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backpressure is the key to scavenging. no back pressure and scavenging doesn't happen b/c there is no waves going back up the exhaust to scavenge. and straight pipes are just as bad as glasspacks.
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$35 for stainless tip isn't exactly expensive.
Not just the tip dude, I'm talking the whole exhaust set up. I have used Cherry Bombs before and they sound real good. especially the turbo I, and II mufflers. They sound like their original glass packs.

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Lets start by killing the myths.

"Straight pipes rob HP"
Not true at all. I don't know who told you that, but you should club em. Cherry bombs do though.

"A little backpressure is a good thing"
Not true either. Backpressure is NEVER a good thing. Scavaging is. (where one "puff" of exhaust sucks the next "puff" out of the pipes( Much like a big air siphon))

That came from my neighbor who has been building high preformance gas and deezil engines for over 30 years. So I trust it.
He might be but you just contradicted yourself dude. After about a month at the most what do you think a Glass Pack does? It burns out and becomes a strait pipe. That's why alot of people buy them. And in the long run strait pipes fry your valves. Plus if you do run strait pipes you'll get a huge amount of "unwanted" attention from the police. Here's another thing you should know about glass packs. Take a Long Tube Cherry Bomb, grab an oxyaccetaline rosebud torch and where it says in stamped into the casing burn the insides out. reverse it and install it right off the header with nothing else. It's Demonicly Loud. I did that and ended up going to the hospital and getting my ears flushed due to my ears trying to protect themselves with excessive wax build up. loud aint the word for it. I'll never do it again either. If you want a loud aggressive deep tone check out the The Terminator by Flowtech. Single inlet and Dual outlets. Go 6 inches behind the cab and it will set off FACTORY INSTALLED CAR ALARMS. The damn thing is so deep it rattles the floor boards. and it's so loud it Drowns out Ozzy Osbourne full blast. here's the web site for them: http://www.holley.com .

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I had true duals on my 93 regular cab. 2 single in/single out Flowmaster 40's were welded together and went in the same spot as the stock muffler. He cut the exhaust pipe coming off both headers and ran 2 separate pipes all the way out.
How long did it take him to do that? and plus look at the year your ranger is too. I can't do that on mine because I have a monster of a fuel tank. 20 gallons if you're wondering. And you did mean that one side went in the stock exhaust location right? And did he use and H pipe to balance it? I wanted to do this to my ranger but I was told that I couldn't due to my fuel tank and Driveshaft locations. there's practically no room at all for that on mine. 1.5 inches to be exact.
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backpressure is the key to scavenging. no back pressure and scavenging doesn't happen b/c there is no waves going back up the exhaust to scavenge. and straight pipes are just as bad as glasspacks.
No, the right size pipe is what helps scavanging. To say backpressure is good is just silly.

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He might be but you just contradicted yourself dude. After about a month at the most what do you think a Glass Pack does? It burns out and becomes a strait pipe. That's why alot of people buy them. And in the long run strait pipes fry your valves. Plus if you do run strait pipes you'll get a huge amount of "unwanted" attention from the police. Here's another thing you should know about glass packs. Take a Long Tube Cherry Bomb, grab an oxyaccetaline rosebud torch and where it says in stamped into the casing burn the insides out. reverse it and install it right off the header with nothing else. It's Demonicly Loud. I did that and ended up going to the hospital and getting my ears flushed due to my ears trying to protect themselves with excessive wax build up. loud aint the word for it. I'll never do it again either. If you want a loud aggressive deep tone check out the The Terminator by Flowtech. Single inlet and Dual outlets. Go 6 inches behind the cab and it will set off FACTORY INSTALLED CAR ALARMS. The damn thing is so deep it rattles the floor boards. and it's so loud it Drowns out Ozzy Osbourne full blast. here's the web site for them: http://www.holley.com .
Umm a glasspack still screws with the airflow weather its burned out or not. Thats what robs HP. My truck has almost 160K on it with straight pipes since 90K. No problems as of yet.

