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Internal slave means you can't adjust it like the old days to get the most miles from the clutch disc
Also means with new clutch disc the clutch pedal must be down to the floor, and maybe an inch farther, lol, to get full release
So any little bit of air in the system is a major headache, over time as disc wears down its less of an issue
As disc gets thinner pedal disengage/engage moves farther up on the clutch pedal until its at the top of pedal so disc starts to slip
In the old days with external slave you could adjust it so pedal travel disengage/engage was in the lower middle, and then adjust it more as disc wore out
Self adjusting pressure plate does that for you, keeps pedal travel at the same place as disc wears down
I think self adjusting setup may have a slightly thicker clutch disc as well, because it can be adjusted, so lasts a bit longer.
I normally do my own clutches, but, I am getting older so last clutch was done by local shop, they had done other work for me and they are good guys
I asked for self adjusting setup because I wasn't sure what was in there now.
They put in "factory" non-self adjusting pressure plate because it was "stock".
They/we spent the next week trying to get system bled so I didn't have to shut off the engine to put it into 1st when stopped, lol
They ended up pulling trans and putting in self adjusting pressure plate, which worked fine, they also reversed my O2 sensors, another story, lol.
I told them I didn't care if the non-self adjusting pressure plate stayed in there, it was less money, but I did want it to work, i.e. being able to shift into 1st while stopped
Also means with new clutch disc the clutch pedal must be down to the floor, and maybe an inch farther, lol, to get full release
So any little bit of air in the system is a major headache, over time as disc wears down its less of an issue
As disc gets thinner pedal disengage/engage moves farther up on the clutch pedal until its at the top of pedal so disc starts to slip
In the old days with external slave you could adjust it so pedal travel disengage/engage was in the lower middle, and then adjust it more as disc wore out
Self adjusting pressure plate does that for you, keeps pedal travel at the same place as disc wears down
I think self adjusting setup may have a slightly thicker clutch disc as well, because it can be adjusted, so lasts a bit longer.
I normally do my own clutches, but, I am getting older so last clutch was done by local shop, they had done other work for me and they are good guys
I asked for self adjusting setup because I wasn't sure what was in there now.
They put in "factory" non-self adjusting pressure plate because it was "stock".
They/we spent the next week trying to get system bled so I didn't have to shut off the engine to put it into 1st when stopped, lol
They ended up pulling trans and putting in self adjusting pressure plate, which worked fine, they also reversed my O2 sensors, another story, lol.
I told them I didn't care if the non-self adjusting pressure plate stayed in there, it was less money, but I did want it to work, i.e. being able to shift into 1st while stopped
Last edited by RonD; 10-23-2018 at 11:13 AM.
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Internal slave means you can't adjust it like the old days to get the most miles from the clutch disc
Also means with new clutch disc the clutch pedal must be down to the floor, and maybe an inch farther, lol, to get full release
So any little bit of air in the system is a major headache, over time as disc wears down its less of an issue
As disc gets thinner pedal disengage/engage moves farther up on the clutch pedal until its at the top of pedal so disc starts to slip
In the old days with external slave you could adjust it so pedal travel disengage/engage was in the lower middle, and then adjust it more as disc wore out
Self adjusting pressure plate does that for you, keeps pedal travel at the same place as disc wears down
I think self adjusting setup may have a slightly thicker clutch disc as well, because it can be adjusted, so lasts a bit longer.
I normally do my own clutches, but, I am getting older so last clutch was done by local shop, they had done other work for me and they are good guys
I asked for self adjusting setup because I wasn't sure what was in there now.
They put in "factory" non-self adjusting pressure plate because it was "stock".
They/we spent the next week trying to get system bled so I didn't have to shut off the engine to put it into 1st when stopped, lol
They ended up pulling trans and putting in self adjusting pressure plate, which worked fine, they also reversed my O2 sensors, another story, lol.
I told them I didn't care if the non-self adjusting pressure plate stayed in there, it was less money, but I did want it to work, i.e. being able to shift into 1st while stopped
Also means with new clutch disc the clutch pedal must be down to the floor, and maybe an inch farther, lol, to get full release
So any little bit of air in the system is a major headache, over time as disc wears down its less of an issue
As disc gets thinner pedal disengage/engage moves farther up on the clutch pedal until its at the top of pedal so disc starts to slip
In the old days with external slave you could adjust it so pedal travel disengage/engage was in the lower middle, and then adjust it more as disc wore out
Self adjusting pressure plate does that for you, keeps pedal travel at the same place as disc wears down
I think self adjusting setup may have a slightly thicker clutch disc as well, because it can be adjusted, so lasts a bit longer.
