1995 Gauge Cluster in '03 EDGE Ranger
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1995 Gauge Cluster in '03 EDGE Ranger
I am in the process of trying to determine which way I should go with my new Gauge Cluster Design.
I have three way to proceed:
One being OEM all the way; it works, does what it is suppose to... why change !
The second way is to redesign the existing dash, add in some aftermarket gauges but keep the basic configuration; a lot of wiring needs to be added..., will the added gauges work with the overall system, can I make it work and will it look good enough !
And third, my last way, use a Gauge Cluster that has only the Speed-O, and two smaller two in one gauges, one on each side; this works with wiring changes, and should look ok... I can even run an external, dash mounted tachometer if I want one. No extra wires but I said but there is a wiring problem; some of the wires are in different positions and the main connector to the Cluster needs to be rewired.
It is method number three that I need assistance with, I have talked through messaging with RonD, his thought was to Post a new Thread asking the same question..., I want to install the '95 Speed-O only Gauge Cluster in my '03 EDGE so here is the question:
RonD, I am asking on the forum, for you to peer into your knowledge base, and to placate you a little, I know it is vast,
"What wires in the '03 Speed-O and Tach, Gauge Cluster Connector need to be rewired, to use the '95 Speed-O Only, Gauge Cluster in its place" ?
I hope that question is stated well enough for the site to understand.
I want to thank RonD and the Site ahead of time for the information that evades me when looking at schematics of my '03 Cluster.
Thx / Ltr
p.s.
- The '95 Cluster came out of a 2WD Model, with no accessories to speak of, a Commercial Vehicle, I never did look at what it had, just wanted the cluster.
- I do not need the 4x indicators in the dash cluster, I want to use separate indicators external to the Cluster; the wires for these can be indicated but not used in the main wiring connector.
- Anything else, I am working on it, any questions, please ask !
- Should I get a new Cluster Connector and transfer the wires ?
I have three way to proceed:
One being OEM all the way; it works, does what it is suppose to... why change !
The second way is to redesign the existing dash, add in some aftermarket gauges but keep the basic configuration; a lot of wiring needs to be added..., will the added gauges work with the overall system, can I make it work and will it look good enough !
And third, my last way, use a Gauge Cluster that has only the Speed-O, and two smaller two in one gauges, one on each side; this works with wiring changes, and should look ok... I can even run an external, dash mounted tachometer if I want one. No extra wires but I said but there is a wiring problem; some of the wires are in different positions and the main connector to the Cluster needs to be rewired.
It is method number three that I need assistance with, I have talked through messaging with RonD, his thought was to Post a new Thread asking the same question..., I want to install the '95 Speed-O only Gauge Cluster in my '03 EDGE so here is the question:
RonD, I am asking on the forum, for you to peer into your knowledge base, and to placate you a little, I know it is vast,
"What wires in the '03 Speed-O and Tach, Gauge Cluster Connector need to be rewired, to use the '95 Speed-O Only, Gauge Cluster in its place" ?
I hope that question is stated well enough for the site to understand.
I want to thank RonD and the Site ahead of time for the information that evades me when looking at schematics of my '03 Cluster.
Thx / Ltr
p.s.
- The '95 Cluster came out of a 2WD Model, with no accessories to speak of, a Commercial Vehicle, I never did look at what it had, just wanted the cluster.
- I do not need the 4x indicators in the dash cluster, I want to use separate indicators external to the Cluster; the wires for these can be indicated but not used in the main wiring connector.
- Anything else, I am working on it, any questions, please ask !
- Should I get a new Cluster Connector and transfer the wires ?
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Here are the wiring diagrams for both
1995 won't have much from engine computer
Most of the wiring is warning lights
Must haves are oil, temp and fuel, and Battery Light(turns alternator on and off)
Also Speed wire, in 2003 it was pin 1 on center connector and pin 12 on 1995 same connector, both used grey/black wire
And the yellow/white wire is the fuel level, which was also 1 and 12, so just reverse these two wires positions
1998-2000 would be closer match, lol, but it will work, just takes the time to match the wires and pins
1995 won't have much from engine computer
Most of the wiring is warning lights
Must haves are oil, temp and fuel, and Battery Light(turns alternator on and off)
Also Speed wire, in 2003 it was pin 1 on center connector and pin 12 on 1995 same connector, both used grey/black wire
And the yellow/white wire is the fuel level, which was also 1 and 12, so just reverse these two wires positions
1998-2000 would be closer match, lol, but it will work, just takes the time to match the wires and pins
Last edited by RonD; 03-15-2019 at 11:54 AM.
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Thanks Ron,
I downloaded them and will check them out as soon as I can confirm the 2000 Cluster thing.
I can remember when I built a custom dash for my '88 STX, I added a resistor to the light socket, it did the same thing as the bulb, but you lose the bulb.
