K&N vs OEM Paper Airfilters
#26
03-10-2009
I always hate these OEM is better threads... Always telling me stock is better than this and that... This forum i snot about running a stock truck. It was developed for people who wish to modify their vehicle to their liking and the way they want to run it. If they keep it stock then no big deal but if they spend hundreds or thousands or modifying it to what they want you shouldn't give them crap for it...
#27
03-10-2009
You guys are way to quick to jump to conclusions....
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Placing them side-by-side and comparing filter media square footage does not accomplish anything. That's like saying an apple tastes better than a grape because it is bigger. They are two totally different devices that work in totally different manners. This comparison proves nothing for either side.
#30
03-10-2009
All I know is I did fell a difference in the ranger with my drop in k&n, my '94 5.0 not so much. However the k&n cold air intake worked wonders on my new truck. It gave the 5.4 some freaking life and got rid of 95% of the throttle lag. Now it jumps when I mash the pedal.
#31
03-10-2009
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my truck had a k&n drop in when i got it... changed it out promptly to a paper filter after cleaning the oily MAF..
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The joke is on Bob, he ruined two good filters.
But nice pictures though...makes for an excellent *physical* comparison of the two. If i were buying on physical appearance, I'd totally rock the OEM...I get more paper!!!
But nice pictures though...makes for an excellent *physical* comparison of the two. If i were buying on physical appearance, I'd totally rock the OEM...I get more paper!!!
#33
03-10-2009
Really? Way to make me want to spend more money!
Actually I like the stock filters, on both but my ranger being supercharged cant take a stock paper filter.
#34
03-10-2009
Zach I got this one and the thottle lag is almost none existant. The programmer did ok for it but I really noticed the difference after I installed the cai. Wierd part is this one comes with a throttle body relocater. It lifts it up and points tiwards the grille. Keeps the air moving nice and smoth no hard bends.
#35
03-10-2009
No, it proves no such thing. All it proves is the filter media is not the same size. The material and the manner in which it does the filtering are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. You therefore can NOT use the size of the element to compare function. An apple doesn't taste different than a grape because the apple is bigger.
#36
03-10-2009
How ****ing retarded do you have to be to mess up oiling a filter? A person with downs could do it.
#38
03-10-2009
Ah have you seen a stock filter in water? lol A K&N has saved my truck numerous times from water. Oil blocks water. Paper soaks it up.
Really? Way to make me want to spend more money!
Actually I like the stock filters, on both but my ranger being supercharged cant take a stock paper filter.
Really? Way to make me want to spend more money!
Actually I like the stock filters, on both but my ranger being supercharged cant take a stock paper filter.
#39
03-11-2009
They did
http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/sto...underbolt.html
...still do, if you know the right option codes or if you include special builds like properly optioned Shelby cars and Ford cars/trucks sold with factory Ford part numbered power packages. Many with a "warranty available" note attached.
#40
03-11-2009
All I know is I properly cleaned and oiled my K&N. I drove it for 5000 miles in the semi dusty conditions, not heavy dust, somedays no dust. Opened up the airbox and looked in the lid to see a slight film of oily dust, in other words, stupid to run. Cleaned out the whole intake, used OEM filter, havent' seen dirt in the intake since.
#41
03-11-2009
I run a k&n and haven't had any problems but things like this, http://duramax-diesel.com/spicer/index.htm ,get me thinking.
#42
03-11-2009
I have put around 500,000 miles on various vehicles since the early 1980s without any problems. One of those vehicles was an 89 Ranger that had nearly 200,000 miles on it with a K&N. That 2.9L engine was as good as new when I sold it in 2002 and it is still running strong today. I never found any dust on the filtered side of the intake and also had the oil analyzed. Silicon is an indicator of dirt getting through the filter. It always had a normal amount of silicon.
If K&N filters pass dirt, it must of a size that does not hurt the engine.
If K&N filters pass dirt, it must of a size that does not hurt the engine.
#43
03-11-2009
I have put around 500,000 miles on various vehicles since the early 1980s without any problems. One of those vehicles was an 89 Ranger that had nearly 200,000 miles on it with a K&N. That 2.9L engine was as good as new when I sold it in 2002 and it is still running strong today. I never found any dust on the filtered side of the intake and also had the oil analyzed. Silicon is an indicator of dirt getting through the filter. It always had a normal amount of silicon.
If K&N filters pass dirt, it must of a size that does not hurt the engine.
If K&N filters pass dirt, it must of a size that does not hurt the engine.
is this "pre-wrap" they sell to use with their filters in "very dusty conditions":
http://www.knfilters.com/search/wrap.aspx
And this in their warranty statement:
"K&N will not be responsible for any other expenses incurred by the customer under the terms of this warranty, nor shall it be responsible for any damages either consequential, special, contingent, or otherwise; or expenses or injury arising directly or indirectly from the use of the K&N Air Filter."
