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cbf, could you repost that winch? they all look the same to me.
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The winch I posted has 3,000lbs of straight pulling power. This means you could hang 3,000lbs from the winch and it could pull it up. In the off road winching world this equates to something like 6-7000lbs of rolling weight.
Where are you getting that info? Are you referring to a 1.5 safety factor?
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I've heard good about the newer Smittybuilt, but also bad about the first gen ones. specifically the solenoids. I know my neighbor has had GREAT customer service from them. For my money, it's Warn..... BUT you can't beat the price of Smittybuilt....
http://www.winchdepot.com/partlists....FQrFGgodShAGCw
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Where are you getting that info? Are you referring to a 1.5 safety factor?
No, I'm refering to the fact that the winch has 3,000lbs of straight line pull with 1 wrap on the drum.
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and what winch is this again? could you repost it?
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No, I'm refering to the fact that the winch has 3,000lbs of straight line pull with 1 wrap on the drum.
So how does it double when only rolling? There's more friction from rolling tires than hanging objects.....
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crap, i didnt mean to do that, please disregard that
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what is the 1.5 safety factor? is the the " your winch should be able to pull one and a half times your trucks weight?"
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what is the 1.5 safety factor? is the the " your winch should be able to pull one and a half times your trucks weight?"
No, just about anything used in overhead lifting is rated at least 1.5 times lower than it's actual breaking strength. Most tow straps, chains, etc are also "underrated". I beleive it's 1.5 min, may be even higher.
However, it is a built in safety factor, there for mistakes/wear/etc NOT for planning purposes!!
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ohhh. okay. interesting.

does that also apply for winches? just wondering.
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ohhh. okay. interesting.

does that also apply for winches? just wondering.
No, I wish! If you really want to look into an electric, look at the amps and actual rating PER layer on the drum. Winches are more powerful with less wraps on the drum (smaller "axle" as compared to the "wheel", or gearing), so the more you pay out, the better the winch pulls. Careful though, b/c less line on teh drum gives you less options in pulls. Warn is really goos with this, they list all the layers and amps/pull rating.

9.5xp.....

http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/95xp_winch.shtml
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just to make sure. less cable on the drum= more pulling power?
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just to make sure. less cable on the drum= more pulling power?
Yes, but leave at least five wraps to hold the line on the drum!
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and if by any mistake i unroll it all the way, does the line just come off? or is it secured somehow? is there anyway to make the line longer?
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Hear me out,
I've read this whole thread and I honestly think you should wait on some of the offroading stuff. If you're actually stuck on the side of the road, you don't need a winch to get you out. Dry pavement and some recovery straps should do just fine. You're truck was a very minimal investment. It's got a decent number of miles on it already and I think the less work you do on it, the better. If you somehow **** up the electrical system while installing your winch, how are you going to get to work? In my opinion, just wait until you have a more reliable vehicle and the means to replace it if something bad happens off-road.

As a fellow enthusiastic teenager - my two cents.
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this is very true. actually eye opening to be honest.

but when i told my parents that i want a winch, they thought it was a great idea. because my dad goes camping a lot in out explorer and always manages to get the damn car stuck somewhere where hes not sopost to be. ( i get it from him, last time when i really needed a winch, was when i got stuck driving around on a playground far from my house. YES. a playground. i know it was really freeking stupid, but i wasnt thinking.) it took about an hour for my friends to tow me out. and in order to get me out, we had to hook up 2 jeeps to my frame and pull me. this is when i got the great idea that i needed a winch. i never said this before cause its pretty damn embarrassing. if i had a winch, i would have been out in no time.

thats the cause that inspired me to get a winch. it would mostly be used o get me out of mud. (like today, i was at school, and i park in the gravel lot, {with out a parking permit} and i slid backward into the wooden fence,and broke right through it, because it has been raining here for 2 days and got muddy everywhere. i called one of the same guys that got me out of the playground before, and he got me out within half an hour. this is when i fled the seen)

the winch would be used mostly to get me out of the side of the road, but most definitely to get me out of the stupid choices i make. thats why im so set on getting one.

i know im stupid for letting myself get into things like that.

but once my car breaks for good, it wouldn't be a waste of a winch, it would go on the explorer so my dad can get out of those sticky spots too.
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so i decided that i wanna do a rear hitch, winch setup. but when looking up hitches, i saw that a class 3 hitch only has a GTW of 5k LBS max. do you think thats 5k is enough? i guess i could get a buddy to put in some welds to the hitch, to the frame, ( to make it stronger) what should i do?
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so i decided that i wanna do a rear hitch, winch setup. but when looking up hitches, i saw that a class 3 hitch only has a GTW of 5k LBS max. do you think thats 5k is enough? i guess i could get a buddy to put in some welds to the hitch, to the frame, ( to make it stronger) what should i do?
A hitch is PLENTY strong enough, most winch plates are not even as strong as a hitch. Don't worry about it if you get a good hitch.
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A hitch is towing weight. A winch is not. They are different things.


Here are some articles I would suggest starting with. Read everything there is to know about winches and that should answer your questions. (I have not read these but they look to be ok)

http://ezinearticles.com/?Truck-Winc...Out&id=1702004
http://ezinearticles.com/?Know-the-B...hes&id=1701987
http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/winc..._4Wheeling.htm
http://www.bb4wa.com/articles/Accessories-winch.htm
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i read the them, but i still have the same question.

this is what im thinking:

i get a class 3 hitch. its rated towing is at 5k max.

i will have a winch mount that mounts to the hitch. so the weight will be pulling at, Winch->Winch mount->Class 3 hitch.

i know its not towing, but isnt the hitch rated for 5k pull from a trailer or whatnot, but what does the hitch know what its pulling, the trailer or whatever would be pulling at 5k, and the Winch would be pulling at 8k?

did that make sense? it was kinda hard to explain.
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Didn't really make much sense but I think I know what you meant.

Hmmmm how do i explain this easy...

Just believe and trust me on this.

You will be fine with a class 3 hitch. Not really sure how to explain this to you though. LOL

Your not towing with a winch. Its just an anchor point for the winch to pull from.

And not sure what you mean by a winch pulling at 8K but your truck probably shouldn't be winching out a vehicle that weighs that much. Considering the rule of thumb is 1.5 times the vehicle weight and you shouldn't have a 20,000LB winch.
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alright i believe you.
what you said about how the hitch would be an anchor point, is what i was trying to get at. the hitch is maxed out at 5k. i wouldnt be pulling more than 5k with the winch.(just asking to be on the safe side) but if i happend to need to pull at 6k(or whatever reason) would the class 3 hitch bend, or break the hitch?
just to be clear.
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PS: the winch i will get is rated at a 8k pull line. thats where i got the 8k from.
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No you will be fine. Because your hitch is not pulling the 8K. Your winch is pulling the 8K.
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