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Yeah amsoil is way overpriced and I would never use it. I know someone that claims he has used it in every car he's owned and didn't change it in any car for 10000 miles and never had an oil related problem and also said it wasn't totally black when he drained it. I call BS on that one.
The reason Scamsoil products are priced so high, is because it is a MLM (pyramid scheme) company, where money goes into a lot of people's pocket. Scamsoil buys their
base oil stock from REAL OIL COMPANIES, and just blends it, packages it, makes rediculous claims, and sells it for an outrageous price!!!

To justify the highly inflated price, they try and tell you you can run the stuff like 25K miles!!! Well, they must have gotten in trouble with this claim, because they came out with a TSB on engines that have a tendency to
sludge. Another thing they try and make you believe is a UOA will tell you to keep using the oil. From Blackstone labs, a UOA WILL NOT tell you an engine oil is sludging!!:

Some engines are more prone to sludging than other engines. VW and Audi have these engines, so they developed their own test and specs for oil
sludging. Here are the oils that PASS their tests:

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/vw_tb_17-05-04.pdf

http://dejong947.com/audi/tsb/audi.tb.17-05-01.pdf

Notice there are NO Scamsoil products listed, matter of fact, Scamsoil came out with a TSB about sludging in some engines, and recommended following the auto manufacturer's OCI, instead of the extended OCI BS they claim, to
justify the inflated price of their products!! They also recommend using their XL product, which is their ONLY API certified product!!


http://www.smartsynthetics.com/pdf/T...dge-issues.pdf

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Yeah amsoil is way overpriced and I would never use it. I know someone that claims he has used it in every car he's owned and didn't change it in any car for 10000 miles and never had an oil related problem and also said it wasn't totally black when he drained it. I call BS on that one.
I know guys around here that have used it since the 70s. 25k mile oil changes with a filter change at 12.5k miles and it comes out like new.

I know small local businesses that use it on their well drilling rigs and have for years with 0 issues.

AMSOIL makes good products as does Lucas Oil. I have ran both, both work fine, my only gripe with AMSOIL is I cant buy it at the store!

I use Mobil 1 drain every 10k miles with no issues, 109k miles and still runs great.

I run Lucas in my axles/transfer case and transmission, no issues there either.
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Like I said, ONLY XL, has been API certified for gasoline engines:
Like I said: Just a few of API certified Amsoil gasoline and diesel oils:


Signature Series API SM/CF, SL, SJ...
High Performance API SM/CF, SL, SJ...
XL API SM/CF, SL, SJ...
Premium API SL/CF, SJ, SH...
Super HD Racing API SL/CF...
European API SM/CF, ACEA C3, ACEA A3/B3-04...
Formula 4-Stroke Power API SG, SH, SJ, CL/CH...
Formula 4-Stroke Marine API SL...
Formula 4-Stroke Small EngineAPI SL, SJ, SG, CF, CD...
Formula 4-Stroke Scooter API SG,SL/CF...
Advanced Motorcycle API SG, SL/CF, CG-4...
Premium Diesel API CL-4, CL-4+, CH-4, CF, SM, SL, SJ...
Series 3000 Diesel API CF-4+/CF/CF-2/SL...
HD Diesel API CL-4+/CF/CF-2/SL...

So, I guess you can PROVE that every one of Amsoil's products which absolutely state that they are fully certified with the proper little codes and symbols aren't really certified?


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http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseI...LicenseNo=0995

If that link doesn't work, try this one, and click on "view products":

http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayCompanyI...mpanyID=226450
XL was the first - get your little links updated, or just wait until the eolcs site figures it out...and check back with them later.
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The reason Scamsoil products are priced so high
I can buy nearly every single grade of Amsoil, by the quart, at a lower price than what my local Napa charges for Valvoline SynPower.
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Like I said: Just a few of API certified Amsoil gasoline and diesel oils:


Signature Series API SM/CF, SL, SJ...
High Performance API SM/CF, SL, SJ...
XL API SM/CF, SL, SJ...
Premium API SL/CF, SJ, SH...
Super HD Racing API SL/CF...
European API SM/CF, ACEA C3, ACEA A3/B3-04...
Formula 4-Stroke Power API SG, SH, SJ, CL/CH...
Formula 4-Stroke Marine API SL...
Formula 4-Stroke Small EngineAPI SL, SJ, SG, CF, CD...
Formula 4-Stroke Scooter API SG,SL/CF...
Advanced Motorcycle API SG, SL/CF, CG-4...
Premium Diesel API CL-4, CL-4+, CH-4, CF, SM, SL, SJ...
Series 3000 Diesel API CF-4+/CF/CF-2/SL...
HD Diesel API CL-4+/CF/CF-2/SL...

So, I guess you can PROVE that every one of Amsoil's products which absolutely state that they are fully certified with the proper little codes and symbols aren't really certified?