Burning out glasspacks (BTW it's GLASSPACKS, cherry bomb is the name of a company, who also makes regular mufflers) is old news. Gas/oil, match, done. The louydest muffler I've ver heard was the single chamber flowmasters. Talk about bleeding ears.
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How long did it take him to do that? and plus look at the year your ranger is too. I can't do that on mine because I have a monster of a fuel tank. 20 gallons if you're wondering. And you did mean that one side went in the stock exhaust location right? And did he use and H pipe to balance it? I wanted to do this to my ranger but I was told that I couldn't due to my fuel tank and Driveshaft locations. there's practically no room at all for that on mine. 1.5 inches to be exact.
im one of those people with straight pipes. why are you complain about the 20gal tank i have one too and there is plenty of room you can run two pipes over to the passenger side of the truck like the factor does then work your way back the truck offsetting your mufflers and cats and have them split as they go over the axle and out the back were ever you want them. there is no way you can run it down the drivers side with the tcase and drive shaft in the front i don't understand why everyone says it so hard if you have the tools and time and the patients to figure it out it can be done. one of the trucks on here had a sound clip with just the cats and he had a custom exhaust and he was going duals down the passenger side but then he was going into a y pipe but you can defiantly make it work. just need time and patients. i haven't noticed and loss of hp or tq with only running one cat and then into a custom y pipe for duals and i have 2 to 2.25 pipe on my truck and i love the old muscle car tone with the crackling and stuff but maybe not be everyones style but its mine. if your smart you wont have to worrie about the cops. my truck is loud but in town i don't get the revs up and i putt around and keep it quiet. just be smart about it.
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How long did it take him to do that? and plus look at the year your ranger is too. I can't do that on mine because I have a monster of a fuel tank. 20 gallons if you're wondering. And you did mean that one side went in the stock exhaust location right? And did he use and H pipe to balance it? I wanted to do this to my ranger but I was told that I couldn't due to my fuel tank and Driveshaft locations. there's practically no room at all for that on mine. 1.5 inches to be exact.
He ran both pipes down the same side. The Flowmasters were welded side by side. I was only there maybe an hour to hour and half. Also realize that there were no cats. This was a regular cab and I see no reason why this couldn't be done on any Ranger from 93 to current. Considering nothing major has changed cept the front suspension.

EDIT: After looking at the setup on my 07, it's a lot easier than on my 93. The exhaust comes together into a y pipe at the transmission crossmember. Cut it off at the y pipe and run dual pipes from there.


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if your smart you wont have to worrie about the cops. my truck is loud but in town i don't get the revs up and i putt around and keep it quiet. just be smart about it.
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No, the right size pipe is what helps scavanging. To say backpressure is good is just silly.



Umm a glasspack still screws with the airflow weather its burned out or not. Thats what robs HP. My truck has almost 160K on it with straight pipes since 90K. No problems as of yet.

Burning out glasspacks (BTW it's GLASSPACKS, cherry bomb is the name of a company, who also makes regular mufflers) is old news. Gas/oil, match, done. The louydest muffler I've ver heard was the single chamber flowmasters. Talk about bleeding ears.
Ford designed their engines to help with fuel economy hence the back pressure thing. Plus I can't wait till you pull off the Valve covers and see what you've done to your valves. Plus you're really not running "true" strait pipes. Not unless you a got an O2 bypass kit and removed the Catalytic Converters. A little back pressure is better than none as far as your valves go. 1 into 2 single chambered Flowmaster (Delta Force) got me pulled over 9 times in a week. The cherry bomb almost costed me $500.00 in fines in 2 different court rooms. So yeah Cherry Bombs are demonicly loud, and you talked about being Old, The Head designer for Flowmaster has been making exhaust systems since the 60's. The very first Flowmaster came out in 1983 and then evolved into it's own company the same year. Cherry Bomb Glass Packs have been around since 68. Patroit Exhaust systems( A.K.A Smithy's) have been around since WWII. I was 8 years old when Flowmaster first came out.

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im one of those people with straight pipes. why are you complain about the 20gal tank i have one too and there is plenty of room you can run two pipes over to the passenger side of the truck like the factor does then work your way back the truck offsetting your mufflers and cats and have them split as they go over the axle and out the back were ever you want them. there is no way you can run it down the drivers side with the tcase and drive shaft in the front i don't understand why everyone says it so hard if you have the tools and time and the patients to figure it out it can be done. one of the trucks on here had a sound clip with just the cats and he had a custom exhaust and he was going duals down the passenger side but then he was going into a y pipe but you can defiantly make it work. just need time and patients. i haven't noticed and loss of hp or tq with only running one cat and then into a custom y pipe for duals and i have 2 to 2.25 pipe on my truck and i love the old muscle car tone with the crackling and stuff but maybe not be everyones style but its mine. if your smart you wont have to worrie about the cops. my truck is loud but in town i don't get the revs up and i putt around and keep it quiet. just be smart about it.
Who's Complaining? I'm not. Plus I use to have that set up. I also didn't say it couldn't be done. That's what the people I went to said. If you want it and have the time it can be done. Plus I don't really like it that loud anymore( Must be the age thing). I am not knocking the strait pipe thing at all. It's just that my state is real "strict" on the decibel thing. And on a personal note I never went back to those clowns either. The way they did exhaust systems and told people about this and that and the way they did business made me sick. I had 1 into 2 strait pipes and I miss it somewhat. Plus I have to Farm out alot of stuff since alot of my tools were stolen and I don't have alot of time to work on my truck either.
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He ran both pipes down the same side. The Flowmasters were welded side by side. I was only there maybe an hour to hour and half. Also realize that there were no cats. This was a regular cab and I see no reason why this couldn't be done on any Ranger from 93 to current. Considering nothing major has changed cept the front suspension.

