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But again, it's not necessarily going to help here since he's not putting high steer on the D30.

And, I can turn them fine with the stock pump on my D44 with 35's.

The problem with longer arms is it will take more turns of the steering wheel to turn the wheels. That's a definite consideration to regard as well. You don't get something for nothing and if you give yourself more moment with a longer arm, you will have to travel more distance on the circumference of the "circle" to get the same angle change in the wheels.
i would be willing to sacrifice for easier steering while sitting still and on the trail
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I have no problem turning my 15" wide tires when not moving. I really do think high steer will help out due to the physical changes in points of force and leverage.
i think so too. if you look at my setup the drag link goes into the tie rod which the tie rod twists as you turn which i have said to others all along is not a good idea or good thing to have. i have also noticed my DOM on the drag link will bow. again all issues with my current setup which is all being replaced in 2.5 months when school is out for the summer. why i choose a D30 at first i have no idea... guess i didnt have the knowledge to mount brackets to axles like i do now...

now in this thread i am really just wanting pump information and trying to figure out if i have enough flow to power a ram assist.
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Well Zach I'll let you know how our pump powers the ram assist as I should have mine up and running by weeks end.
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It looks EXACTLY like the Ranger pump. You're seeing (as I did at first) the mounting bracket which completely surrounds it and looks like it's the pump housing or something -- it's not. Have another look and you'll see what I mean.
the 3.0 and 4.0 sohc pumps are different. The 4.0 sohc pump mounts inside the driver side accessory bracket up top.

this is the best picture i could find of the pump:




and where it is located on the engine:

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Interesting. So you're saying there's a completely different pump in there? Considering how maligned the C2 is by some (particularly for the fact that it's always been a noisy design), you'd think that would be a good thing.
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Well Zach I'll let you know how our pump powers the ram assist as I should have mine up and running by weeks end.
awesome i am very interested. pics!
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the 3.0 and 4.0 sohc pumps are different. The 4.0 sohc pump mounts inside the driver side accessory bracket up top.

this is the best picture i could find of the pump:




and where it is located on the engine:

thanks for the pictures nick but that first picture isnt a ranger is it?
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thanks for the pictures nick but that first picture isnt a ranger is it?
no, that is a mustang, but its the exact same pump as the rangers.
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Sorry I did'nt get back sooner. I'm at home and sick..

Gearhead61 put into terms a bit better than I did. It's all simple math really. The longer a lever then better advantage you have.

Another possibility and one that might be easier is to just simply speed up the stock pump. (IF a smaller pulley can be put on that is)
And if one will fit you might entertain a PS fluid cooler. Just find a OEM stock piece that will fit and mount it in front of the rad. It won't take much at all.

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i know this is way off topic but i found this while searching for pressure specs.

its a "Ranger GT" with a 2.3L

http://www.victorynissanmechanicsvil...Ford-Ranger-GT

anyway lol

as soon as i can get to my alldata dvd i'll look up the factory specs for you zach
their was a Ranger GT in the late 80s, but it had the 2.9.
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Sorry I did'nt get back sooner. I'm at home and sick..

Gearhead61 put into terms a bit better than I did. It's all simple math really. The longer a lever then better advantage you have.

Another possibility and one that might be easier is to just simply speed up the stock pump. (IF a smaller pulley can be put on that is)
And if one will fit you might entertain a PS fluid cooler. Just find a OEM stock piece that will fit and mount it in front of the rad. It won't take much at all.

Rich

everyone is getting sick here lately!

A smaller pulley might be worth a shot! good idea. I have a suspicion about my return line i put on 2 weeks ago. it might be twisted up a bit slowing flow, so this weekend i am going to check that and put on a new pressure line.

I think Wayne might be able to hook me up with a smaller pulley.
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Here you go guys, specifications on the CIII power steering pump which is what the 4.0L have not sure about 3.0, if its CII I have the specs for that too. Thanks to NicksterSVT

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those are pretty good numbers.....i would doubt the Yota steering box requires more than that.....if anything it might require more flow...
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those are pretty good numbers.....i would doubt the Yota steering box requires more than that.....if anything it might require more flow...
PER PSC Motorsports....

These pumps are ported to put out 1600 psi and 4.5 gpm. Pump has #6 JIC male on pressure port and #10 JIC fitting on suction side.

This pump requires a remote reservoir and AN #6 pressure hose kit.

That is the yota pump with some performance added.
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wow......i didn't realize that the Yota pumps put out so much pressure.....

i don't see why you should need that much to turn the Dana 30, even with the larger tires on it......
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After looking at almost all the PSC pumps they are boosting them to 1600psi and 4.5gpm to run hydro assist or full hydro setups.

So in all reality our pumps just dont put the numbers out. it does not have to do with just the D30... Mine probably steers similar to the other trucks with solid axles. I'm just complaining about it because I want it better.

Unfortunately looks like you would need to put some type of idler where the pump is now and make a new bracket and mount a different unit else where.

I would love to get that yota pump on there.
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what kind of numbers does the 4.0 OHV pump put out? i think they are different than the 4.0 SOHC pumps...
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I am not sure... if its the CII pump then not much different. I will have to ask Nick to look it up but i doubt it will bolt up anyway.
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Here AGR makes a performance pump for 97 and earlier rangers. cost is about 255.

"The AGR Ford Super Pump develops 1500 psi and will flow 4 - GPM, a substantial increase over OEM specifications. The AGR Ford Super Pump provides increased turning force and improved steering reaction. The increased flow and pressure also eliminates the loss of power assist when braking on Hydro-Boost brake equipped vehicles."

http://www.agrperformance.com/produc...rd&model=10008


btw its no where near the same design.
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Found this on Fords website

"CIII Power Steering Pump
The CIII is a belt-driven, vane-type pump used on newer Ford, Lincoln and Mercury cars and trucks. Smaller and lighter vehicles use the low-displacement cam inserts while heavier vehicles use the high-displacement cam inserts. An identification tag is attached to the housing that indicates the basic production and part number."

I need to see if the Ranger has the high-displacement cam inserts.
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Why is mine okay then?
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these early bronco guys say the CIII steering pump is better than some of the saginaw pumps. They are using the CIII off an explorer...

http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94366

I think the key is the cam, which ever one the ranger has. some are saying even superduties run the CII and CIII pump.
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Why is mine okay then?
i dont know that for sure yet. i am assuming it has to do with my lines and my drag link angle.

still trying to figure that out
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more info im going to add

# Control Valve Actuator, Power Steering

* The power steering control valve actuator (3783) is located on the steering pump below the engine on the LH side.
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* The power steering control valve actuator generates a differential pressure, dependent on flow and current input.
* -This differential pressure is used to control the spool valve in the CIII power steering pump.
* -The power steering control valve actuator/spool valve regulates the hydraulic flow and when combined with a current controlling device, yields a variable assist power steering pump (3A674).

I am going to make sure this is plugged in on mine... who knows maybe the wire/plug got damaged.
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