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Please allow me to introduce myself. I am Steve Davidson and I am Passionate about what I drive. I'm a certified Ford tech and service writer, and a former Professional 18 wheeler driver. I am on my 2nd Ford Ranger and have done some mods to it. I have a 2004 Ford Ranger Edge with a 3.0 V6 Gasoline engine with a 5 speed Manual Transmission and 4.10 rear gears. The Mods that I have done to my truck are as follows: Terminator muffler (single 3 inch inlet and Dual 2.5 inch oulets) 6 inches behind cab no resonator, no pipes nothing on the muffler, Tornado Fuelsaver inside factory air intake system, K&N's stock replacement air filter. I plan on swaping the V6 for a 4.6 liter Dual overhead cam (crane cams, rough idle of course) engine with flat tappet camshafts and Roller Rocker Valves custom turbo charging by a killer engine builder, oh check these guys out www.nelsonracingengines.com . They do have a twin turbocharged V6 pushing 1200 horses to the wheels! go to the video section and choose test drive NRE TV Dyno they also have must see NRE TV. These guys are really good at what they do and are passionate about trying new things. and yes they love building engines.
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welcome to the forums you fit in nice here lol
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Terminator muffler (single 3 inch inlet and Dual 2.5 inch oulets) 6 inches behind cab no resonator, no pipes nothing on the muffler, Tornado Fuelsaver inside factory air intake system, K&N's stock replacement air filter.
Your piping is way to big for a V6, let alone the 3.0, and please tell me that you don't actually have a tornado fuel saver in your vehicle...

Welcome to the site, read up on what I have said, we have a lot of good info on here for you...
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......Tornado Fuelsaver inside factory air intake system.......
This is nothing to be proud of!!!!

Welcome to R-F Steve!!
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Thanks to all who welcomed me. The exhaust bit worked too well in fact. My streo is useless even at Full blast. The Tornado thing I thought I'd be getting rid of it within a week. But to my surprise(shock would be more like it) it did what it claimed. Still can't believe it.
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For the record this is my 2nd Ranger. I like this one better. I'd better have it back from the shop Monday intact as it went in. The Clutch, Throwout Bearing, and Flexplate were melted together due to a bad Slave cylinder. And the Flexplate needed to be machined/ replaced. They Have had it for a week and I'm suffering from withdrawl symptoms.
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Thanks to all who welcomed me. The exhaust bit worked too well in fact. My streo is useless even at Full blast. The Tornado thing I thought I'd be getting rid of it within a week. But to my surprise(shock would be more like it) it did what it claimed. Still can't believe it.

I can't either!!
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Thanks to all who welcomed me. The exhaust bit worked too well in fact. My streo is useless even at Full blast. The Tornado thing I thought I'd be getting rid of it within a week. But to my surprise(shock would be more like it) it did what it claimed. Still can't believe it.
If you put the Tornado in with other mods, I find it difficult to believe that it's the improvement. A long-plenum port-injected engine isn't going to see any benefit from TB swirly -- it's all gone by the time it reaches the injectors.

Furthermore, any energy used to swirl the air takes away from the energy used to move the air forward and increases pressure drop across the Tornado.

There are too many tests showing it doesn't work. If you are the tech you say you are, make some real measurements with real gear and post them here. Not calling you a liar -- just saying your the same as anyone who thinks the "butt dyno" or a few test runs under different conditions than previous ones actually says anything.

Regardless, I know that sounds harsh, but frankly Tornado posts are a joke around here and you would have been better off not posting that!

Provided I'm not off base and this thing doesn't contain that stupid air-swirl gadget that was great for TBI and carbeurators and actually did something. If you Tornado fuel-save is a whole intake system, then obviously any better intake improves things, especially with an exhaust.

If the intake contains an air swirler -- remove it and do some testing. Bet it gets better, lol.

However: Welcome! (if it's not too late to say that, lol)...
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If you put the Tornado in with other mods, I find it difficult to believe that it's the improvement. A long-plenum port-injected engine isn't going to see any benefit from TB swirly -- it's all gone by the time it reaches the injectors.

Furthermore, any energy used to swirl the air takes away from the energy used to move the air forward and increases pressure drop across the Tornado.

There are too many tests showing it doesn't work. If you are the tech you say you are, make some real measurements with real gear and post them here. Not calling you a liar -- just saying your the same as anyone who thinks the "butt dyno" or a few test runs under different conditions than previous ones actually says anything.

Regardless, I know that sounds harsh, but frankly Tornado posts are a joke around here and you would have been better off not posting that!

Provided I'm not off base and this thing doesn't contain that stupid air-swirl gadget that was great for TBI and carbeurators and actually did something. If you Tornado fuel-save is a whole intake system, then obviously any better intake improves things, especially with an exhaust.

If the intake contains an air swirler -- remove it and do some testing. Bet it gets better, lol.

