General Technical & Electrical General technical and electrical discussion for the Ford Ranger that does not fit in any other sub-forum.

Engine stumbling

  #1  
Old 08-28-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Engine stumbling

Im trying to figure out why my truck stumbles when revving it below 2k rpms when its cold. If you mash the gas slowly from idle, the rpms will stumble up and down, and you can hear it too. Once it runs for a couple minutes, the problem disappears for the most part. Im taking auto courses in a technical college now, and we've tested the TP sensor, engine temp sensor, and a bunch of others with a lab scope, but everything checks out ok. This isn't a big problem or anything, but right now, we are working with scan tools and stuff, so this falls right into place. Any ideas on what it is?
 
  #2  
Old 08-28-2007
OTRtech's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Upstate,NY
Posts: 2,598
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
Check the pressure at the fuel rail.
Also check the alternator output.
 
  #3  
Old 08-28-2007
Rockledge's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 479
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Have you been experiencing any disappearing coolant in the past few months?
 
  #4  
Old 08-28-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Rockledge
Have you been experiencing any disappearing coolant in the past few months?
no, its all still there.

Im starting to wonder if maybe it is the TP sensor, b/c I unpluged it and then ran the engine, and it acted practically the same as it did when its pluged in when you first crank the engine. When its first unpluged, it will be pretty irratic when you slowly rev it, but after revving it up several times to about 3k rpms, it smooths out pretty good when you slowly rev it, it barely stumbles.....all this makes me think the computer compensates for this, and adjusts the voltage from the TP sensor or whatever to make up for it, or ignores it and uses what it knows from the past. This would probably be why it only stumbles for a minute or so when its first cranked up with it pluged in. Does this make since/ sound reasonable?
 
  #5  
Old 08-30-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
anyone?
 
  #6  
Old 08-31-2007
OTRtech's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Upstate,NY
Posts: 2,598
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
I know you have a different engine but this post may give you a clue :

https://www.ranger-forums.com/forum2...sensor+voltage
 
  #7  
Old 08-31-2007
Takeda's Avatar
Level I Supporter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 3,657
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 3 Posts
How did you test the TP sensor?
 
  #8  
Old 08-31-2007
OTRtech's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Upstate,NY
Posts: 2,598
Likes: 0
Received 11 Likes on 11 Posts
  #9  
Old 08-31-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Takeda
How did you test the TP sensor?
I think we just stuck the probe things into the connector on the right wires. I dont think we tested it disconnected.
 
  #10  
Old 08-31-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
We backprobed it using a snap-on "vantage". We did a Voltage test, Resistance test, and used the lab scope to check the waveform, which was smooth with no glitches and voltage and resistance was all with in factory spec. Telling me that the TPS if fine but that just me, we can always try a new TPS. We also checked the MAF, IAT, TPS, ECT, and a few others and all were with in factory spec. I think that all EGR related sensors needs to be checked. Thats what the problem was with mine. We also did a KOEO and KOER test, which didn't throw any codes...
 
  #11  
Old 09-01-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by GearBoxKevin
We backprobed it using a snap-on "vantage". We did a Voltage test, Resistance test, and used the lab scope to check the waveform, which was smooth with no glitches and voltage and resistance was all with in factory spec. Telling me that the TPS if fine but that just me, we can always try a new TPS. We also checked the MAF, IAT, TPS, ECT, and a few others and all were with in factory spec. I think that all EGR related sensors needs to be checked. Thats what the problem was with mine. We also did a KOEO and KOER test, which didn't throw any codes...
I still think its the TPS!!!
 
  #12  
Old 09-02-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Your Truck, you make the call.....
 
  #13  
Old 09-03-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If it can be tested unpluged, I think it would be a good idea to do. Also, we tested it after it had been running, and wasn't stumbling at the time.
 
  #14  
Old 09-04-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Than bring it in the shop and leave it on one of the lifts till after Lunch.... And the only thing that you can do to the TPS while its unplugged is ohm it.
 
  #15  
Old 09-06-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What did I Say ? I Said it would be the EGR, didnt I. So now we know what part of the engine to look at.
 
  #17  
Old 09-06-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by GearBoxKevin
What did I Say ? I Said it would be the EGR, didnt I. So now we know what part of the engine to look at.
yea yea sure....I dont even really know how the egr could effect it.....

Originally Posted by 04 EDGE
did you try cleaning the MAF?
no
 
  #18  
Old 09-06-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sorry I had to do it.... anyways, the EGR is what was messing up my trucks idle at low RPM's.
 
  #19  
Old 09-11-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So hows the truck running ??
 
  #20  
Old 09-13-2007
SouthernMudSlinger's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Demorest,Ga
Posts: 1,724
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
the same as it has been. I looked up the price of a new EGR valve, and its like 80 bucks! hmmmm
 
  #21  
Old 09-20-2007
GearBoxKevin's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What about the EGR flow sensor, you know the one that i changed on my truck twice already. That little black box, I think yours is still factory becouse its metal. Now you know how i feel when it happened to my truck.
 
  #22  
Old 09-20-2007
Mark98xlt's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Parma Ohio
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by SouthernMudSlinger
the same as it has been. I looked up the price of a new EGR valve, and its like 80 bucks! hmmmm
for my 3.0 it was 50 bucks.

my truck would run like **** when i first started it up it was the egr valve but i knew it was that because of the check engine light.

if your going to replace the egr might as well replace the dpfe at the same time because they go bad basically at once.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
staracaster
2.9L & 3.0L V6 Tech
1
05-20-2014 06:57 AM
StratGT
4.0L OHV & SOHC V6 Tech
1
08-13-2010 04:36 AM
warner.325
SOHC - 2.3L & 2.5L Lima Engines
5
12-09-2009 03:48 AM
98WARanger
2.9L & 3.0L V6 Tech
9
11-20-2008 09:39 AM
lifted97ranger
General Technical & Electrical
3
01-23-2008 11:48 AM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Engine stumbling



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:03 AM.