XL was the first - get your little links updated, or just wait until the eolcs site figures it out...and check back with them later.
Sorry, the API site is up to date (as of August, 2008).......Again, only one Scamsoil product certified, XL!!!!!!

I suggest you check with your "sponser" on why Scamsoil LIES!!!!


Oh, check out this "beauty"!!! The latest API diesel rating is CJ-4, they put this on the bottle label, and it isn't even API certified AT ALL!!

Talk about deceit!!!!!

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/deo.aspx

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Sorry, the API site is up to date (as of August, 2008).......
Why are they so inaccurate?


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Again, only one Scamsoil product certified, XL!!!!!!
Again, your proof is no proof except for a link that isn't even aware that so many oils have full API certification stamped right on the bottles?

APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Signature Series 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for use in gasoline engines, diesel engines (API CF, ACEA B5) and other applications requiring SAE 0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30 with the following worldwide specifications:

API SM/CF, SL, SJ
ILSAC GF-4, 3
ACEA A5/B5-04
GM 4718M, 6094M
Ford WSS-M2C929-A
Honda HTO-06
Daimler Chrysler MS-6395N
VW 503.00

I suggest you check www.amsoil.com and notice how all those bottles have the fancy little certifications/symbols that buyer's are instructed to search for...right on the labels.
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Why are they so inaccurate?




Again, your proof is no proof except for a link that isn't even aware that so many oils have full API certification stamped right on the bottles?

APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Signature Series 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil is recommended for use in gasoline engines, diesel engines (API CF, ACEA B5) and other applications requiring SAE 0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30 with the following worldwide specifications:

API SM/CF, SL, SJ
ILSAC GF-4, 3
ACEA A5/B5-04
GM 4718M, 6094M
Ford WSS-M2C929-A
Honda HTO-06
Daimler Chrysler MS-6395N
VW 503.00

I suggest you check www.amsoil.com and notice how all those bottles have the fancy little certifications/symbols that buyer's are instructed to search for...right on the labels.


Again, sorry you have been sucked into the Scamsoil "cult".......The API website is correct........
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Oh, check out this "beauty"!!! The latest API diesel rating is CJ-4, they put this on the bottle label, and it isn't even API certified AT ALL!!

"Not even API certified AT ALL" ?

APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Synthetic 5W-40 Premium Diesel Oil:

API CJ-4, CI-4+, CH-4, CF
API SM, SL, SJ...
ACEA E7
Mack EO-O Premium Plus
DDC Power Guard 93K218
Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-1
Cummins CES 20081
Volvo VDS-4
MB 228.3
MTU Type II


When is " API CJ-4, CI-4+, CH-4, CF
API SM, SL, SJ..."

"Not even API certified AT ALL" ?
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Again, sorry you have been sucked into the Scamsoil "cult".......The API website is correct........
So, I guess you (or "The API website") can prove that every one of Amsoil's products which absolutely state that they are fully certified with the proper little codes and symbols aren't really certified?

Why would "The API website" permit so many Amsoil products to have full API certification, and then fail to fact check their own website, after they've already passed out the certifications? Sorry you feel so threatened and tormented by the "cult" known as Amsoil. Have a better day.
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"Not even API certified AT ALL" ?

APPLICATIONS
AMSOIL Synthetic 5W-40 Premium Diesel Oil:

API CJ-4, CI-4+, CH-4, CF
API SM, SL, SJ...
ACEA E7
Mack EO-O Premium Plus
DDC Power Guard 93K218
Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-1
Cummins CES 20081
Volvo VDS-4
MB 228.3
MTU Type II


When is " API CJ-4, CI-4+, CH-4, CF
API SM, SL, SJ..."

"Not even API certified AT ALL" ?

NOPE.......one more time, XL is the only Scamsoil oil product that is API certified......Now, just for comparison, here are the Royal Purple products
that are API certified.....big difference:

http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseI...LicenseNo=0777


Don't keep posting Scamsoil's lies!!!!
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NOPE.......one more time, XL is the only Scamsoil oil product that is API certified......
Absolutely false - check the bottles.


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Don't keep posting Scamsoil's lies!!!!
Again: Why would "The API website" permit so many Amsoil products to have full API certification, and then fail to fact check their own website, after they've already passed out the certifications?
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Wow, that's shocking information about Amsoil. And straight from the horse's mouth...compare their web site to the API information. That's just crazy.

They can't use that certification on any bottles unless the product is CURRENTLY certified. If it was certified in 1995 and not today, the bottle can't bear the label. If they do have the label, then it's being misused, as clearly indicated by API's online database of currently certified products.

Amsoil probably got cheap and stopped paying for the certification on everything but XL.
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Absolutely false - check the bottles.

Again: Why would "The API website" permit so many Amsoil products to have full API certification, and then fail to fact check their own website, after they've already passed out the certifications?

I can assure you that the American Petroleum Institute is well-funded enough to maintain their web site.