I normally do my own clutches, but, I am getting older so last clutch was done by local shop, they had done other work for me and they are good guys
I asked for self adjusting setup because I wasn't sure what was in there now.
They put in "factory" non-self adjusting pressure plate because it was "stock".
They/we spent the next week trying to get system bled so I didn't have to shut off the engine to put it into 1st when stopped, lol
They ended up pulling trans and putting in self adjusting pressure plate, which worked fine, they also reversed my O2 sensors, another story, lol.
I told them I didn't care if the non-self adjusting pressure plate stayed in there, it was less money, but I did want it to work, i.e. being able to shift into 1st while stopped
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Stage 2 Clutch will definitely be fine for what you do since you have the beater car. Jacob went with a dual friction this last time around since he also never drives his truck. I had to stick with a self adjuster since I daily mine 40 miles round trip. I couldn't imagine doing the daily thing with a stage 2 clutch. lol.
#31
Stage 2 Clutch will definitely be fine for what you do since you have the beater car. Jacob went with a dual friction this last time around since he also never drives his truck. I had to stick with a self adjuster since I daily mine 40 miles round trip. I couldn't imagine doing the daily thing with a stage 2 clutch. lol.
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Not true, in my opinion, being older, I spent most of my driving years with external adjusting clutches, linkage, cable and hydraulic styles
In cars it wasn't a big deal but still one more thing to deal with along with Points and Carb adjustments, which I also hated, don't get me wrong I loved to tune an engine, when I WANTED TO, not when I HAD TO, lol.
In trucks, especially if you were off-road much, you would get damaged linkages, or broken linkages, broken spring holding linkage, ect....................
I have to say I have never had an issue with an internal clutch system, off road or on
Just lucky I guess
But I do understand people wanting "adjustable" everything, and there is no reason not to have what you want, but to say it is the "right way" or "better way" is not true for all people
Except for fuel injection, distributorless ignition systems and self adjusting clutches, which is RIGHT and BEST for everyone, lol.
In cars it wasn't a big deal but still one more thing to deal with along with Points and Carb adjustments, which I also hated, don't get me wrong I loved to tune an engine, when I WANTED TO, not when I HAD TO, lol.
In trucks, especially if you were off-road much, you would get damaged linkages, or broken linkages, broken spring holding linkage, ect....................
I have to say I have never had an issue with an internal clutch system, off road or on
Just lucky I guess
But I do understand people wanting "adjustable" everything, and there is no reason not to have what you want, but to say it is the "right way" or "better way" is not true for all people
Except for fuel injection, distributorless ignition systems and self adjusting clutches, which is RIGHT and BEST for everyone, lol.
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Not true, in my opinion, being older, I spent most of my driving years with external adjusting clutches, linkage, cable and hydraulic styles
In cars it wasn't a big deal but still one more thing to deal with along with Points and Carb adjustments, which I also hated, don't get me wrong I loved to tune an engine, when I WANTED TO, not when I HAD TO, lol.
In trucks, especially if you were off-road much, you would get damaged linkages, or broken linkages, broken spring holding linkage, ect....................
I have to say I have never had an issue with an internal clutch system, off road or on
Just lucky I guess
But I do understand people wanting "adjustable" everything, and there is no reason not to have what you want, but to say it is the "right way" or "better way" is not true for all people
Except for fuel injection, distributorless ignition systems and self adjusting clutches, which is RIGHT and BEST for everyone, lol.
In cars it wasn't a big deal but still one more thing to deal with along with Points and Carb adjustments, which I also hated, don't get me wrong I loved to tune an engine, when I WANTED TO, not when I HAD TO, lol.
In trucks, especially if you were off-road much, you would get damaged linkages, or broken linkages, broken spring holding linkage, ect....................
I have to say I have never had an issue with an internal clutch system, off road or on
Just lucky I guess
But I do understand people wanting "adjustable" everything, and there is no reason not to have what you want, but to say it is the "right way" or "better way" is not true for all people
Except for fuel injection, distributorless ignition systems and self adjusting clutches, which is RIGHT and BEST for everyone, lol.
#37
Picked this up the other day. It is a 1350 linkage but it has the long lever arm and will only require minor clearencing to work with the 1354 case. Pulled it off an 89' auto ranger. From my understanding these only came on rangers and bronco 2's with the A4LD. The rest got the short arm 1350 linkage.
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I like the look of the Hurst levers better. I got the linkage from Ford and not a junk yard so it is brand new (yes they are still floating around, just gotta look hard).
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Just a pro-tip, Loctite the threads of the bolts for the shift lever, they love to rattle loose. I got so tired of mine coming loose that I coated them in Loctite and also threw a 3/8-24 nut on the other side of each bolt to really be able to crank them down and make sure they don't come loose.