EDIT: After looking at the setup on my 07, it's a lot easier than on my 93. The exhaust comes together into a y pipe at the transmission crossmember. Cut it off at the y pipe and run dual pipes from there.

Thanks dude. That was helpfull. But I got it the way I want it for now. Stay tuned though I'm doing an engine swap and turboing it when I get it paid for. The thread is called an evil Idea. It's in the Forced Induction and N2O section.
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Ford designed their engines to help with fuel economy hence the back pressure thing. Plus I can't wait till you pull off the Valve covers and see what you've done to your valves. Plus you're really not running "true" strait pipes. Not unless you a got an O2 bypass kit and removed the Catalytic Converters. A little back pressure is better than none as far as your valves go. 1 into 2 single chambered Flowmaster (Delta Force) got me pulled over 9 times in a week. The cherry bomb almost costed me $500.00 in fines in 2 different court rooms.
It becomes clearer to me by the second that you have no clue what you are talking about.. Let me put it out there one more time.

Backpressure is not, never has been, nor ever will be a "good" thing. Learn to properly tune and exhaust and you'll be just fine.

And yes i do have true dual straight pipes, as in both converters are hollow with a 2.5" pipe running through them. My valve covers were pulled about 10K ago and showed no sign of burning at all. But that can't be, because the intraweb said so....
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i have true duals with glasspacks and did not any decrease in power, maybe even an increase. i'm one of those dyno junkies that check their horsepower all the time though. i want someone to explain how glasspacked strait through design muffler can cause more of a decrease in power than "strait pipes". plus aren't you going to keep a fair amount of bp from the cats?
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It becomes clearer to me by the second that you have no clue what you are talking about.. Let me put it out there one more time.

Backpressure is not, never has been, nor ever will be a "good" thing. Learn to properly tune and exhaust and you'll be just fine.

And yes i do have true dual straight pipes, as in both converters are hollow with a 2.5" pipe running through them. My valve covers were pulled about 10K ago and showed no sign of burning at all. But that can't be, because the intraweb said so....
Ha, you are my hero. that is exactly my thoughts.
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It becomes clearer to me by the second that you have no clue what you are talking about.. Let me put it out there one more time.

Backpressure is not, never has been, nor ever will be a "good" thing. Learn to properly tune and exhaust and you'll be just fine.

And yes i do have true dual straight pipes, as in both converters are hollow with a 2.5" pipe running through them. My valve covers were pulled about 10K ago and showed no sign of burning at all. But that can't be, because the intraweb said so....
Excuse me! I think I know more about exhaust than you give me credit for. I've had several exhaust systems on my truck. So before you run someone down make sure that you know whom you're talking about. I think everyone in this forum knows more about exhaust systems than you'll ever know. So if anyone doesn't have a clue what they're talking about, it's you. Plus I live in a different state than you do. I know what I'm talking about because with strait pipe I could NOT get a state inspection sticker ANYWHERE IN THIS STATE I'M IN. At one time I was as arrogant and ignorant as you. Here's something else you should know. The fuel of today is alot weaker than yester year's gasoline. it's watered down. And soon your truck as well as everyone elses in here will be checked for emissions. The EPA will see to that. Plus you don't even know what an O2 sensor bypass kit is. It's what keeps your check engine light off due to removing or hollowing out catalytic converters.
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Here's another thing. I don't really give a damn with what people think anymore. I know what I was told by a Judge in court, the state inspection station and dealerships. They will NOT put an inspection sticker on strait pipes, and it has to be a MINIMUM 6 INCHES BEHIND THE CAB. Mine is at the very minimum and barely legal. Plus I hate back pressure. The less the better. That is what I was told by an exhaust shop (if you can call them that). I was being sarcastic. I guess it's a jealousy thing on their behalf.
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Excuse me! I think I know more about exhaust than you give me credit for. I've had several exhaust systems on my truck. So before you run someone down make sure that you know whom you're talking about. I think everyone in this forum knows more about exhaust systems than you'll ever know. So if anyone doesn't have a clue what they're talking about, it's you. Plus I live in a different state than you do. I know what I'm talking about because with strait pipe I could NOT get a state inspection sticker ANYWHERE IN THIS STATE I'M IN. At one time I was as arrogant and ignorant as you. Here's something else you should know. The fuel of today is alot weaker than yester year's gasoline. it's watered down. And soon your truck as well as everyone elses in here will be checked for emissions. The EPA will see to that. Plus you don't even know what an O2 sensor bypass kit is. It's what keeps your check engine light off due to removing or hollowing out catalytic converters.
Okay so now you're changing your story. We are talking about POWER, not legality. You said it would rob power, it wont. Bottom line, you were wrong. Man up and admit it.