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good example bob, looking at the 2 filters strung out across the driveway kinda makes me wonder. then again, my k&n works well as far as keeping things clean on the intake side of the filter... my theory still remains on this one "if it aint broke... dont fix it".
#45
03-11-2009
"K&N will not be responsible for any other expenses incurred by the customer under the terms of this warranty, nor shall it be responsible for any damages either consequential, special, contingent, or otherwise; or expenses or injury arising directly or indirectly from the use of the K&N Air Filter."
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thats kinda like buying a playboy and then trying to get money out of them claiming its their fault you now have tennis elbow...
#48
03-11-2009
From K&N:
"ENGINE PROTECTION LIMITED WARRANTY
Unlike many companies, our warranty for O/E replacement air filters and intake systems does extend beyond the replacement of a defective K&N part. For the original purchaser of the product, our warranty covers any engine damage or related costs incurred as a direct result of the use of a properly installed and maintained K&N O/E replacement air filter or intake system on the specific vehicle for which the product was designed to be used by K&N. This includes reasonable vehicle repair costs, sensor replacements, car rental fees or other incidental expenses directly related to an engine problem caused by the failure of a K&N product. Furthermore, we warrant that using our product will not result in a vehicle warranty denial. K&N will not be responsible for any indirect, consequential, special, contingent, or other damages not listed above.
We will promptly reimburse the consumer for the cost of the repair if a service provider denies warranty coverage as a result of a K&N product or claims that a K&N product has caused harm to your engine or vehicle. In order to receive reimbursement, we require each of the following:
The consumer must provide a written statement or repair order from the dealership or service provider in which the dealership or service provider blames the problem or warranty denial on a K&N product;
The service provider or consumer must provide K&N with all allegedly damaged parts. Many states have laws that require a service provider to retain all parts replaced during a vehicle repair, unless given consent to dispose of the parts by the consumer. K&N will pay the shipping cost to recover these parts; and
The consumer must provide proof of purchase of the K&N product along with cooperation in helping us investigate the claim.
Once these steps have been completed, K&N will contact the service provider and collect evidence to support their claim. In the event we are not provided with sufficient evidence, we reserve the right to reject the claim and will use our best efforts to assist in establishing your rights toward the service provider under warranty or other provisions.
We strive to exceed consumer expectations. Customer service can be reached at 1-800-858-3333."
"ENGINE PROTECTION LIMITED WARRANTY
Unlike many companies, our warranty for O/E replacement air filters and intake systems does extend beyond the replacement of a defective K&N part. For the original purchaser of the product, our warranty covers any engine damage or related costs incurred as a direct result of the use of a properly installed and maintained K&N O/E replacement air filter or intake system on the specific vehicle for which the product was designed to be used by K&N. This includes reasonable vehicle repair costs, sensor replacements, car rental fees or other incidental expenses directly related to an engine problem caused by the failure of a K&N product. Furthermore, we warrant that using our product will not result in a vehicle warranty denial. K&N will not be responsible for any indirect, consequential, special, contingent, or other damages not listed above.
We will promptly reimburse the consumer for the cost of the repair if a service provider denies warranty coverage as a result of a K&N product or claims that a K&N product has caused harm to your engine or vehicle. In order to receive reimbursement, we require each of the following:
The consumer must provide a written statement or repair order from the dealership or service provider in which the dealership or service provider blames the problem or warranty denial on a K&N product;
The service provider or consumer must provide K&N with all allegedly damaged parts. Many states have laws that require a service provider to retain all parts replaced during a vehicle repair, unless given consent to dispose of the parts by the consumer. K&N will pay the shipping cost to recover these parts; and
The consumer must provide proof of purchase of the K&N product along with cooperation in helping us investigate the claim.
Once these steps have been completed, K&N will contact the service provider and collect evidence to support their claim. In the event we are not provided with sufficient evidence, we reserve the right to reject the claim and will use our best efforts to assist in establishing your rights toward the service provider under warranty or other provisions.
We strive to exceed consumer expectations. Customer service can be reached at 1-800-858-3333."
#49
03-11-2009
why should motorcraft assume responsibilty? if you're beating on your truck, offroad (where it shouldnt be) according to them, they'll most likely say its not their products fault and assume no responsibility.
thats kinda like buying a playboy and then trying to get money out of them claiming its their fault you now have tennis elbow...
thats kinda like buying a playboy and then trying to get money out of them claiming its their fault you now have tennis elbow...
Or perhaps graniteguy's original statement was just trying to point out the hypocrisy of worrying about a company policy that may be standard practice used by other manufacturers?
