsy looking prerunner bumpers on your truck would look horribly out of place. I PS'd Gumbo's home-made bumper to something that I think would look much better on a beefier truck like yours. and honestly I htink you could go even thicker with the tubing but this basic ideaName:  tiggybettercopy.jpg
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Your truck isn't a Pre-Runner, so I think the tiny flimsy looking prerunner bumpers on your truck would look horribly out of place.
I agree... I would try to rebuild/strengthen the crossmember and go back to the front end you had before - it was gorgeous.

For the BL - I can't say, but D. brought up an interesting point with the stability issue. Since you're keepin the 35's, and you're still unsure about glass, then I guess it really comes down to how much rubbin you're willin to deal with while flexing.
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Which crossmember is it? The huge plate that acts as a spare tire carrier? Transmission? engine? The one above the gastank? Theres a whole bunch of them.

Personally speaking.. This is *my* opinion..

Everyone wants some huge tires and all sorts of lift. Theres only so much ground-clearence to be had with a differential hanging down there..

The beds on our trucks act in some fashion as a nice stabalizing piece for the whole rear frame structure. Putting in a bunch of fat rubber washers ) a/k/a ' body lift ' ) just weakens the **** out of it.

Ditch the body lift, grind more clearence out of the fenders. Keeps things stiffer.

its the very front crossmember that holds the front bumper.


i know what you are saying about the body lift.

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Ah, I see. Well, it sounds like good skid/underbody protection should be a top priority. I'd leave glass and stuff for if you need it. If you're taking the body lift off and running 35's, then the glass would help clearance. You'll still have rub on the frame area on turns though without a suspension lift -- and likely have some on the frame at flex still without more backspacing or a wider front axle setup (SAS in you future?...)
i think the skid pictured should be fine.

SFA is comeing someday, just not now as a DD

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Zach is money not an issue?

If so I would suggest losing the BL and getting new fenders to fit the tires.

Are there any 4x4 or fabrication shops in your area? If so it may be cheaper to just have one built for you.

money is an issue. but right now i jsut want it fixed. im leaning toward removing the BL more and more.
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well if it was my truck, i'd prob roll with the bumper you have right now untill you fix everthing..save up some money and make a solid bumper for the front and back.
Make the front something like this with shackels and everything in it. I've been thinking about taking off my waag and doing something like this exp when i get the winch.
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and for the back, i love this bumper...exc. it need a trailer hitch in it somewhere.


was ur back bumper messed up?
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^ yea i think i might go ARB style with winch built in.. or if guildo gets this idea he has together, i'll have somthn cool in the future
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I've said it before and I'll say it again

Form Follows Function
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do the prerunner bumper do it sonic blue, have a nice like stainless skid plate, some lights and build it to hide the body lift it can be done and just leave it...
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My vote is go back to what it looked like. Leave the Body Lift, stock bumper, strengthen front crossmember, and LEAVE THE FLARESIDE. The flareside is what makes your truck. Im not much for the "pre-runner" look....
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Personally i think you should leave the body lift or maybe even cut the blocks to give it only like a 1.5" raise intead of 3. That's a last resort kinda thing though. I think you should do what you see fit.
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My opinion

Return your truck the the original appearance.

Fab some braces for the front crossmember(similar to a winch mount).That will "beefen" up the front.
Leave the BL on, it didn't hurt anything.
Install a travel limiter(chain) on you rear springs, I am surprised you didn't rip the shocks off before that spring bent...

Your springs worked the way they should've. The are designed to resist weight straight down, not up and back.
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i still have those prerunner fenders

how far are you from indy? im going there 24th, 25th of june
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honestly, just return it to the way it was before. because if you dump a crapload of money into it and the frame is still tweaked you will not want to keep the vehicle anylonger. i say take it to a body shop and put it on a frame machine, but alot of times once a frame is misaligned the truck will ride like crap if not properly re-aligned.
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how bad is your bumper, im looking for one
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Zach, we need to talk!!!
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Keep everything the way it is, keep the flareside, fab up front and rear bumpers both with skid plates. and a light bar.
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its staying the way it was. ive decided. thanks for the ideas and help.

Nick i might try and call you tomorrow.
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Leave the BL on, it didn't hurt anything..
I would beg to differ. Instead of having STIFF bed contact, he has mushy ( in comparrison ) Polyurethane bushings taking the twist out back. The frame has more flex in those regards. There can be too much flex in some instances.

I presently have 2, 2.5x2.5inch steel beams over my rear axle tie-ing the frame together..



.. to try and eliminate ' flex '. Rigidity is compromised when that body lift goes on.. your taking out metal ( the base of the flareside bed is steel ) and putting in.. rubber?!?!

IMO, these frames have TOO MUCH flex to begin with and allow for a ' sling shot ' event to occure sometimes. It doesn't take much to bend a rangers frame ( I don't think I need to explain how I know :) ). Once its bent, and re-aligned, 'flexing ' on a weaker material isn't good.

Without weight being too much of a consideration, I think ZachB should Box the bloody **** out of his frame and ' X ' brace the center section. He would loose ' Flex ', but it would force the suspension to do its job more.
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I dunno if you're just making a mistake D. but the lift pucks are definately not rubber. You might jus be saying that to make them sound weak but its not true. It'd be a lot easier to imagine it like putting your truck up on 4 lift stands. Sure, they hold up the weight just fine, but if you pushed your truck hard enough all 4 stands would topple over.

Those bodylift pucks are incredibly hard. They are definately not rubber.

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I believe they are actually Nylon. I had a body lift on my red truck when it go slammed into an embankment at 45+ and it bent all the bolts and i think 1 of the actual mounts. None of the blocks were busted or cracked. I understand what D. is saying though. Taking off that body lift would also lower COG but that's not really a concern since zach doesn't do stuff like rock crawling where the low COG is needed.
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Body lifts only change COG about a half of an inch I believe. Since you're not moving much mass really. The frame/engine/tires/wheels/tranny/driveshafts/axles make up a greater portion of the weight!

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