You want a certification on a bottle? I'll get you one...doesn't mean anything other than they printed it on the bottle. I've just dispatched an e-mail on this to API to clear this matter up...I think the web site is accurate
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I found one answer from Amsoil themselves

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Q. Why aren't all AMSOIL motor oils API licensed

A. Good question. AMSOIL staffers have recently read some message boards with misinformation regarding this issue. Let us address API licensing in depth, as well as the issue of warranties. Some AMSOIL motor oils are API licensed, some are not. If you're concerned about your warranty and feel pressures to use an API licensed oil, even after reading this answer, then the 5W-30 (XLF) or 10W-30 (XLT) XL-7500 or our 15W-40 (PCO) API licensed oils should be your choice. If you are looking for an alternative to frequent oil changes or just want the best performing oil for your car, then one of our top tier non-API licensed synthetic oils are for you. Read on, and decide for yourself.
They're NOT all API Certified. In fact, the majority are not. I'll wait for my e-mail from API.
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They're NOT all API Certified. In fact, the majority are not. I'll wait for my e-mail from API.
Scamsoil's FAQ's are even out of date, PCO was API certified last year, but it isn't anymore, only XL.........

This Scamsoil TSB (previously posted) tells the story, use XL, their only API certified oil product, and follow the Auto Manufacturer's recommended
OCI:

http://www.smartsynthetics.com/pdf/T...dge-issues.pdf
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I've never used their product because I don't like buying my oil from a door-to-door salesman, but I figured with as many people using them, they'd at least keep their certifications up to date. If you read the list for ExxonMobil, it's got to be hundreds of API certified products. Pennzoil, Valvoline, you name it...all the others are fully certified on everything.

That's just frightening stuff.
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I've never used their product because I don't like buying my oil from a door-to-door salesman, but I figured with as many people using them, they'd at least keep their certifications up to date. If you read the list for ExxonMobil, it's got to be hundreds of API certified products. Pennzoil, Valvoline, you name it...all the others are fully certified on everything.

That's just frightening stuff.
The TSB I posted was from 2005, so even back then, XL was the only API certified Scamsoil product for gasoline engines!!!
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Overall who cares if its certified? If it works it works, obviously AMSOIL works or they would have been out of business years ago.
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Scamsoil

Scam = A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

You call it a scam yet they are still in business and have been for years, so it cannot be a scam.
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Scam = A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

You call it a scam yet they are still in business and have been for years, so it cannot be a scam.
The company selling Tornadoes is still in business too!!

Read up on MLM companies:

http://www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html

http://www.shop-money-time.com/main/id45.html
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Overall who cares if its certified? If it works it works, obviously AMSOIL works or they would have been out of business years ago.
API certification is a warranty requirement by ALL US Auto manufacturers!!!

Obviously, Scamsoil thinks it's important, or they wouldn't lie about ALL of their products being API certified, as well as recommending XL, their ONLY
API certified product........



Here are just a few other scam companies, including the Pulstar Plugs! I find it interesting that the Tornado site includes a bible verse so you might think they are legit!!


http://www.petro-mag.com/

http://www.tornadofuel-saver.com/?gc...FQo2GgodfTuRCA

http://www.pulstarpulseplugs.com/default.asp?KID=3340

Great examples of how companies prey on people, who don't have any technical (or engineering) background!



More references for fuel saving scam companies:

http://ezinearticles.com/index.php?F...ces&id=1136940

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/devicefs.pdf

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I think it's awesome that Amsoil's Entry Level oil is good enough to make it on the magic API link, but all of Amsoil's far superior lines of oil just no can cut it.

I've used Mobil1, Amsoil, Royal Purple, Valvoline SynPower and Lucas in various vehicles I've owned and Amsoil always had better UOA results in the testing I've had done so I'll only use Amsoil. Period. And for those that claim Used Oil Analysis testing is a "scam" I just say Whatever

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I think it's awesome that Amsoil's Entry Level oil is good enough to make it on the magic API link, but all of Amsoil's far superior lines of oil just no can cut it.

I've used Mobil1, Amsoil, Royal Purple, Valvoline SynPower and Lucas in various vehicles I've owned and Amsoil always had better UOA testing in the testing I've had down so I'll only use Amsoil. Period. And for those that claim Used Oil Analysis testing is a "scam" I just say Whatever

Well, at least you now agree only one of Scamsoil's oil products (XL) is API certified!

Maybe you know why Scamsoil recommends their Entry Level oil (XL) over all their other oil products?

With regards to UOA, Blackstone Labs says that this will not test for oil sludging.
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Well, at least you now agree only one of Scamsoil's oil products (XL) is API certified!-
Wrong!
Until you can prove that Amsoil is forced to change their labels listing API certification...


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Maybe you know why Scamsoil recommends their Entry Level oil (XL) over all their other oil products?
Because their Entry Level oil isn't nearly as good as their higher priced oils?


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With regards to UOA, Blackstone Labs says that this will not test for oil sludging.
I guess this evasion deserves a "Whatever"
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