Thanks for the assist.
the info from the Web sometimes gives you the data they want you to know about the part being sold... I'm hoping for a good plug and play setup.
Thanks again / Ltr
I downloaded them and will check them out as soon as I can confirm the 2000 Cluster thing.
I can remember when I built a custom dash for my '88 STX, I added a resistor to the light socket, it did the same thing as the bulb, but you lose the bulb.
Thanks for the assist.
the info from the Web sometimes gives you the data they want you to know about the part being sold... I'm hoping for a good plug and play setup.
Thanks again / Ltr
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Thanks Ron.
I took a look at my Speed-O Only Cluster and got some numbers that do not make sense.
There was only one tag, that seems to say that this cluster isn't a '95 but maybe a '99 and for a CA Vehicle.
The truck it cam out of was already stripped, nose gone and I didn't look at the body tag, the JY Owner told me it was a '95 !
Do you have any way or know of a site, where I can determine by a part number what year this might actually be ?
If you have a way here are my findings:
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PN: 150 BASE MPH
XL 5F 10849-CA
31 AUG 1998 24:45:03
PN-150 11,'99 CA
There is a Bar Code with a number under it:
2CHA 153 B06
Funny, nowhere does it have any dates that would indicate a '95 Cluster.
I will look around the Web and see what I can determine.
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Thanks for the help !
I took a look at my Speed-O Only Cluster and got some numbers that do not make sense.
There was only one tag, that seems to say that this cluster isn't a '95 but maybe a '99 and for a CA Vehicle.
The truck it cam out of was already stripped, nose gone and I didn't look at the body tag, the JY Owner told me it was a '95 !
Do you have any way or know of a site, where I can determine by a part number what year this might actually be ?
If you have a way here are my findings:
------------------------------------
PN: 150 BASE MPH
XL 5F 10849-CA
31 AUG 1998 24:45:03
PN-150 11,'99 CA
There is a Bar Code with a number under it:
2CHA 153 B06
Funny, nowhere does it have any dates that would indicate a '95 Cluster.
I will look around the Web and see what I can determine.
------------------------------------
Thanks for the help !
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So I have my newer Cluster, closer to '03, maybe very similar in the wiring that is !
Next step, compare the schematics... thanks for the info.
Ltr
#9
OK, so here is where we are... with he help of RonD on this site and 410Cutom on another RF Site, we have determined the year of my Cluster is either a '99 or '00.
I will now take the Schematics for those years and my '03 to determine what the wiring looks like and what if anything need to be changes.
I know a lot of the electronics from these three years are similar, I do not know for sure and will need to review all three schematics to determine differences.
This will be a two part exercise, one to determine if there are differences and two, a learning experience to rattle this old brain.
Thanks to RonD and 410Custom for their assist so far, for I am sure I will be rattling their brain some more too !
Ltr
Oh ya almost forgot, here is the Gauge Faces I will be using.
RED Lettering and Highlights and Blue Ford and SVT... a little different !
I will now take the Schematics for those years and my '03 to determine what the wiring looks like and what if anything need to be changes.
I know a lot of the electronics from these three years are similar, I do not know for sure and will need to review all three schematics to determine differences.
This will be a two part exercise, one to determine if there are differences and two, a learning experience to rattle this old brain.
Thanks to RonD and 410Custom for their assist so far, for I am sure I will be rattling their brain some more too !
Ltr
Oh ya almost forgot, here is the Gauge Faces I will be using.
RED Lettering and Highlights and Blue Ford and SVT... a little different !
Last edited by Scrambler82; 03-16-2019 at 09:34 AM. Reason: Added Pic !
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Thanks RonD, good-go on that !
Is there an "Inertia Switch Reset indicator on the 2003" and what about the "Loose Gas Cap Indicator"... are there opposite on each of these wires ?
You did say the vehicle performance ok with out the indicators ?
I knew RonD would come through, he is always there with a lot of info.
I don't even need to review the Schematics but I will just for Grins.
Is there an "Inertia Switch Reset indicator on the 2003" and what about the "Loose Gas Cap Indicator"... are there opposite on each of these wires ?
You did say the vehicle performance ok with out the indicators ?
I knew RonD would come through, he is always there with a lot of info.
I don't even need to review the Schematics but I will just for Grins.
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I don't know the electronic side of the Ranger, I leave that to people like yourself, thank you !
OK then, I lucked out, this being a plug and play !
Now to set it up again with the new faces and setup the Odometer, and Speed-O Pointer.
Thanks RonD...!
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Thanks
When I started this project I used FX4wannabie's how-to on checking the position of the needles before taking things apart.
I wrote down the settings and will attempt to get back to there when I reassemble.
I have not looked at the odometer yet, are the gears open enough to see when doing an odometer reset ?
I will let the site know how that gosh dn if the How-To works or not.
