Project Budget Buster - Page 8 - Ranger-Forums - The Ultimate Ford Ranger Resource


Project Logs For detailed builds specific to the Ford Ranger, one thread per vehicle please.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #176  
Old 04-24-2013
01RangerEdge's Avatar
Scrambles the DeathDealer
iTrader: (11)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Jackson, MO
Posts: 7,598
Quote:
Originally Posted by logan03CO View Post
Yes Sir - Then once everything is installed, it's heading directly over to my local SCT certified tuner to dial everything in during a full dyno/custom tuning session.
Please post dyno results. I really want to see the differences
Reply With Quote
  #177  
Old 04-24-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by 01RangerEdge View Post
Please post dyno results. I really want to see the differences
Shouldn't be a problem - but I won't have any 'before' numbers.

Also, my tuner is anticipating a drivetrain loss as high as 33%-44% due to my tires. But no matter what - it will be a healthy increase over what it's got now!

Most people with a supercharger state they fall right about 210-225hp to the wheels for people with a 'normal' tire setup - meaing approximately 260-270ish @ the crank (assuming a 20% drivetrain loss).

After a quick evaluation of my setup, my tuner is thinking I will land right about 300-320hp at the crank (depending on final boost levels since I'm at 5,000' above sea level). Then I'll take an ***-whooping due to my tires when it comes to the wheel horsepower number. LOL

Last edited by logan03CO; 04-24-2013 at 09:01 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #178  
Old 04-24-2013
99offroadrngr's Avatar
TOYOTA
iTrader: (37)
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 11,728
awesome! where did you get the supercharger itself from?
Reply With Quote
  #179  
Old 04-25-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by 99offroadrngr View Post
where did you get the supercharger itself from?
Brand new (fully remanufactured), right from good ole' AutoZone.

I just didn't want to mess around with a random setup from Ebay or anything.
Reply With Quote
  #180  
Old 04-25-2013
99offroadrngr's Avatar
TOYOTA
iTrader: (37)
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 11,728
Quote:
Originally Posted by logan03CO View Post
Brand new (fully remanufactured), right from good ole' AutoZone.

I just didn't want to mess around with a random setup from Ebay or anything.
I didnt know they had them haha thats good to know.
Reply With Quote
  #181  
Old 04-25-2013
06RangerXLT's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halton Hills, Ont
Posts: 1,685
kojiguyfdtrgfews

had to wipe the drool off my keyboard....

FFS thats awesome.
Reply With Quote
  #182  
Old 04-25-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
8-Gallons of intake air temperature reducing 'Boost Juice' (49% methanol and 51% purified water) goodness showed up today:


And my 3.0" & 2.8" pulleys showed up today:
Attached Thumbnails
Project Budget Buster-img_20130425_175815_398_zpsbca3b39b.jpg   Project Budget Buster-img_20130425_180034_260_zpsb837f91d.jpg  

Last edited by logan03CO; 04-25-2013 at 08:29 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #183  
Old 04-25-2013
06RangerXLT's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halton Hills, Ont
Posts: 1,685
one thing i never understood is how that system works.
Reply With Quote
  #184  
Old 04-26-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
one thing i never understood is how that system works.
Here is some information I 'borrowed' from the internet that explains it better than I could:

Quote:
How it Works
:
The secret to water/methanol injection lies in its key ingredients. Methanol is a high octane fuel that is also extremely resistant to detonation. It has a tendency to absorb heat out of the air – something known as “latent heat of vaporization.” The water also absorbs heat and provides a further cooling effect as the finely atomized water/methanol mix is pumped into the engine. The cooler, denser intake charge reduces the chances of detonation even as the high-octane methanol boosts power.

What are the benefits of water/methanol injection?
1) More power: the high-octane properties of methanol, along with air cooling properties of the methanol and water, help water/methanol systems produce more power. In addition, the cooler intake temperatures allow you to run more aggressive timing and/or boost (forced induction applications) without increasing the chance of detonation.

2) Reduced chance of detonation: the lower intake charge temperatures created by the methanol and water mean less chance for engine-damaging detonation.

3) Low cost: water/methanol systems start around $300.

4) More economical for the street: water/methanol is a less expensive high-octane alternative to pure race gas for guys running high compression engines on the street.

5) Built-in engine maintenance: in some cases, the atomized water effectively steam cleans the valves, valve seats, and even the piston tops and intake, reducing carbon buildup.
Reply With Quote
  #185  
Old 04-26-2013
06RangerXLT's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halton Hills, Ont
Posts: 1,685
so, water/meth gets sprayed into the intake? My first question, is would water not harm the motor. my second is i assume its like a nos spray where you have to keep filling it up?
Reply With Quote
  #186  
Old 04-26-2013
morris's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (5)
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: South Detroit.
Posts: 7,833
In small doses its like steam and it removes carbon.
Reply With Quote
  #187  
Old 04-26-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
so, water/meth gets sprayed into the intake?
Yes Sir - Right before the throttle body is the usual & desired location.

If you have to install it after the throttle body, you need a check valve installed to prevent siphoning during times when the engine is not in boost and under a vacuum.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
My first question, is would water not harm the motor.
Water/Methanol kits are injected at high pressures (above 50psig). This allows the mixture to properly atomize (aka –creates a super fine 'mist'). Lower pressures would produce larger droplets - which would cause issues with your motor.

This fine water mist is simply converted from a vapor to a gaseous state very quickly which absorbs huge amounts of heat (aka - lowering the air intake temperatures substantially). The methanol portion of the mixture provides some chemical intercooling, and provides the fuel octane increase. You have a selection of different nozzles that will vary the actual amount of injection that happens during a given time period.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
my second is i assume its like a nos spray where you have to keep filling it up?
As far as the actual refilling requirement goes – yes, they are similar. You can either use a separate tank for the mixture, or 'tap' your existing windshield reservoir tank to also provide the water/meth mixture to your injection system pump.

