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Old 01-24-2009
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damn dude that sucks i hope you get the truck back up and running
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Wow, I just remembered why I don't come on this site very often anymore.
aww, you hurt my feelings!

seriously though, what if it was a big rock you hit? who would be to blame for that?
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seriously though, what if it was a big rock you hit? who would be to blame for that?
i did that once.... but i almost cleared it but put a nice dent in the cross member
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aww, you hurt my feelings!

seriously though, what if it was a big rock you hit? who would be to blame for that?
I take it you're one of the scapegoat finders in life? Always accusing people of blaming others and never taking responsibility for their own actions?

And it sounds like you should avoid big rocks in the road, they do some damage.

Really guys?
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I agree its a ****ty situation but the only person you have to blame is yourself.

No one but you drove your truck 50mph in places that you hadnt scouted. Granted scouting is a pain in the *** but with stupid people out there you almost have to.

Hope you get your rig fixed soon. Its pretty sweet.
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Old 01-25-2009
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You guys never cease to amaze me. Don't expect any sympathy or understanding on my part when you damage yourself or something you own due to someone else's naivety and irresponsible behavior.

This site definitely isn't what it used to be, people used to have brains on here.
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/a...pit_501647.htm

See. Constant turning in the same area will cause berms.
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Damn dude sorry to hear that. Hope that whatever path you go with the truck it goes smoothly

People dig trenches out in the sand then drop off their kids to play?
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I take it you're one of the scapegoat finders in life? Always accusing people of blaming others and never taking responsibility for their own actions?

And it sounds like you should avoid big rocks in the road, they do some damage.

Really guys?
wait a second... youre the one blaming other OHV users for you crashing your truck! are you kidding me? I said it was your fault, YOU are the one looking for a scapegoat by blaming someone for not bringing a grader into the sand dunes to fill in their ruts!
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Old 01-25-2009
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Well it sounded like complaining and blame to me. It does suck, it is disappointing, but not unexpected. Every time I've been to the dunes in Oregon, I expect some of this type of ****, it goes with the territory. Just like the jackasses on 44's who make a huge roost and leave 2ft deep ruts all over the place. It's not very respectful but people are going to do it and you have to expect it.

Did you fix the berm before you left, or leave it for the next person?

By the way, sick truck.
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Life happens. People are ignorant and have no respect for others or property, private or not. You can't fix stupid. The most you can do is do what you know is right and wait for karma to catch up to those who really need a wakeup call.
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It sucks that it had to happen to you, man, but really, I have to agree with the said scape goats. You are right, the people out there should have cleaned up after themselves. However, they aren't the only ones to blame. You could have scouted. You could have seen that before hitting it with your truck. But instead, you decided to go on with the fun, and unfortunately, you paid the price.

I completely agree with you, though, that people need to start being a hell of a lot more responsible about the areas they use on OHV parks. I am so sick and tired of picking up crap on the trail that I'm about ready to just quit doing it, but I wont.

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Did you fix the berm before you left, or leave it for the next person?
That is what treat lightly is all about. Even if you don't do the damage on the OHV park, it never hurts to fix a problem. Garbage, man made structures not built by the park themselves, and otherwise dangerous debris should be looked for and disposed of. This is why I try not to go on my own, so I can have somebody ahead on the trail to look for obstacles that I can and can't get across with the truck. I also carry with me at least one garbage bag, and pack out what I packed in, as well as others crap.

I shouldn't have to do it, yes, but I do anyway.
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Definitely ****ty man. But I'm with Jake, James, and the other guys on this one. The example about mudding, and someone coming in before you and rutting out a mud hole with 44's, then you trying it with 33's and ending up breaking something is a perfect example. There are all kinds of wheelers out there, on all types and sizes of tires...but they all have a right to be there. Thats why its public land. If they feel like tearing up the mud hole with 44's because they can, they are going to do it.

I guess you give mankind too much trust. People are idiots, and you can't fix that. The only thing you can do is adjust to the idiots so they don't fvck you over. Sorry to say it man, but you should of scouted the area first.
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I'm leaving this to the inconsiderate wolves of this site. I will honestly say that I can't wait until I see you come to a "community" that is supposed to represent shared interests and ideals and describe an experience similar to mine and get little support. I can tell right now those that are misinterpreting my efforts here are those that do not respect our lands and have no place using them. You are the reasons problems like these arise, because of utter disrespect for others and failure to understand or take responsibility for the implications of your actions.

Long live Ranger Forums.
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Damn Trent, hope you and Jaimie are doing alright and best of luck with the truck =(
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Dude I'm not sure why you consider everyone inconsiderate wolves.
I think everyone is saying that it sucks. I don't agree that someone should have left a berm like that out there, just as leaving huge ruts, holes, garbage, etc. We all think it sucks that your truck got hurt and the people in the truck got hurt some.
It is good that you wear helmets and have the truck caged.
I think that all people are saying (me anyway) is that it is going to happen no matter what/where. Especially at 50mph with the sun high on the sand where you haven't scouted.
You didn't answer the question either, did YOU go back and clean up the berm? Or leave it for the next person? I have come across big holes and ruts out in the dunes in Oregon, and have stopped to clean them up. People often get stuck and dig a huge hole, and when they get pulled out they just leave the holes or ruts. It sucks. I have hit them in my trucks, luckily going slow enough not to cause damage. But I did stop and try to fill them in atleast. If I would have broken something, sure I would be a little upset. But it is also part of the price you pay to play in public use areas with inconsiderate (uneducated) people out there.
Just a week ago I spent Saturday morning riding dirtbikes in Oregon, helping clear trails of fallen trees from a recent record snow storm there also...