However: Welcome! (if it's not too late to say that, lol)...
WE DID. 12 HORSE GAIN. WE PUT IT IN THE AIR TUBE BEHIND THE MAF JUST BFORE IT GETS TO THE THROTTLE BODY. THE ONES THAT DID THOSE TESTS PUT IT IN THE WRONG PLACE. Thanks for welcoming me. that was the major difference.
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WE DID. 12 HORSE GAIN. WE PUT IT IN THE AIR TUBE BEHIND THE MAF JUST BFORE IT GETS TO THE THROTTLE BODY. THE ONES THAT DID THOSE TESTS PUT IT IN THE WRONG PLACE. Thanks for welcoming me. that was the major difference.
Steve, you are loosing credibility real fast!
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well im not gonna thrash you any your getting plenty o that. lol bad move on the tornado thing lol. anyways welcome to r-f im outta nc maybe sometime we can plan a meet in the middle
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well im not gonna thrash you any your getting plenty o that. lol bad move on the tornado thing lol. anyways welcome to r-f im outta nc maybe sometime we can plan a meet in the middle
U aint but about 2+ hours from me. The Tornado surprised me. I thought it would be thrown away in a couple of weeks myself but it actually does work. It may be gone though sometime in the future.
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Steve, you are loosing credibility real fast!
Hey it surprised me. It does and did work on mine. But like I said it was surprising, shock would be more like it. It will be gone soon as I can get some other crap taken care of. a V8 swap will be in the works soon. either a 289 or 4.6 liter V8 is what I'm looking at right now. Bored .0602 over, stroked with Kieth Black performance pistons, H-beam 3D Rods, 305 degree Flat Tappet Camshaft with Full Roller Rocker Valves (1:7.3 rocker ratios). Also heddman headers, Hellfire Piston rings a tremec 6 speed manual Transmission with 4.10 ratios (I have those ratios now from the factory) 30 LBS Injectors with custom intake mainfold and Throttle Bodies. That is min plans for later.
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If you put the Tornado in with other mods, I find it difficult to believe that it's the improvement. A long-plenum port-injected engine isn't going to see any benefit from TB swirly -- it's all gone by the time it reaches the injectors.

Furthermore, any energy used to swirl the air takes away from the energy used to move the air forward and increases pressure drop across the Tornado.

There are too many tests showing it doesn't work. If you are the tech you say you are, make some real measurements with real gear and post them here. Not calling you a liar -- just saying your the same as anyone who thinks the "butt dyno" or a few test runs under different conditions than previous ones actually says anything.

Regardless, I know that sounds harsh, but frankly Tornado posts are a joke around here and you would have been better off not posting that!

Provided I'm not off base and this thing doesn't contain that stupid air-swirl gadget that was great for TBI and carbeurators and actually did something. If you Tornado fuel-save is a whole intake system, then obviously any better intake improves things, especially with an exhaust.

If the intake contains an air swirler -- remove it and do some testing. Bet it gets better, lol.

However: Welcome! (if it's not too late to say that, lol)...
I try all kinds of crap. some of it went in the garbage and some lasted a little while and some I didn't bother with. Anything That boasts a fuel economy now adays I'm trying it bcause if it gets any higher we'll need ladders just to read the price per gallon.
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Thanks again to all that welcomed me. To everyone that said the tornado was a bad move, please allow me to inform u that it is nothing more than an expierament. Anything that boasts "better fuel economy" i will try it. If the fuel bill gets any higher we will all need ladders just to read the friggin price per gallon. Looking at doing a V8 swap later on. Thanks for all that welcomed me. either a 289 or a 4.6 liter is what I'm looking at. oh check out this link www.e85machines.com. they have conversion kits for rangers to run off E85 and all the info U need to know on converting to flexfuel. They even have links directly to the IRS for liscensing and they give u a huge rebate on every gallon of fuel u produce. the approx. cost per gallon is $1.25+ per gallon with the rebate. And if u are wondering E85 is rated at 116 octane (give or take). That is what Type of V8 i'm looking at. That and being able to brew ur own fuel would b sweet especially now adays.

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If you put the Tornado in with other mods, I find it difficult to believe that it's the improvement. A long-plenum port-injected engine isn't going to see any benefit from TB swirly -- it's all gone by the time it reaches the injectors.

Furthermore, any energy used to swirl the air takes away from the energy used to move the air forward and increases pressure drop across the Tornado.

There are too many tests showing it doesn't work. If you are the tech you say you are, make some real measurements with real gear and post them here. Not calling you a liar -- just saying your the same as anyone who thinks the "butt dyno" or a few test runs under different conditions than previous ones actually says anything.

Regardless, I know that sounds harsh, but frankly Tornado posts are a joke around here and you would have been better off not posting that!

Provided I'm not off base and this thing doesn't contain that stupid air-swirl gadget that was great for TBI and carbeurators and actually did something. If you Tornado fuel-save is a whole intake system, then obviously any better intake improves things, especially with an exhaust.

If the intake contains an air swirler -- remove it and do some testing. Bet it gets better, lol.

However: Welcome! (if it's not too late to say that, lol)...
Be easy dog, It's Just an expierament. V8 Flexfuel swap may be in the works but b4 U jump on E85 go to this site first: www.e85machines.com and click the info button. U'll learn everything U need to know about E85, and for the record it was only a 4 to 5 mpg gain.
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