I have people in the know, so I can get my **** inspected no matter what. They know I'm not an idiot about it, so they dont care. I dont do 6k shifts, burnouts or need to impress the jr high girls at the mall. I drive with my head and they respect that.

Your obviously so smart as to not know that a 94 f-150 doesn't need an O2 bypass kit because the 1 O2 sensor is before either cat.

Seems like you have not a clue what it going on, and type some random crap you find off google.

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Here's another thing. I don't really give a damn with what people think anymore. I know what I was told by a Judge in court, the state inspection station and dealerships. They will NOT put an inspection sticker on strait pipes, and it has to be a MINIMUM 6 INCHES BEHIND THE CAB. Mine is at the very minimum and barely legal. Plus I hate back pressure. The less the better. That is what I was told by an exhaust shop (if you can call them that). I was being sarcastic. I guess it's a jealousy thing on their behalf.

For real how old are you? 12? "jealousy"? It's called a law, you have to abide by it, again, thats not what this thread was about. Eveyone is always being sarcastic when they get called out spouting BS.
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Okay so now you're changing your story. We are talking about POWER, not legality. You said it would rob power, it wont. Bottom line, you were wrong. Man up and admit it.

I have people in the know, so I can get my **** inspected no matter what. They know I'm not an idiot about it, so they dont care. I dont do 6k shifts, burnouts or need to impress the jr high girls at the mall. I drive with my head and they respect that.

Your obviously so smart as to not know that a 94 f-150 doesn't need an O2 bypass kit because the 1 O2 sensor is before either cat.

Seems like you have not a clue what it going on, and type some random crap you find off google.




For real how old are you? 12? "jealousy"? It's called a law, you have to abide by it, again, thats not what this thread was about. Eveyone is always being sarcastic when they get called out spouting BS.
I was wrong ok. I am not 12 and I hate google. Look under my real name dude. It tells my age. I was talking about the shop I went to. How old are you any way? I don't look at junior High girls because I'm old enough to be their dad. Anyway any body want some pics of my ride? email me at: [email protected] . I do have some photos of my exhaust and pretty much what it looks like now. It won't be the same after it's completed. No harm no foul done dude. This is considered water under the bridge dude if you let it go. And for the record I didn't put this in the earlier post but should've. I had strait pipes but went to a 3.0 inch pipe. That is why I lost power and MPG's. Sorry about that. It should be ok if you don't go to a larger pipe. In fact I'd go smaller myself for better scavenging.
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I was wrong ok. I am not 12 and I hate google. Look under my real name dude. It tells my age. I was talking about the shop I went to. How old are you any way? I don't look at junior High girls because I'm old enough to be their dad. Anyway any body want some pics of my ride? email me at: [email protected] . I do have some photos of my exhaust and pretty much what it looks like now. It won't be the same after it's completed. No harm no foul done dude. This is considered water under the bridge dude if you let it go. And for the record I didn't put this in the earlier post but should've. I had strait pipes but went to a 3.0 inch pipe. That is why I lost power and MPG's. Sorry about that. It should be ok if you don't go to a larger pipe. In fact I'd go smaller myself for better scavenging.
Obviously old enough to know when someone is backpeddling. Whatever, water under the bridge.
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Obviously old enough to know when someone is backpeddling. Whatever, water under the bridge.
Nope. I aint backpeddling. Just trying to be the better man first and also wanting to keep the peace among us. How do you insert photos in here? I'm confused on how to do that. I got the batteries charged on the digital camera and bought a memory card yesterday. I also took about 13 pics of my truck yesterday.
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Here's why I don't have strait pipes anymore. I wasn't in town or anything and I was in a good mood and I didn't see the cop that was hiding behind some bushes. It always the one you don't see that gets you if ya know what I mean. Judge threw it out due to entrapment on one condition and that was to change my exhaust. so I agreed to. I was out on a county road about 20+ miles from town. Damn it I say.
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That is how I have mine set up for now.

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Oh not true duals with 2 mufflers, the Rangers don't have enough room.
Sure it does. Theres PLEANTY of room for dual cans between the tranny X-member and the axle. The ONLY issue is cash to replace the y-pipe up front and emissions readings for O2/OBDII.
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Sure it does. Theres PLEANTY of room for dual cans between the tranny X-member and the axle. The ONLY issue is cash to replace the y-pipe up front and emissions readings for O2/OBDII.
I've always heard it doesn't but I've actually tried so I wouldn't be suprised if they can.
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