Ltr
When I started this project I used FX4wannabie's how-to on checking the position of the needles before taking things apart.
I wrote down the settings and will attempt to get back to there when I reassemble.
I have not looked at the odometer yet, are the gears open enough to see when doing an odometer reset ?
I will let the site know how that gosh dn if the How-To works or not.
Ltr
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You need to pull out the odometer motor to see the worm gear
Article here: http://www.odometergears.com/documen...eplacement.pdf
You just need to look at the last two pictures
They used a plastic gear so if there was a problem that gear and not the odometer gear would suffer the damage, you can get metal worm gear replacements but...........use at your own risk, lol.
Article here: http://www.odometergears.com/documen...eplacement.pdf
You just need to look at the last two pictures
They used a plastic gear so if there was a problem that gear and not the odometer gear would suffer the damage, you can get metal worm gear replacements but...........use at your own risk, lol.
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You need to pull out the odometer motor to see the worm gear
Article here: http://www.odometergears.com/documen...eplacement.pdf
You just need to look at the last two pictures
They used a plastic gear so if there was a problem that gear and not the odometer gear would suffer the damage, you can get metal worm gear replacements but...........use at your own risk, lol.
Article here: http://www.odometergears.com/documen...eplacement.pdf
You just need to look at the last two pictures
They used a plastic gear so if there was a problem that gear and not the odometer gear would suffer the damage, you can get metal worm gear replacements but...........use at your own risk, lol.
Wondering if you know if the any of the parts from my "03 will fit the earlier Cluster.
I'm thinking my Odometer has less than 100K on it and might be in better shape, also thinking of just swapping my odometer over the the other cluster.
ltr
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RonD,
Was looking a the Schematics, although the connections appear to go to the same functions on both the 2000 and the 2003, some of the designators (numbered points) are different.
It has been a while since I worked schematics but does that matter, I am assuming not but thought I would ask.
Thanks
Was looking a the Schematics, although the connections appear to go to the same functions on both the 2000 and the 2003, some of the designators (numbered points) are different.
It has been a while since I worked schematics but does that matter, I am assuming not but thought I would ask.
Thanks
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If you are referring to the devices connector numbering then no, that shouldn't matter as long as its the same device controlling the cluster's light or signal
Do you have an example?
The fuses and grounds will all be different numbing of course, but as long as they are 12volts and grounds on the correct cluster terminals cluster won't care
Do you have an example?
The fuses and grounds will all be different numbing of course, but as long as they are 12volts and grounds on the correct cluster terminals cluster won't care
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If you are referring to the devices connector numbering then no, that shouldn't matter as long as its the same device controlling the cluster's light or signal
Do you have an example?
The fuses and grounds will all be different numbing of course, but as long as they are 12volts and grounds on the correct cluster terminals cluster won't care
Do you have an example?
The fuses and grounds will all be different numbing of course, but as long as they are 12volts and grounds on the correct cluster terminals cluster won't care
I will clean things up, check on the things you mentioned and either reset the odometer or use my '03 Unit.
Then Plug it in and see what happens.
Will need to run the engine to operating temps to get the pointers setup.
Thanks for the help !
#23
These look sick! I look forward to this being finished!
I'm still in love with my silver-faced gauges myself. They look like the older Auto Meter Phantom gauges
#24
As far as getting it done, I have the Odometer to deal without sure if I should change the existing one or swap my '03 in, and still wondering about the '03 Parts in this housing, i.e. gauge motors.
Also, still need some Buggman's LED Lighting or another one of the Man's Specialized LEDs.
So, the "Procrastinator Extraordinaire" still needs time, but this is the project that is taking priority right now; at least until my "ADD" kicks in and I see something else that needs doing.
Ltr
#25
Got the lighting figured out.
The 4-Cree LEDs in six OEM positions in the Cluster might not work, waiting to hear from The Buggman, too much light directed forward.
The LED Strip around the EDGE did light the Cluster more evenly but I do not have a picture of it lighted.
There are 11 indicator Lights that need LED Bulbs (Buggman) and there is one "Thief" Bulb but that is already LED... that leave three unused indicator locations, all with OEM Mounting... thinking indicator lights for add-on accessories.
I still need to address the Odometer reset, or Swap; then clean it up and put it together.
Ltr
The 4-Cree LEDs in six OEM positions in the Cluster might not work, waiting to hear from The Buggman, too much light directed forward.
The LED Strip around the EDGE did light the Cluster more evenly but I do not have a picture of it lighted.
There are 11 indicator Lights that need LED Bulbs (Buggman) and there is one "Thief" Bulb but that is already LED... that leave three unused indicator locations, all with OEM Mounting... thinking indicator lights for add-on accessories.
I still need to address the Odometer reset, or Swap; then clean it up and put it together.
Ltr