It's like me riding a street bike, hitting an unfamiliar corner FAST, and coming across gravel in the road from a driveway (or bumped out of a truck) and low-siding the bike. Sure, someone should have cleaned up the gravel, or taken better precautions to NOT spill gravel, but if the rider came hard around the corner and hit it on a public road it's their fault. That's the only point I'm trying to come across.
If you are not on private tracks or private land this is going to happen.

On public land they technically have just as much right to do that as you do, even though it may not seem appropriate trail etiquette.

Why don't you spend time trying to clean up stuff like that anyway, or educate people on the tread lightly stuff?

I'm still curious if you went back and fixed the berm.
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I'm leaving this to the inconsiderate wolves of this site. I will honestly say that I can't wait until I see you come to a "community" that is supposed to represent shared interests and ideals and describe an experience similar to mine and get little support. I can tell right now those that are misinterpreting my efforts here are those that do not respect our lands and have no place using them. You are the reasons problems like these arise, because of utter disrespect for others and failure to understand or take responsibility for the implications of your actions.

Long live Ranger Forums.
Its really too bad you think this way man. I have to say, its somewhat childish. Just because a few people on here disagree with what you have to think and say, they are inconsiderate wolves? Get real bud, you come across disagreeing opinions everyday...its life. You can't pout about it and blame the forum as a whole....or the individual (especially in this matter).

The worst thing anyone said is that you should have scouted the area before hitting it. Do you disagree with that? Can't you admit that you should have scouted?

Its not that all of us don't feel your pain...we are all Truck enthusiasts here and its ****ty to see a fellow member have something happen to their truck.

And I am sure most of us agree that whoever did it SHOULDN'T have done it, but as stated before its life. You can't expect everyone to be considerate all of the time. You just have to be more aware of what can happen. Its a risk you take when playing on public land.
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Trent, you need to ****ing relax. We all sympathize with you. It sucks that your truck got messed up but the only person to blame is yourself. Was anyone else driving the truck?

All we are saying that is next time you might want to scout the area before you decided to go wheeling at 50 mph.
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:Shaking the dust off of my "post" button:

First off I am glad you and your girl are ok!!!

That being said I agree that it sucks that they left the land like that, BUT it is still your responsibility to drive your vehicle in a safe manner.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d16_5/vc38305.htm

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This is not your first run-in with un-safe driving (yah, I know about it) and I suggest you take a step back in the future and realize how bad things could have turned out. Luckily you spent the time and money to make sure people were secured properly, but another good suggestion is to always do a quick run through the area to see if there are any obstacles that way you know what areas are good/bad for when you are driving around fast.

I know you are going to get pissed at me, but I really am being blunt because I don't want anything bad to happen to you.

Stay safe
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one of those stupid tracks knocked me off my quad last year at Glamis. those fawkers sneak up quick. Sorry about your truck dude.
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Sorry about your vehicle.

Fortunately no one was seriously hurt - by seriously, I mean: required immediate hospital care - hope everyone recovers quickly from their aches and pains.

Accidents are always an aggravation, sometimes fatally.

FWIW, I think the guys on here have been pretty supportive in their show of sympathy and empathy for what you've gone through. I think that they also understand what you're going through in having to worry about getting your truck repaired and all the rest of it - I think we've all been there.

Accidents by their very nature are "unforeseen". But, 50 MPH anywhere off road? Maybe just a tad too quick for the conditions? Perhaps so, judging by the damage.

Just to put it in perspective, even in "no fault" accidents (which can be a real contradiction!), insurance companies try to assign responsiblity to settle claims.

So, hypothetically, if your accident was covered by your insurance, what do you think they would decide in your case?

Let's just leave it at that.

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Yeah, well it sucks, but....
As you said, it's public property, and the people there before were simply riding. Perhaps they didn't bring a tractor to fix their ruts, lol.
That's what will happen cruising at 50mph without scouting. It sucks, but it's not really fair to ***** about someone else out there. It's not like they dug a trench to "get you".

At Pismo,Glamis,Dumont, any of the large Dune riding areas, it's ILLEGAL to build kiddie tracks. The Rangers will tag you big time if they see you buildling one.
The other problem is people build them right in the way of traffic. It'd be one thing If it was close to camp where people arent buzzing through, but I know the area that he's talking about, and everyone hauls *** right there (myself included).

I cant tolerate kiddie tracks. They have killed people. When I was at Glamis for new years, some dumbass built one wayyy out by the dunes (200+ ft from camp), and someone hit it goin 60+ MPH (which is perfectly normal and acceptable for the area) Lady was knocked out cold for 20 minutes and broke many bones.

These tracks are several feet deep. No truck, buggy, bike, or quad will leave ruts that are anywhere close as a danger as these are.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you Trent.

It's dumbasses like this that are closing down our riding areas in Cali. Enjoy it while it lasts...
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Damn bro.
Sorry to hear that :(
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sorry to hear about your truck.

I really liked this one. I hope you get it back and running again.
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I live about an hour and a half south of you in Santa Barbara and i here a lot of horror stories about Pismo. A lot of people are idiots that go there, and honestly i dont know if ill ever go out there to ride again.

Im sorry about the truck. It looks very well built and fun. Just remember next time that Pismo is a playground and 90% of the people there are idiots.
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