The overall system is triggered by either a boost switch (aka - comes on at 'x' psi of boost) - or can be triggered by the MAF sensor voltage (aka - comes on at 'x' CFM of airflow).

My system takes it a bit further and is a progressive injection system. Instead of it being an 'all or nothing' type of system - mine will actually ramp-up the injection as needed. It reads the Mass Air voltage and adjusts water/methanol output accordingly. So basically, at a certain airflow I will have the pump running @ 10% capacity, but when the demand is higher it will increase to the full 100% capacity.

Last edited by logan03CO; 04-26-2013 at 11:41 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #188  
Old 04-26-2013
06RangerXLT's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halton Hills, Ont
Posts: 1,685
ah, very neat!

so how often do you go through one of those bottles?
Reply With Quote
  #189  
Old 04-26-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
so how often do you go through one of those bottles?
It really depends on all sorts of things (pump pressure, nozzle size, when you have it set to inject). On 'average', people have said the standard 3-quart tank will last around a tank of gasoline. So about three-quarters of a gallon of 'Boost Juice' per tank of gas - but it really depends, and can vary dramatically.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Performance
Q: How much range will a tank of Water/Methanol provide?
A: This depends on a number of variables. HP, injection system, settings, driving style, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #190  
Old 04-26-2013
06RangerXLT's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halton Hills, Ont
Posts: 1,685
sounds expensive!
Reply With Quote
  #191  
Old 04-26-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
sounds expensive!
Cheaper than a blown motor! LOL

But seriously, you could make your own mixture much cheaper - All sorts of ways of doing it.

I just like knowing it's done right.

Last edited by logan03CO; 04-26-2013 at 03:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #192  
Old 04-26-2013
morris's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (5)
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: South Detroit.
Posts: 7,833
I was wrong.... I knew the basis of the procedure, I saw them talk about it on trucks or another power block show
Reply With Quote
  #193  
Old 05-09-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Shifting gears back to one of my other truck adventures.


Jon @ Fearce Offroad is getting closer to shipping out my bumper.

Here are the pictures he sent me of the progress:




Attached Thumbnails
Project Budget Buster-bumperfabrication1_zps36b3a798.jpg   Project Budget Buster-bumperfabrication2_zps4a3c1203.jpg   Project Budget Buster-bumperfabrication3_zpsed4a8536.jpg   Project Budget Buster-bumperfabrication4_zpsf9b49b8b.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #194  
Old 05-09-2013
morris's Avatar
RF Veteran
iTrader: (5)
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: South Detroit.
Posts: 7,833
I think I missed it, how much was that? Looks great.
Reply With Quote
  #195  
Old 05-09-2013
06RangerXLT's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halton Hills, Ont
Posts: 1,685
why on earth would he wash bare steel o_0

it does look very nice
Reply With Quote
  #196  
Old 05-09-2013
01RangerEdge's Avatar
Scrambles the DeathDealer
iTrader: (11)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Jackson, MO
Posts: 7,598
I like that a lot. Is he custom making that or is that "off the shelf"

I might have to steal a similar design for mine
Reply With Quote
  #197  
Old 05-09-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by morris View Post
I think I missed it, how much was that? Looks great.
My setup was pretty pricey & probably not for everyone - but he listed some of the basic prices on his website: Fearce Offroad

While not as 'cheap' as some other companies, but I believe in the saying - 'You get what you pay for'. Every bumper is hand built and his attention to detail is top notch.

Jon has great customer service & just as great quality & craftsmanship.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 01RangerEdge View Post
I like that a lot. Is he custom making that or is that "off the shelf"
He custom makes every bumper. Quality laser cut steel parts of his own design.

I 'tweaked' a few things to suit what I was after. I went with an upgraded 1/4" thick center section with the 3/16" side 'wings'. I was also looking for the receiver hitch to be located behind the license plate so it could be 'hidden' when not in use & slightly thicker shackle mounts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 06RangerXLT View Post
it does look very nice
Thanks!


Can't wait to test fit everything once it gets here.

Then, once I reinforce the mounting on my N-Fab side steps (also not yet installed) - I'll have the bumper & side steps professional sprayed with a bed liner before the final assembly.

Last edited by logan03CO; 05-09-2013 at 01:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #198  
Old 05-09-2013
01RangerEdge's Avatar
Scrambles the DeathDealer
iTrader: (11)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Jackson, MO
Posts: 7,598
Sweet, I might have to go this route next year. Later this year I'm focused on the engine, next year this could be a possibility
Reply With Quote
  #199  
Old 05-09-2013
ranger4.0's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: cambridge, ontario
Posts: 3,922
this is one hell of a build! i am really looking forward to seeing that bumper on your truck
Reply With Quote
  #200  
Old 05-18-2013
logan03CO's Avatar
Member

Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,235
Little update.

I got my smaller 2.8" pulley installed on the supercharger in place of the standard 3.16" setup.

Attached Thumbnails
Project Budget Buster-img_20130518_084222_278_zps6da07034.jpg  

Last edited by logan03CO; 05-18-2013 at 11:06 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
project: budget trash trailer build SVT01RANGER Project Logs 4 12-15-2011 03:05 PM
New welder, cheap truck, and low budget t0x1k Fabrication & Tool Tech 18 09-17-2008 08:06 PM
Budget Ranger Build... 964X4 4.0L OHV & SOHC V6 Tech 4 09-15-2008 11:17 AM
Best budget amp? jtslmn720 Audio & Video Tech 10 01-07-2006 10:36 PM
Semi-Budget system is in! jrodhotrod Audio & Video Tech 15 09-13-2005 06:07 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:38 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.